Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael"/ Excerpt @pg151/New Interview Post 3743

[Loveliness]

There's no general consensus between fans, as we're all different people. Personally, I can't stand tell-alls about a person after their death, because the person in question has no say in refuting it or offering further explanation. Given his premature death, and his desire for privacy, we'll never know all there is to know about Michael Jackson — some people really need to come to terms with that. Nor do we deserve to know everything about him. And it should be that way, after-all, we don't need know everything about our dentists for example. Why do we feel we should know everything about an entertainers personal life? To dissect his work is fair game, and I support Vogel's book for that reason. But the man's naked corpse was displayed on morning television, I feel he's been feasted on enough. When will people be satisfied, when will enough be enough? I'd like for the man to have some dignity and privacy left, as I would for any decent human being. The book's not out, so I won't judge it, but right now I'm not feeling good about what's being divulged.

 

[That Other Fan]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Not everyone lives in that kind of black and white, 'you're either with me or against me' world. There's a hole lot of grey out there.

Not when they've said essentially the same thing.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

So I see Frank finally provided you guys with the hook for his book. Are those of you who were super excited about buying the still excited and cannot wait to get it into your hands.

 

[Alayasha]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

The way Cascio describes Michael in that 20/20 article is the description of an addict or someone extremely naive and ignorant. He speaks about doctors prescribing meds simply because they knew they would be paid. I thought the DEA investigated doctors and found nothing to support the over-prescribing, doctor shopping claims. I guess this fact will be ignored like the FBI files are disregarded. I ask of Cascio the same thing I ask of the Jackson's regarding this matter, did he attempt to remove the children from the environment if/when their father was overly medicated? Did he name the doctors in question, perhaps give names to the DEA and attorney general? If not, he's just gossiping for money. Michael isn't here to be tormented by this invasion of his privacy; however, his children have the rest of their lives to be bothered by this mess. Publicly it seems that none of the adults have the childrens well being in the forefront.

 

[Resa]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I'm gonna get bashed for this, but having read the last few pages....

You CANNOT have it both ways (and that's exactly what I've seen some do...again SOME)

You can't have disdain for the Jacksons, but in the same breath defend Frank and/or give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially when BOTH have essentially said the same thing. Mike had an issue and they tried to intervene.

I agree, as I said on another board it would be hypocritical of me to be mad about what Tito and Rebbie said this week, but give Frank a pass when he said pretty much the same thing. Honestly, I think that they should all be quiet at least until after the verdict.

 

[love is magical]

You can't have disdain for the Jacksons, but in the same breath defend Frank and/or give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially when BOTH have essentially said the same thing. Mike had an issue and they tried to intervene.

You are right. I watched 20/20 last night. Frank said he warned Michael about his drug use and took drugs out of Michael's room. He made it sound like he "intervened". So, what he said is essestially the same as what the Jackson said.@Alayasha, good point. The way Frank described the "bad" doctors, he made it sound like the doctors were all starstruck and would do whatever to please the biggest star on Earth. Because of the Murray trial, the DEA had conducted investigation and did not find any wrongdoings.

 

[Arklove]

There's no general consensus between fans, as we're all different people. Personally, I can't stand tell-alls about a person after their death, because the person in question has no say in refuting it or offering further explanation. Given his premature death, and his desire for privacy, we'll never know all there is to know about Michael Jackson — some people really need to come to terms with that. Nor do we deserve to know everything about him. And it should be that way, after-all, we don't need know everything about our dentists for example. Why do we feel we should know everything about an entertainers personal life? To dissect his work is fair game, and I support Vogel's book for that reason. But the man's naked corpse was displayed on morning television, I feel he's been feasted on enough. When will people be satisfied, when will enough be enough? I'd like for the man to have some dignity and privacy left, as I would for any decent human being. The book's not out, so I won't judge it, but right now I'm not feeling good about what's being divulged.

This...

