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frank dileo now on the atv board

Thank You dirtydiana 27!

I have read very similar comments as yours all over the internet, especially after Michael being murdered.
 
Moddie777 said:
riviera1992 said:
Moddie, Now you're catching on. You "rolled eyes" at me when I mentioned the "I" word and conspiracy.




Hi riviera1992, I don't understand your post? I don't knowingly roll eyes at people on this board. I have only tried to use those emoticons maybe twice and one time I goofed and put the smiley face in the WRong place, so I never went back to using them, not ever since then and that was a very very long time ago.

I am not sure of what you are talking about?

As for catching on? I've been on the train about conspiracy and planned murder since day 1, so again not so sure what you are saying?

Thanks for that article!
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Moddie, please accept my sincere apology, it was a name similar to yours. Sorry.
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Moddie777 said:
Exactly my point of view as well! It is a known fact in the Entertainment Industry, Sony had been trying to Force MJ to sell. However, I do recall reading something online very similar to what elusive posted about that 25% share, I always questioned rather or not that was true or something "planted"?
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Here

Michael Jackson said” I want to clarify a silly rumor– that Beatles catalog is not for sale, has not been for sale, and will never be for sale”
 
Without Frank, the Bad Tour would be too much for Michael to handle himself. Frank made sure that Michael was always happy during the tour.

He also made sure that Moonwalker actually happened!!!

In my opinion, he is a good guy!!!
 
Krshna28 said:
Without Frank, the Bad Tour would be too much for Michael to handle himself. Frank made sure that Michael was always happy during the tour.

He also made sure that Moonwalker actually happened!!!

In my opinion, he is a good guy!!!
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But Krshna - that was the 80s. It's his more recent behavior that troubles me. I've noted a list of inconsistencies between what Frank said in the Raffles interview and past statements. I don't think Frank was "back" because Michael wanted him. Michael said he would never hire Frank back (and I believe Michael). He was hired by AEG IMO. Observation: Frank is on the SONY Board, Branca's firm represents SONY, Branca has this 2002 Will of Michael's, and he is the Executor--coincidence?
 
everything sounds and feels real suspect beyond logic and it seems many hands were in on MJ being taken out.
 
Gaiaschild said:
When did sony have a chance to buy the catelogue back? From what I've read,and the speech Michael made against Sony, I don't see that Michael would have sold that catelogue to Sony. I think that financial circumstances were created to try and force him to sell it but he didn't
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when mj refinanced a few years back the docs were made public and read/studied by ppl on other boards and prob this one they had a chance to buy 25% of the cat upto a certain date. cant remember if this was only if mj defaulted on the loan or was just generally. the option lasted a year or so.
 
which administers the Sony/ATV music catalog it owns with the Jackson estate, is said to be preparing a bid to buy it out entirely. Sony would not comment.
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considering the state of the industry i doubt they can afford to buy it out.branca said a while back itwas not for sale. if that changes then ill wonder but until then theres no evidence to support such claims
 
yeah when Fortress bought the loan from Bank Of America and mj defaulted on it , Sony sent its representatives to Dubai along with people from Citibank to negotiate a new deal with him , MJ signed a deal with them , he would receive 10 millions only of his profits from his share in the Sony/ATV and the rest which was close to 60 or 70 millions would go to pay the loan, according to that plan mj would have been able to pay his debt completely by the end of 2011 , Sony secured the loan , Sony was guaranteed a more board authority to take decisions , and an offer to buy half of mj's share regardless whether he defaulted on the loan or not , the offer lasted one year only . They did not buy anything . They thought it was better for the company to pay for other catalouges that were available in the market , they got what they want, they were able to make decisions , and MJ's got full control over his share one year later .

MJ's share was estimated to be 1.5 billions in late 2007 , sony felt if they invetsed in other catalouges it would have been more profitable in the long run , that's was very true ,Sony/ATV became in a matter of two years one of the best three companies in the business . It was a very wise decision at the time .

so for those who say Sony wanted mj dead so they would take his catalouge from him, they did have a golden opportunity in 2007 , they bailed him in 2007 . not everyone there was Tommy mottola .
 
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Krshna28 said:
Without Frank, the Bad Tour would be too much for Michael to handle himself. Frank made sure that Michael was always happy during the tour.

He also made sure that Moonwalker actually happened!!!

In my opinion, he is a good guy!!!
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:scratch: Wasn't Frank unable to get Moonwalker in U.S. Theaters? I remember seeing an interview where he was saying he didn't like the deal they were offering and rejected it. I know its a bit OT; but does anybody have any info on that?

dirtydiana27 said:
Michael said he would never hire Frank back (and I believe Michael).
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When did Mike say this? I have heard he said Frank was too controlling and that's why he was fired.
 
To me what matters (in terms of the topic of the thread, and questions), is WHEN Frank went on the ATV board; did Michael KNOW about it, and in what capacity and to protect whose interests was he/is he on the board? .

Other questions would be, WHO is paying Frank's salary, and for what tasks? And when did he begin to be paid by whoever is paying him? Is he paid by the estate? By AEG? By Sony? We don't know. . . . .

