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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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redfrog said:
You don't have any info about Safechuck's amended complaint? Did he even submit it?
If he didn't within the 15 days the case is automatically dismissed or he can get another chance?
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Yes he amended it. they won't let this go until the judge dismisses it.
 
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Goddess4Real said:
Thanks, but it's upsetting that this farce is still going on......and once again the media lap it up like pigs to mud, siding with :censored: Robson and his slimy lawyers.
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No one is paying this BS any attention. I did not see this until I came in here. I think most people do not care and can see through this nonsense. I still stand by once they bring out everything on Wade (even many media people aint buying this when Wade was on tv in 2013 and they sure do not care now on someone who testify UNDER OATH that MJ did nothing and this case was thrown out against MJ in 2015. I can careless about haters-why is anyone who is a hater of MJ following a man still who is dead and gone from this earth? I know, troublemakers who have nothing to do). I am not worried about this. this fool have been proven to be a liar and defended Jackson for years even in a court of LAW and is on tape talking great about MJ even years after death. Again, we love MJ and keep up on here and it bugs us; however, most people have moved on and will continue to love MJ in live, homes, car, business, schools, etc. With all this that has been going on since 2013 with Wade, MJ is still selling and LOVED. And right now, most people is focused on Trump, NOT Wade or the others. Notice mainsteam is not even talking about this no more, only tabloid.
 
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redfrog said:
AFTER already finding the shocking evidence ? :bored:
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These fools are a bunch of idiots I swear ????? sneddon went like all over the world practically , raided Neverland ranch , was on mjs ass for like nearly a decade and took mj to trial in 2005. Do they seriously think after all that shit sneddon wouldn't have found so called "shocking evidence " and showed in 2005?!!! PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEER THESE FOOLS GOT ME LIKE ????
 
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I just read this on vindicate MJ's website, does anyone know anything about this? This is news to me.

It is relevant to mention that the attorneys who represented MJ prior to Cochran did not recommend settlement and had filed a counterclaim against the Chandlers for extortion.

Plus, in 1993, there was also a pending civil suit and a counterclaim suit where MJ claimed extortion by the Chandlers.
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Did MJ indeed countersue for extortion? Is there any proof of this?
 
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^^ I don't have proof but I remember it. The DA declined to prosecute-something like that.
 
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Counter sueing doesnt involve the D.A. its civil not criminal offence

That recorded phonecall says it all
 
"Robson, who has worked for Britney Spears and N'Sync and appeared as a judge on "So You Think You Can Dance," is one of three plaintiffs making similar claims in related lawsuits against Jackson’s companies."

Apart from Robson and Safechuck, who's the other phoney?

Michael Jackson child sex syndicate trial date set - NY Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...ex-syndicate-trial-date-set-article-1.2996883
 
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Reading this again after all this time is so depressing. Mj will never get justice.the facts will never be known

No point acting as if the police were supposed to do this/do that as they were the ones instigating the witch hunt. They had no intrest in the truth just the chance of lynching mj and making a name for themselves.
 
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redfrog said:
You don't have any info about Safechuck's amended complaint? Did he even submit it?
If he didn't within the 15 days the case is automatically dismissed or he can get another chance?
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KOPV said:
they are fishing for shark in a lake of ducks
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elusive moonwalker said:
Reading this again after all this time is so depressing. Mj will never get justice.the facts will never be known

No point acting as if the police were supposed to do this/do that as they were the ones instigating the witch hunt. They had no intrest in the truth just the chance of lynching mj and making a name for themselves.
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Yuup and it happened after the LA riots and all the corruption that was going on there wit hthe LAPD and Judicial System in the 90s.
 
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theres more than just sworn evidence it Wade.. There's the fact he waved an MJ flag for 2 decades.. Went as far as dedicating his much of his work to Michael. talking nothing but positive things about him even when not asked..

He acted like nothing less than a fan in public and behind the scenes. Never showed others any signs of uncomfort which says a lot considering the industry that he's been In and how commonly it links to Michael.
 