What it all boils down to is this man's privacy...I don't care who it is, or how long they've known Michael...I don't care WHAT they know about him and how much they want to divulge for a bit of cash....People who claim to be Michael's friend, who have been with him through thick and thin, THEY are the ones who have that power to give Michael what he never, EVER had...Privacy....Yes, he was a public figure...yes, he's revealed things about himself on interviews and what not...But that was when he was alive, when Michael himself was the one who could have some control over what the world knew about him....

These so called friends need to cherish the friendship they had with this wonderful human being....Positive information or not, Michael deserves some privacy and dignity....Why can't he have that?

After all, he's given us, the fans, the public as much as he possibly could....He gave his VERY LIFE to the public...Let's leave him alone...FINALLY...

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I'm gonna get bashed for this, but having read the last few pages....

You CANNOT have it both ways (and that's exactly what I've seen some do...again SOME)

You can't have disdain for the Jacksons, but in the same breath defend Frank and/or give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially when BOTH have essentially said the same thing. Mike had an issue and they tried to intervene.

Not everyone lives in that kind of black and white, 'you're either with me or against me' world. There's a hole lot of grey out there.

Not when they've said essentially the same thing.

first of all not all Jacksons say the same thing. According to Jermaine Michael wasn't an addict. Other Jacksons called him an addict and Katherine said she didn't see any problems and was told.

Also there's a difference - as we established - between being addicted to hard drugs (as Rebbie and Tito claimed), reporting alleged Heroin to the cops (as Latoya did) or having a need / dependency for prescription drugs for legitimate medical reasons (such as back pain due to bridge fall). There's also a huge difference as portraying him as being in denial or saying that some bad doctors took advantage of him.

Like Pace said it's not as clean cut as you portray it to be, it's a whole a lot of gray.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Never had any plans to buy this book...

Absolutely not surprised....

Nice friends, real nice...

I never intended to buy it either. I thought those who were buying it would enjoy it, because some members were contacting Frank and saying he was going to do a job fans would like. Well I am not disappointed, because it shows what we have said all along--that Michael had few true friends.

To me, if Frank knew all the pain Michael went through because of others, he should know how the media and people will twist this information to suit their purpose. Now we see that some members of Michael's family and Frank have some things in common. I wonder how much Frank has made from using Michael throughout his life?

Has fans tweeted Frank yet about this bit of betrayal.

 

[That Other Fan]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

first of all not all Jackson say the same thing. According to Jermaine Michael wasn't an addict. Other Jacksons called him an addict and Katherine said she didn't see any problems and was told.

Also there's a difference - as we established - between being addicted to hard drugs (as Rebbie and Tito claimed), reporting alleged Heroin to the cops (as Latoya did) or having a need / dependency for prescription drugs for legitimate medical reasons (such as back pain due to bridge fall). There's also a huge difference as portraying him as being in denial or saying that some bad doctors took advantage of him.

Like Pace said it's not as clean cut as you portray it to be, it's a whole a lot of gray.

You're arguing about terminology when the fact remains members of the family and Frank have said the same the thing.

Mike had a problem, they tried to intervene.

You can't have a problem with one saying it, and not have a problem with the other saying it.

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

You're arguing about terminology when the fact remains members of the family and Frank have said the same the thing.

Mike had a problem, they tried to intervene.

You can't have a problem with one saying it, and not have a problem with the other saying it.

read the last few pages for the word of dependency and addiction , read the case forums for the same issue as well. "terminology" is important. if you go back and read my first post today I wrote that I'm not happy with Frank using the word "addict" as well. so I "have a problem with it" too.

and sorry saying a person had a legitimate need for a medicine and some doctors used his trust versus saying that he was addicted to hard drugs and was in denial aren't the same thing in my book.

I can pretty much have a problem with how they are saying it. I had a problem - and many people did as well - when Jackson's went to TV to talk about interventions and made him sound like a recent addict when the interventions were years ago. I can have a problem when people do not specify the drug they are talking about and make it sound like recreational drugs by the use of "hard drugs". I can also have a problem if they sound it like he was an addict for decades. Sorry how you say it makes a huge difference.

