Evidence of Other Doctors in Michael Jackson's Death

[kasume]

^ In that longer interview I mentioned, he said he has been called up to testify at the trial. And he doesn't want to give out too much info right now (which is a very smart thing to do).

I'll post up the interview when I find it.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

thanks for that. thats good news that the DA has been intouch.could you post the exact question and reply from the dr does he say for example the DA has been in touch or does he say i will be a witness.

 

[StacyJ]

That TMZ article is insane. Did TMZ look at what was found in MJ's bedroom? The only thing found was sleeping aid pills, nothing there as far as self injecting. And I highly doubt Murray will find any credible, self-respecting doctor that will get on that stand and say they gave MJ propofol as a sleep aid.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

yeah these articles are easy to pick apart.when u first read them u go oh oh. but when u actually read them you can see all the holes from miles away

although i dont think its gonna be about getting a dr to say they gave it to him as a sleep aid. i think they are just gonna twist any visit mj made to a dr say like with kliens visits and try to imply he was going for his fix. the problem for murray is he will have to name names and it will be like 03-05 where u have mac and wade coming to testify.

unless he has actual witnesses willing to testify this will go no where and shouldnt be allowed by the judge as its total hearsay.

 

[StacyJ]

yeah these articles are easy to pick apart.when u first read them u go oh oh. but when u actually read them you can see all the holes from miles away

although i dont think its gonna be about getting a dr to say they gave it to him as a sleep aid. i think they are just gonna twist any visit mj made to a dr say like with kliens visits and try to imply he was going for his fix. the problem for murray is he will have to name names and it will be like 03-05 where u have mac and wade coming to testify.

But Murray was well aware that MJ had a previous addiction problem with painkillers. Michael publicly announced that in 1993. Murray also knew MJ had vitiligo and other pain issues, so Murray can't act dumb. Also if he gave his patient a physical, like he should have, he would've known how healthy or unhealthy his patient was. Murray told AEG's Randy Phillips, Ortega and Dileo that Michael was fine and healthy. So now he's going to change that? also if Murray tries to make MJ a drug addict then that means he was prescribing and administering to a drug addict which is a crime, so I don't think he wants to make MJ look like an addict. Murray knew MJ had propofol before that's why MJ was asking Murray for it. Murray should've said 'NO'.

 

[StacyJ]

Also Murray is still not off the hook for leaving his patient. Michael should not have been left alone in order to be self-injecting. You don't leave a person under anesthesia alone. Murray had no life saving equipment whatsoever

 

[smoothlugar]

Another doctor who will probably testify will be David Adams.

He treated Michael several times during 2008 for dental procedures and administered him propofol, according to his attorney.

Here's a video with Adams' attorney speaking and the article:
http://www.fox5vegas.com/video/20576216/index.html
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/20575780/detail.html

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I cannot believe TMZ said that about the self-pushing injections!!!:doh::doh:
I know they want big headlines but that's TOO MUCH. How heartless...!

I read on an article called "Death from propofol: Murder, suicide, accident?" that suicide was not possible because the maximum to be injectable was 200mg before the person fell asleep and that if death occured with that amount it was only due to cardio-respiratory depression and the like not properly attended in an operating room. Nothing to do with the actual case, since as we know the level of propofol found was much higher.

 

[StacyJ]

Another doctor who will probably testify will be David Adams.

He treated Michael several times during 2008 for dental procedures and administered him propofol, according to his attorney.

Here's a video with Adams' attorney speaking and the article:
http://www.fox5vegas.com/video/20576216/index.html
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/20575780/detail.html

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I cannot believe TMZ said that about the self-pushing injections!!!:doh::doh:
I know they want big headlines but that's TOO MUCH. How heartless...!

I read on an article called "Death from propofol: Murder, suicide, accident?" that suicide was not possible because the maximum to be injectable was 200mg before the person fell asleep and that if death occured with that amount it was only due to cardio-respiratory depression and the like not properly attended in an operating room. Nothing to do with the actual case, since as we know the level of propofol found was much higher.

David Adams will definitely be testifying I bet. Murray said he witnessed Adams administering propofol to MJ in a cosmetology office. Adams said Murray was lying. Murray also accused Cherilyn Lee of possibly giving MJ a 'propofol cocktail'. Lee said she didn't and didn't even know what propofol was until she looked it up in her PDR. Murray was trying to shift the blame and throwing everyone else under the bus, yet he was the only who gave it to MJ for non-medical purposes
.