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You need to stop wasting your time with some people as you cannot reason with stupidity. Some people will denie any fact regardless of what it is as it goes against their opinion that they have set in stone. They are not people with open minds who are willing to be educated open to change their mind when facts are shown to them. Some people need to be left to fester in their own S#$& and you will drive yourself mad
 
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This should not be happening. I am thinking the outcome will be positive for MJ, but the tabloids are still doing everything they can to drag his name through the mud. How hard is it to do a little research?
Seriously, how can anyone believe the crap he's spewing? And why do Robson and his people need 12 months to collect evidence?
 
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MJJ'slilgrl said:
And why do Robson and his people need 12 months to collect evidence?
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12 more months to defame MJ in the online and tabloid press. Plus an opportunity to take the time period almost to 25 years (a whole quarter century) since Michael (and now his poor departed soul) started to be dragged through the mud for money.
 
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myosotis said:
12 more months to defame MJ in the online and tabloid press. Plus an opportunity to take the time period almost to 25 years (a whole quarter century) since Michael (and now his poor departed soul) started to be dragged through the mud for money.
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Yuup another 12 months to make that $$$$$$$ while smearing his name....and then Plan B........ a slimy "tell-all book".
 
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Just think of how much tax payers money Wade is wasting with this legal dispute!
 
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myosotis said:
12 more months to defame MJ in the online and tabloid press. Plus an opportunity to take the time period almost to 25 years (a whole quarter century) since Michael (and now his poor departed soul) started to be dragged through the mud for money.
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KOPV said:
Just think of how much tax payers money Wade is wasting with this legal dispute!
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He is not thinking about that at all.....because he believes ultimately he will win big time! That is how delusional and confident he, his family and lawyers are.....with their bogus lawsuit and their muck raking tactics.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
You need to stop wasting your time with some people as you cannot reason with stupidity. Some people will denie any fact regardless of what it is as it goes against their opinion that they have set in stone. They are not people with open minds who are willing to be educated open to change their mind when facts are shown to them. Some people need to be left to fester in their own S#$& and you will drive yourself mad
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People like this know but they are filled with jealousy of MJ success so they are willing to want to believe what they want because they do not like MJ. look at the fools who want to believe President Obama was not an American even though it is on his birth certificate that he is American but haters (and Trump played on that bigotry) still want to believe the worst. People like this makes themselves look stupid.
 
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They don't and never have had any proof to back up their lewd and outlandish claims, so I've no idea what they plan to do in the next 12 months other then make up more paper thin lies.
*sighs heavily*
 
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to me the annoying part is the impact Wade has on the dance community... It's not the type of influence that I want within an industry that ties so closely to Michael and his legacy. Other dancers and choreographers believing his BS.. I know I have seen one choreographer who WAS a big MJ fan that believe this simply because he's known Wade for years.
 
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^ It's more so the industry that he's in.. It's true that not a large % would turn because of Wade, but it's still toxic waist in an industry that was hugely impacted by Michael
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
So to sum it up from the POV of this discussion: There WAS a civil complaint in the Francia case when MJ settled it - they only didn't file it. There WAS absolutely no civil complaint - not even Larry Feldman was hired yet - when MJ filed his extortion charges so any "negotiations" before that could not have been about civil suit settlement talks. It's absolutely proper to point that out.
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But just because someone doesn't have an actual lawsuit does not mean he cannot negotiate about settling a civil claim.

The Chandlers could say we wanted to avoid the cost and hassle of a lawsuit and a civil trial so we demanded that MJ pay damages right away but we would have gone to the police regardless of whether he had paid or not.
In fact this is what they want everyone to believe.

But this is totally contradicted by their admission that if MJ had paid they wouldn't have gone to the police.
Once they admitted that it cannot be anything but extortion.

MattyJam said:
I guess my concern with Robson is that, no matter what the outcome of this case, he is committed in becoming a "professional victim" and nothing will stop him.... in his own words "time for me to get mine."
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Agree. The thing is that those boys who knew MJ especially those who shared a bed with him may look at Chandler and Francia
and envy them. Hey he made 15 million out of the whole thing, or at least 1 million I can claim everything he claimed and could be rich myself. The temptation especially now that MJ cannot defend himself and the media always fully supports the accusers is
enormous. That's why the Arvizos were so mad that they got nothing out of the whole scheme. Star Arvizo's rant on facebook after MJ died revealed their state of mind. Robson Safechuck look at Chandler and Francia too and want what he got.