 

[love is magical]

There's also a huge difference as portraying him as being in denial or saying that some bad doctors took advantage of him.

I'm sure you are more knowledgeable in this than I. If Frank was aware of doctors practicing unethical medicines, could he report to the DEA and/or state medical board?Instead of complaining about "bad" doctors on national TV, he should have reported them. Or, is that not an option.

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I'm sure you are more knowledgeable in this than I. If Frank was aware of doctors practicing unethical medicines, could he report to the DEA and/or state medical board?Instead of complaining about "bad" doctors on national TV, he should have reported them. Or, is that not an option.

how would he able to do that by not disclosing the patient - Michael?

think like this :

murray didn't go around giving people anesthesia in their rooms. He gave Michael Propofol in his room because he was to paid $150,000. Sure you can perhaps blow the whistle but you can't do it without involving Michael and making it public knowledge.

 

[That Other Fan]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

read the last few pages for the word of dependency and addiction , read the case forums for the same issue as well. "terminology" is important. if you go back and read my first post today I wrote that I'm not happy with Frank using the word "addict" as well. so I "have a problem with it" too.

and sorry saying a person had a legitimate need for a medicine and some doctors used his trust versus saying that he was addicted to hard drugs and was in denial aren't the same thing in my book.

I can pretty much have a problem with how they are saying it. I had a problem - and many people did as well - when Jackson's went to TV to talk about interventions and made him sound like a recent addict when the interventions were years ago. I can have a problem when people do not specify the drug they are talking about and make it sound like recreational drugs by the use of "hard drugs". I can also have a problem if they sound it like he was an addict for decades. Sorry how you say it makes a huge difference.

Again, you are making it about terminology when in fact they have said the same thing.

BOTH have basically called him an addict, BOTH have stated or insinuated he was in denial, BOTH have stated or insinuated he had enablers, and BOTH have claimed to attempt intervening with out giving specific dates.

You CANNOT have it both ways.

 

[Rhilo]

There's no general consensus between fans, as we're all different people. Personally, I can't stand tell-alls about a person after their death, because the person in question has no say in refuting it or offering further explanation. Given his premature death, and his desire for privacy, we'll never know all there is to know about Michael Jackson — some people really need to come to terms with that. Nor do we deserve to know everything about him. And it should be that way, after-all, we don't need know everything about our dentists for example. Why do we feel we should know everything about an entertainers personal life? To dissect his work is fair game, and I support Vogel's book for that reason. But the man's naked corpse was displayed on morning television, I feel he's been feasted on enough. When will people be satisfied, when will enough be enough? I'd like for the man to have some dignity and privacy left, as I would for any decent human being. The book's not out, so I won't judge it, but right now I'm not feeling good about what's being divulged.

QFT.


If these people cared about Michael, they'd at least keep their damn pie holes shut at this crucial time when the Jury is in the process of deliberating a verdict. No way are all those jurors completely oblivious to media reportings of Michael, despite being told to avoid all news concerning Michael and the trial.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

^^ivy, but isn't he making it public knowledge and disclosing the patient identity now by going to 20/20? Or, are you saying he can't be a whistle blower after Michael's death?

Like Alashaya mentioned, what Frank said isn't that much different than gossip if he withheld identity of the bad docs.

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Again, you are making it about terminology when in fact they have said the same thing.

BOTH have basically called him an addict, BOTH have stated or insinuated he was in denial, BOTH have stated or insinuated he had enablers, and BOTH have claimed to attempt intervening with out giving specific dates.

You CANNOT have it both ways.

okay let's clarify this. for example : are you saying to me that you'll have no problem with me writing you in a nice way or writing to you in cursing as long as they have the both same meaning?

face it : how you say it makes a difference

 

[That Other Fan]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

okay let's clarify this. for example : are you saying to me that you'll have no problem with me writing you in a nice way or writing to you in cursing as long as they have the both same meaning?

face it : how you say it makes a difference

No, it does it not.