 

[kasume]

he simply says he has been called to testify, or will testify when trial comes. "time and place for everything," he says.

also mentioned that michael REFUSED recieving drugs weaker than propofol without an anesthesiologist. And Michael was very into medicine and looked up on many things, asked many questions. He says Michael was very intelligent. he's says it's odd that a man like this would in just in two years become a self injecting drug addict. and he also witnessed Michael recieve propofol and can't match up what he saw to the june 25th story.

he also says he believes the idea that Murray did kill Michael on purpose is correct. and the conspiracy theories (of murder) makes a lot of sense.

one of the interviews. theres an episode with just him, but ill post that when i can find it, or if someone else is able to.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/a-place-in-your-heart/2010/10/15/dr-patrick-treacy-the-road-not-taken

 

[elusive moonwalker]

thanks kasume

 

[twinklEE]

Oh good, reading this bull makes me throw up, Murray should have a miserable ending.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

the only good thing about this is murrays lawyers are stupid enough to be telling the media what their defence will be so the pros can work around it.

also been doing some research on whether the pros can file motions to have evidence ruled as inadmissable like the defence can. and yes they can. so hopefully if murray goes down this route the pros will file a 352 motion

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Will Murray have other doctors testify?

after reading the tmz murray is obviously looking for drs who mj asked for diprivan. if a dr said no theres nothing on the dr interms of admitting he was asked to give it to him . the question is who. we have seen how he accused adams and Lee so i guess this might be a case of murray saying one thing and adams and lee testifying to another.then theres klien. who knows with him he could very well throw mj under a bus if he feels like it

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Will Murray have other doctors testify?

after reading the tmz murray is obviously looking for drs who mj asked for diprivan. if a dr said no theres nothing on the dr interms of admitting he was asked to give it to him . the question is who. we have seen how he accused adams and Lee so i guess this might be a case of murray saying one thing and adams and lee testifying to another.then theres klien. who knows with him he could very well throw mj under a bus if he feels like it

well if MJ asked and the doctor said No, that doesn't look good for Murray. That proves all the other doctors were credible and concerned and that Murray was reckless and didn't care. If the other doctors said we said 'no' because it wasn't safe and we knew it was dangerous, then folks will say well if the other doctors refused because of safety concerns why didn't Murray??

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Will Murray have other doctors testify?

well if MJ asked and the doctor said No, that doesn't look good for Murray.

u realise though what path murray is trying to go down by bringing up mj asking other drs. its not about making murrays look bad its about showing a pattern of mjs behaviour yes it may not help murray but it wont help mj either

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Will Murray have other doctors testify?

u realise though what path murray is trying to go down by bringing up mj asking other drs. its not about making murrays look bad its about showing a pattern of mjs behaviour yes it may not help murray but it wont help mj either

the judge shouldn't allow him to go down that path considering the other doctors aren't on trial. Murray is the one on trial for administering an overdose to MJ. If there were other doctors they didn't kill MJ, Murray did. Let's hope the judge sees it that way.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Will Murray have other doctors testify?

considering the other doctors aren't on tria

the drs would be witnesses to mjs behaviour. nothing to do with them being on trial. but theres the issue of whether the judge would allow it cause mj cant defend himself and also below that i found which would allow the pros to file an objection to stop the defence using such evidence

The court can exclude evidence if it is fits the criteria. A "352 objection" can be raised by either side with regard to any piece of evidence or issue. It's up to the judge to decide if the evidence's probative value is substantially outweighed by its prejudicial or misleading nature. If relevant and not otherwise excluded, it comes into evidence. If relevant, but unduly prejudicial, misleading, too time consuming, etc., a judge can still exclude it.

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Will Murray have other doctors testify?

the drs would be witnesses to mjs behaviour. nothing to do with them being on trial. but theres the issue of whether the judge would allow it cause mj cant defend himself and also below that i found which would allow the pros to file an objection to stop the defence using such evidence

The court can exclude evidence if it is fits the criteria. A "352 objection" can be raised by either side with regard to any piece of evidence or issue. It's up to the judge to decide if the evidence's probative value is substantially outweighed by its prejudicial or misleading nature. If relevant and not otherwise excluded, it comes into evidence. If relevant, but unduly prejudicial, misleading, too time consuming, etc., a judge can still exclude it.

My whole thing is Murray already knew MJ took it before because MJ probably told him he had it on his last tour. That still doesn't mean that Murray had to do it. Murray could've easily said 'Sorry Mr. Jackson, but that's too risky and I don't have any experience with it so I can't do it'. Murray never said that. According to Chernoff's lies Murray didn't know he would be dealing with that 'stuff propofol' until he was hired on. We all know that's a lie.