KOPV said:
I know I have seen one choreographer who WAS a big MJ fan that believe this simply because he's known Wade for years.
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Exactly which version of Wade's story does he believe? Did he even read his ever changing complaints?
BTW people like him is one reason why the Estate should go on the offensive and countersue this liar.
I'm sick of MJ always being on the defensive when there's so much evidence of his innocence.
My fear is that they will gather a bunch of incriminating evidence against Wade and after the case is over they won't share it,
won't use it in the media to prove Wade is a liar, won't sue him and Wade will go on smearing MJ everywhere while fans won't have all the ammunition to refute his lies.
 
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MattyJam said:
I guess my concern with Robson is that, no matter what the outcome of this case, he is committed in becoming a "professional victim" and nothing will stop him.... in his own words "time for me to get mine."



This say it all. This isn't about healing, this isn't about speaking his truth, it's about getting money and lots of it. And he will do it any way possible. If this case gets tossed out of court and he doesn't get a dime from MJ's estate, he will use his story to get money by other means, be it a book, or selling articles about his "ordeal" to the tabloids.



Unfortunately, Wade has severe delusions of grandeur, and thinks he is above working for a living. He is pissed off that despite his pushy stage mom and despite MJ telling him he would be the next Steven Speilberg, he still ended up under-achieveing. It caused him so much distress that he had a nervous breakdown, and he has now readjusted his goals to being financially set for life. He was a spoilt child and grew up into an adult who has an unrealistic view of his own self-worth.



But make no mistake, we won't hear the last of Wade until he has been paid, one way or another.
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A surprisingly relevant video.
 
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redfrog said:
But just because someone doesn't have an actual lawsuit does not mean he cannot negotiate about settling a civil claim.

The Chandlers could say we wanted to avoid the cost and hassle of a lawsuit and a civil trial so we demanded that MJ pay damages right away but we would have gone to the police regardless of whether he had paid or not.
In fact this is what they want everyone to believe.

But this is totally contradicted by their admission that if MJ had paid they wouldn't have gone to the police.
Once they admitted that it cannot be anything but extortion.



Agree. The thing is that those boys who knew MJ especially those who shared a bed with him may look at Chandler and Francia
and envy them. Hey he made 15 million out of the whole thing, or at least 1 million I can claim everything he claimed and could be rich myself. The temptation especially now that MJ cannot defend himself and the media always fully supports the accusers is
enormous. That's why the Arvizos were so mad that they got nothing out of the whole scheme. Star Arvizo's rant on facebook after MJ died revealed their state of mind. Robson Safechuck look at Chandler and Francia too and want what he got.




Exactly which version of Wade's story does he believe? Did he even read his ever changing complaints?
BTW people like him is one reason why the Estate should go on the offensive and countersue this liar.
I'm sick of MJ always being on the defensive when there's so much evidence of his innocence.
My fear is that they will gather a bunch of incriminating evidence against Wade and after the case is over they won't share it,
won't use it in the media to prove Wade is a liar, won't sue him and Wade will go on smearing MJ everywhere while fans won't have all the ammunition to refute his lies.
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you quoted me when it was respect who wrote the below

So to sum it up from the POV of this discussion: There WAS a civil complaint in the Francia case when MJ settled it - they only didn't file it. There WAS absolutely no civil complaint - not even Larry Feldman was hired yet - when MJ filed his extortion charges so any "negotiations" before that could not have been about civil suit settlement talks. It's absolutely proper to point that out.
 
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MattyJam said:
I guess my concern with Robson is that, no matter what the outcome of this case, he is committed in becoming a "professional victim" and nothing will stop him.... in his own words "time for me to get mine."