Do you realize you are defending/arguing terminology?

THAT'S what makes it okay for Frank to say the SAME THING as that members of the Jacksons have said?

Terminology?

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

^^ivy, but isn't he making it public knowledge and disclosing the patient identity now by going to 20/20? Or, are you saying he can't be a whistle blower after Michael's death?

Like Alashaya mentioned, what Frank said isn't that much different than gossip if he withheld identity of the bad docs.

I got your question as when he was alive. After his death 7 doctors were investigated. Also as I repeated multiple times on this board on multiple threads making allegations - without solid proof - is defamation. Why doesn't Jackson's never name the "they" killed Michael? Yep defamation. It's not without consequence to go on national TV and accuse people of illegal acts. You might call it "gossip" , I'll call it the reality of the legal rules.

and as I said before I really do not think it's making it public knowledge anymore. The trial - I have screenshots of 36 pages of Klein's records. I know when he saw him and how much demerol he was given. I even know he got botox shots in groin. I know from Metzger that MJ had chronic back pain and he went to a pain management center. We have 40 gallons of Propofol. Murray's defense quoted Grace's police interview. They mentioned Ratner, they mentioned doctors in Germany. Karen Faye said Michael told her in 2001 30th anniversary "doctor gave him too much".

What did he say that wasn't already known? What do you classify as "making public knowledge"?

 

[missred07]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

read the last few pages for the word of dependency and addiction , read the case forums for the same issue as well. "terminology" is important. if you go back and read my first post today I wrote that I'm not happy with Frank using the word "addict" as well. so I "have a problem with it" too.

and sorry saying a person had a legitimate need for a medicine and some doctors used his trust versus saying that he was addicted to hard drugs and was in denial aren't the same thing in my book.

I can pretty much have a problem with how they are saying it. I had a problem - and many people did as well - when Jackson's went to TV to talk about interventions and made him sound like a recent addict when the interventions were years ago. I can have a problem when people do not specify the drug they are talking about and make it sound like recreational drugs by the use of "hard drugs". I can also have a problem if they sound it like he was an addict for decades. Sorry how you say it makes a huge difference.

Honestly, Although, I think people should give Frank a change to clarify what he mean, I have to agree with others on many points. The way Frank said in 20/20 do sound like MJ was an drug addict and he actually back up Jacksons stories. He said the J family tried to intervene. and he also said that he tried to hide drugs because he is afraid of something would happened. He also said that there are bad doctor will give MJ drugs for money. All these sounds exactly like what the Jackson family said before that there are all these yes man doctors who provide drugs to MJ. The only problem might be most the Jacksons might get all the info by hearsay. However, what Frank said in the interview do kind of support the jackson's in denial theory. He even said that MJ is pissed about he mentioned Elvis' death.

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

No, it does it not.

copied from google.

That's one way of doing it. Another is to .... versus You are wrong. I am right.
I don't think you understand versus you are a moron
(in southern US states) Bless your heart versus you are an idiot


yep : it makes a difference

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edit : let me guess the answer.

" you are arguing terminology. you can't have it both ways" said 1,456,976 th time.

 

[That Other Fan]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

copied from google.

That's one way of doing it. Another is to .... versus You are wrong. I am right.
I don't think you understand versus you are a moron
(in southern US states) Bless your heart versus you are an idiot

yep : it makes a difference

No, it doesn't.

Because no matter the terminology/phrasing both said the said thing. Nothing changes that.

So again...you can not have it both ways, no matter what semantics you use to try to distract from the same thing being said by both parties.

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

QFT.


If these people cared about Michael, they'd at least keep their damn pie holes shut at this crucial time when the Jury is in the process of deliberating a verdict. No way are all those jurors completely oblivious to media reportings of Michael, despite being told to avoid all news concerning Michael and's the trial.