 

[Soundmind]

David Adams will definitely be testifying I bet. Murray said he witnessed Adams administering propofol to MJ in a cosmetology office. Adams said Murray was lying. Murray also accused Cherilyn Lee of possibly giving MJ a 'propofol cocktail'. Lee said she didn't and didn't even know what propofol was until she looked it up in her PDR. Murray was trying to shift the blame and throwing everyone else under the bus, yet he was the only who gave it to MJ for non-medical purposes

Adams will be a key prosecution witness , for that reason only Murray named him. Murray basically tried to spin what actually happened in Adams' clinic and made up a new set of fictional events to taint & counter attack what would be a very very damaging testimony from Adams. We now know how Murray is going to defend himself against Adams' bloody testimony , he knew Adams would come out once propofol declared the cause of death and what he said to Adams in that meeting in March would nail his ass.

Lee was also attacked in his statement to police investigators because he feared MJ could have mentioned him to her and tainting her was a priority. Remember MJ told her his doctor was telling him it was safe and ok, unfortunately MJ did not say Murray's name.

The prosecution will use Adams ,Lee and another doctor in Houston to prove Murray was not telling MJ it was dangerous, on the contrary he was telling him "allow me to do it and you will be safe" and it was MJ who was reluctant to use Murray without an expert.
Cheroff said his client was not aware of the trouble he was getting himself into and the "demands" would be made later by MJ when he took the job in May of 2009. Adams, Lee and that doctor from Houston will be key witnesses Murray was not only willing but encouraged MJ to go for it

 

[Justthefacts]

That TMZ story is just so stupid anyone who has been given Propofol before will tell you it burns and anyone who knew Michael would tell you he hated needles. So I hope Conrad Murray does say Michael did it himself I am more then sure the DA is ready for him

 

[Justthefacts]

ontop of ppl like mark lester and the irish dr. i guess this is the only defence they have. we have known for a while they will do this. its gonna get as nasty as feck

like to see who murray will call to the stand *yawn*guess all this is based on mjs trips to klein. u know the ones where he somtimes took his kids! funny how all of this is trying to push away the fact he was giving someone dip outside of a hospital seeing with no equipment and either spent 45 mins after injecting talking on the phone or even worse was sat talking on the phone while injecting him. hes guilty cause mj should have never been in a position to self inject in the first place.

nothing stated in medical boards about that. the mental addiction comes from the sensation of waking up and then re injecting an waking up again a few mins later. nothing what so ever to do with insomnia and i guess murrays has loads of presciption evidence of other drs prescribing diprivan to mj then! yeah thought not! if mj was so good at it why was murray hired!


uhh yes they are. or they have no evidence to say he did it ie no prescriptions showing mj had the stuff in his house but just want to put the theory out there into the jurrors heads.

and lets not even start with the A.R.

And this are they forgetting you can't prescribe propofol? There is no going to a drug store to bu it. All of the propofol they found in the house came from Murray and if he wants to say Michael was an addict then why are you given an addict his fix?

 

[Justthefacts]

Another doctor who will probably testify will be David Adams.

He treated Michael several times during 2008 for dental procedures and administered him propofol, according to his attorney.

Here's a video with Adams' attorney speaking and the article:
http://www.fox5vegas.com/video/20576216/index.html
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/20575780/detail.html

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I cannot believe TMZ said that about the self-pushing injections!!!:doh::doh:
I know they want big headlines but that's TOO MUCH. How heartless...!

I read on an article called "Death from propofol: Murder, suicide, accident?" that suicide was not possible because the maximum to be injectable was 200mg before the person fell asleep and that if death occured with that amount it was only due to cardio-respiratory depression and the like not properly attended in an operating room. Nothing to do with the actual case, since as we know the level of propofol found was much higher.