This say it all. This isn't about healing, this isn't about speaking his truth, it's about getting money and lots of it. And he will do it any way possible. If this case gets tossed out of court and he doesn't get a dime from MJ's estate, he will use his story to get money by other means, be it a book, or selling articles about his "ordeal" to the tabloids.



Unfortunately, Wade has severe delusions of grandeur, and thinks he is above working for a living. He is pissed off that despite his pushy stage mom and despite MJ telling him he would be the next Steven Speilberg, he still ended up under-achieveing. It caused him so much distress that he had a nervous breakdown, and he has now readjusted his goals to being financially set for life. He was a spoilt child and grew up into an adult who has an unrealistic view of his own self-worth.



But make no mistake, we won't hear the last of Wade until he has been paid, one way or another.
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I am worried about Wade. He an talk all he want. There is PLENTY of evidence that shows he is full of it. No one outside of TABLOID media (and even that is low considering how many there are) is not focusing on Wade. Even when he came out in 2013, he got more of a backlack than support other than from a few of MJ haters (what else do you expect from haters. A man been gone many years and some of them still following MJ around on news on Michael which sound like sick or trouble makers people with too much time on their hands). At the end of the day, Wade is a guy who defended MJ even after death (plenty of evidence) and now that the estate is making money, Wade and others want to hit the lottery. I MJ was alive, and this is what angers me, Wade an others would not be doing this.
 
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redfrog said:
Once I realize it's futile I forget about them but you can never know who is persuadable. Sometimes I ran into people who changed their mind once I showed the evidence. Sometimes I'm just curious what on earth they believe that makes them think MJ was guilty.
I met someone who believed MJ actually admitted molestation in the settlement document.
Someone who managed to discover an erection in MJ's home videos while he was playing with the Culkins.
Someone who said MJ was hiding an erection with a pillow on that photo where he and Emmanuel Lewis are on the bed.
(Phantom erection is solid proof!)
Someone who said they found child porn in Neverland AFTER MJ died.
Someone who said Riley saying she loved MJ means MJ molested her.
Someone who thought MJ went to Bahrain after 2005 because there child sex crimes are overlooked.
Someone who said MJ's nephews at that 3T photoshoot were 11 to 25 years old.
Someone who said of course they didn't show his child porn in the media! It's ILLEGAL! (Yes she used caps to emphasize that and still failed to realize that MJ was never charged for having this ILLEGAL stuff) :coockoo:

All kind of bullshit. If it wasn't tragic it would be funny.
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Red, see how stupid that person whom you met who think sound? None of that makes no sense. Stop wasting your time on someone like that. People like that usually have other motives for wanting to believe nonsense on Jackson. The good thing about life is that a person like that means NOTHING and can NOT hurt MJ no more. he/she can believe what they want, that does NOT make it true and we are living in world where some fools want to believe in nonsense all because it help them with their bigotry feeling towards that person. MJ did not live his life to suit some people and some people want to believe lies. Tell him or her to give your COURT CREDITABLE FACTS on MJ's case, NOT tabloid facts. He/she can not do it and will call you names or dismiss you because that is what who do not know NOTHING do. I have been blessed in this area because I have yet to run into anyone who thought MJ was guilty, I have run into on person who had questions and when I broke it down to her, she said that makes sense and she was glad to know because I used COURT papers, logic, and connections to the case in 1993 to show her (and the kind of work I use to do, she knew I would not be defended MJ if I seen where it was true.)
 
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I hope people are taking note
 
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respect77 said:
LMAO, Robson is back to teaching dance now.



https://www.facebook.com/waderobson...031464584700/1374815955872912/?type=3&theater

He also added a new "dance" section to his website: http://www.waderobsoncreations.com/dance/

I also like his self-description in the About section:



But I thought he could no longer do those things and he would never be able to do them again due these things being so associated with MJ to him. Not that I am surprised. I knew if money was running out he would miraculously "heal" from his inability to dance or do anything showbiz. I guess his intended career as a meditation teacher who would gain sympathy and clients through claiming to be a "child sexual abuse victim" didn't go according to plan either.
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And I hope the Estate have this so in court, this will be cross examine on what he said.
 
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