I agree. I always said that these people's talking about Michael being an addict just might get back to the jurors' ears despite the judge's efforts to keep them from being influenced. And it could go a long way in getting Murray acquitted. These people trashing Michael's memory isn't helping those jurors. Because who's to say for sure that they are not hearing what is being said? This is just my opinion.

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

edit : let me guess the answer.

" you are arguing terminology. you can't have it both ways" said 1,456,976 th time.

No, it doesn't.

Because no matter the terminology/phrasing both said the said thing. Nothing changes that.

So again...you can not have it both ways, no matter what semantics you use to try to distract from the same thing being said by both parties.

I already called it. I'll end it here respectfully saying I totally don't agree.

because I'm tempted to respond you in cursing and see you go around complaining about it and make my point that how you say matters. but I'll be the bigger one here.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

The good I see from this 2nd Casio controversy, is that many fans will now be careful in buying products after Michael's death. Simply because Michael knew someone, it does not mean their product about him will have his best interest at heart.

We are the ones who are the buyers, so we should look at products more carefully before we pre-order. I think we have to be super cautious because there will be many coming out to make money from us by using their friendship with Michael. Obviously, Frank wrote this book so that fans will buy it and he could make some money from his relationship from Michael, and it worked, because many of you wrote that you rather hear stories from someone who Michael spent a lot of time with!!!

This book, according to many, was supposed to set the record straight about Michael. Well it seems it is going to, because the record of Michael is that he was an addict when he died. At least according to Velez, so Frank helped her out there. He set the record straight.

Now I think it was clever to have the book come out in November right after the trial so that they could mesh the addict talk in the trial with the addict talk in the book. Everyone knew the defense would bring up drug use, so I do not think this hook and the publication of the book is a coincidence. Remember publishers like some dirt in order to publish a book, and the dirt Frank offered was addiction. Jermaine's was "the plan."

For those who say this was not planned because the trial was postponed, it still does not matter because everyone knew the defense would bring in addiction.

 

[That Other Fan]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I already called it. I'll end it here respectfully saying I totally don't agree.

because I'm tempted to respond you in cursing and see you go around complaining about it and make my point that how you say matters. but I'll be the bigger one here.

I'll end it by saying you CANNOT have it both ways.

...and yes you are still arguing terminology. ;D

 

[Alayasha]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Ivy I understand your position about defamation. My point is, why tell the story? If he, or the Jackson's are concerned about defamation why not tell the whole story or just shut up? The words doctors is vague, especially considering the number of doctors involved in this. Its open to interpretation and unfair speculation about professionals who may not deserve the scrutiny. Also, is it really defamation if what Cascio claims he knows/witnessed is true? If he witnessed a doctor prescribing unnecessary meds because he was starstruck that's not speculation. He may not have done anything then; however, if he isn't willing to alert authorities and/or name names in an effort to help others why tell a half-assed version of the story if its not gossiping for money? Also, I agree there is a psychological difference between addiction and dependence. Reading those lines about Michael being given whatever med he asked for to me reads like someone who is an addict. Whatever the issue, it doesn't seem as if Frank Cascio or the Jackson's are knowledgeable enough to give it the attention and understanding it deserves so they should just stop talking about it.

 

[bluetopez]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

So now the problem is how the Jacksons word it Vs. how Frank words it. lmao That didn't seem to be a problem for Frank when he supported the Jacksons claims on 20/20 now did it?

I don't remember him once clearing up their words at all, only supporting their claims and agreeing with them.

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

for your enjoyment

InSession's exclusive interview with #MichaelJackson's former dermatologist Dr. Arnold will air Monday morning on @truTV 9AM Monday!

Klein says Jackson was "totally addicted to propofol," and over the years, Jackson had other doctors administer propofol to him. Klein alleges he was involved in three interventions.

I guess I need start a thread about it but where.

 

[bluetopez]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

^Won't they just all do an interview together holding hands and throwing MJ under the bus for the media's enjoyment?!