A friend of mine told me she talked to a nurse who works for a doctor who uses Propofol I can't think of what they are called. And he told her what you just said it takes 200 milligrams to put a person to sleep. 25 milligrams would not even make a person close there eyes. That fact alone is going to nail Murray,

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Will Murray have other doctors testify?

yes a total lie. he took the job cause he needed the money and no doubt told mj he was experienced to do it. imo mj hired murray for his offical role as a cardo but when they couldnt get a aneth.. murray said no problem i can do it. and thats why he wanted so much money cause he was doing two jobs. it was all about greed

 

[StacyJ]

A friend of mine told me she talked to a nurse who works for a doctor who uses Propofol I can't think of what they are called. And he told her what you just said it takes 200 milligrams to put a person to sleep. 25 milligrams would not even make a person close there eyes. That fact alone is going to nail Murray,

exactly.. Every anethesiologist has said that 25 mgs would do absolutely nothing yet according to Murray he gave MJ 25 mg after the other sedatives and MJ fell asleep. According to Murray he stood by MJ's side for 10 minutes and he was sleep, then he went to pee. Murray is liar.. 25 mgs didn't put MJ to sleep at all. I believe Murray had gave MJ 400 mgs and killed him earlier in the night by accident and tried to cover it up with the other benzos

 

[StacyJ]

And this are they forgetting you can't prescribe propofol? There is no going to a drug store to bu it. All of the propofol they found in the house came from Murray and if he wants to say Michael was an addict then why are you given an addict his fix?

Exactly it can't be prescribed to a patient that's why Murray had it shipped to himself to his girlfriend's house. More than likely Murray had a good relationship with Allied Pharmacy and they went ahead and sent it to him instead of to his medical practices. I can't wait to hear them testify too as to if they thought it was odd that Murray was shipping propofol to a home address, even though it's not illegal.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

exactly.. Every anethesiologist has said that 25 mgs would do absolutely nothing yet according to Murray he gave MJ 25 mg after the other sedatives and MJ fell asleep.

would such a level work with all the benzos ontop though?

 

[smoothlugar]

The same as without the propofol.

 

[StacyJ]

I would think the benzos would make it worse considering they alone suppresses the respiratory system. That's why the coroner mentioned the benzo effect for the cause of death with the propofol intoxication. Murray gave MJ benzo after benzo for hours and then topped it off with propofol. What the hell did he think would happen? And then he left MJ alone not even monitoring his breathing

 

[Ramona122003]

I would think the benzos would make it worse considering they alone suppresses the respiratory system. That's why the coroner mentioned the benzo effect for the cause of death with the propofol intoxication. Murray gave MJ benzo after benzo for hours and then topped it off with propofol. What the hell did he think would happen? And then he left MJ alone not even monitoring his breathing

The other benzos are a none factor since they played no part in Michael's death. Only the Lopz was named along with propofol as the cause of death. So, it really doesn't matter if Murray gave him benzo after benzo. The main focus is the propofol and the lopz.

Even if they say Michael self injected, it still begs the question from Murray to why he left the room to begin with. As a doctor, when is it every okay to leave a patient who is hooked up on sedatives? That is a question Murray has to answer and him saying, 'I had to pee', won't cut it. Especially since he had time to make phone calls out of the room.

He must also answer why he gave Michael propofol to begin with as well. If he knew of the dangers, why did the go through with it without the proper equipment? I was just doing my job, won't cut it either.

So, the whole Michael self injected line won't work because Murray had no business putting a patient in a situation where they could self inject. Especially if Murray thought Michael had a bad history with the drug. That is like letting a person with a painkiller addiction have control of their morphine drip.

 

[StacyJ]

The other benzos are a none factor since they played no part in Michael's death. Only the Lopz was named along with propofol as the cause of death. So, it really doesn't matter if Murray gave him benzo after benzo. The main focus is the propofol and the lopz.

Even if they say Michael self injected, it still begs the question from Murray to why he left the room to begin with. As a doctor, when is it every okay to leave a patient who is hooked up on sedatives? That is a question Murray has to answer and him saying, 'I had to pee', won't cut it. Especially since he had time to make phone calls out of the room.

He must also answer why he gave Michael propofol to begin with as well. If he knew of the dangers, why did the go through with it without the proper equipment? I was just doing my job, won't cut it either.

So, the whole Michael self injected line won't work because Murray had no business putting a patient in a situation where they could self inject. Especially if Murray thought Michael had a bad history with the drug. That is like letting a person with a painkiller addiction have control of their morphine drip.

Exactly! he's saying he was trying to 'wean' MJ off of propofol because he thought he was becoming addicted yet he left him hooked up to it and left him alone? what since does that make? and his whole weaning him off doesn't make sense because he was the only one supplying it. If he didn't supply it, he wouldn't need to wean him off.

In reality Murray has no defense, but his lawyers will twist, turn and lie to try and get him off. Hopefully the jury will see it and also realize that Murray is a doctor and has an obligation to do no harm to his patient, and he did the ultimate which was cause MJ's death.