I don't think we know yet the answers to these questions, with any certainty.
 
MJJ:G.O.A.T said:
:scratch: Wasn't Frank unable to get Moonwalker in U.S. Theaters? I remember seeing an interview where he was saying he didn't like the deal they were offering and rejected it. I know its a bit OT; but does anybody have any info on that?



When did Mike say this? I have heard he said Frank was too controlling and that's why he was fired.
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You know MJJ, I heard it last summer (one of the interviews with Joe maybe, who said Michael told him this)--anyways I have it in my DiLeo notes. I know that he said this about Branca. You're right--Frank was fired before for making deals that Michael did not approve-like the Allgood (Reunion) thing--supposedly he signed 2 contracts in Nov. 2008--he wasn't back then. My question is he and Branca brought back within a couple months of his death--by Michael or someone else?

Victoria83 said:
To me what matters (in terms of the topic of the thread, and questions), is WHEN Frank went on the ATV board; did Michael KNOW about it, and in what capacity and to protect whose interests was he/is he on the board? .

Other questions would be, WHO is paying Frank's salary, and for what tasks? And when did he begin to be paid by whoever is paying him? Is he paid by the estate? By AEG? By Sony? We don't know. . . . .

I don't think we know yet the answers to these questions, with any certainty.
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Great questions Victoria--I sure would like to know the answers too. Rowe was fired in May, 2009, so just a guess--but this would be when Frank replaced Rowe on the SONY Board, but did Michael know???? The rest of your questions are also mine--we have no proof as to the answers to any of them--merely speculation. I sure would like to see Frank's contract-- I believe it was with AEG. In Michael's letter to Rowe in May, this is the last line "With respect to my touring matters, please feel free to contact Frank DiLeo or Randy Phillip (sic) of AEG."
 
Rowe was not placed on the sony board at all, It was Katherine who was appointed as a trustee , but with little to no authorities whatever . I believe MJ held some position also at some point , he got a salary for doing some paperwork . Frank was appointed after MJ died by the estate .
 
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report about frank being on the board came out b4 june 25th.frank replaced raymone bain on the board after she was fired/lawsuits etc she filed
 
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ou're right--Frank was fired before for making deals that Michael did not approve-like the Allgood (Reunion) thing--supposedly he signed 2 contracts in Nov. 2008--he wasn't back then. My question is he and Branca brought back within a couple months of his death--by Michael or someone else?
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frank didnt sign any contrats. he singed a deal with allgood where he would be used as a middle man. he would ask mj etc to take part.he was given a certain period of time to get them to sign if mj agreed dileo got paid. no one agreed the time scale ran out and nothing happened. frank was back with mj for a long time unoffically.its not like he just came back in june. they had been spending weekends together in vegas and L.A going back through 08. mj asked him to come back offically early 09
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
frank didnt sign any contrats. he singed a deal with allgood where he would be used as a middle man. he would ask mj etc to take part.he was given a certain period of time to get them to sign if mj agreed dileo got paid. no one agreed the time scale ran out and nothing happened. frank was back with mj for a long time unoffically.its not like he just came back in june. they had been spending weekends together in vegas and L.A going back through 08. mj asked him to come back offically early 09
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You may be referring to the proposal drafted in an attempt to locate sponsors to fund the project. But Frank did sign 2 Agreements, Contracts whichever you would like to call them--they are legally essentially the same, between AllGood and Frank: 1. Nov. 26, 2008-confidentiality and non-disclosure with regard to the reunion concert-and it's signed by about 6 parties including Frank and the term is for 18 months; and 2. Nov. 25, 2008 spelling out the terms--90 minute performance by MJ, etc. This dispute between Allgood and Frank is currently being litigated. If I recall correctly, the information you have provided is what Frank said in the Raffles interview. IMO Frank was not back before Michael fired Rowe in May, and I still question whether or not Michael himself brought him back.
 
dirtydiana27 said:
You may be referring to the proposal drafted in an attempt to locate sponsors to fund the project. But Frank did sign 2 Agreements, Contracts whichever you would like to call them--they are legally essentially the same, between AllGood and Frank: 1. Nov. 26, 2008-confidentiality and non-disclosure with regard to the reunion concert-and it's signed by about 6 parties including Frank and the term is for 18 months; and 2. Nov. 25, 2008 spelling out the terms--90 minute performance by MJ, etc. This dispute between Allgood and Frank is currently being litigated. If I recall correctly, the information you have provided is what Frank said in the Raffles interview. IMO Frank was not back before Michael fired Rowe in May, and I still question whether or not Michael himself brought him back.
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This is my understanding, as well. I think Frank hoped he'd be able to convince Michael? Very doubtful, though.

I, too, question whether or not Michael brought him back, or if he was/is on the ATV board to protect Michael's interests. . . or someone else's? If he was being paid by someone ELSE to serve on the board, then we can assume his interests were not Michael's in the capacity of his manager. The date Frank went on the board would be important. I'd like to know where his money was coming from before Michael's death and before he was re-hired as manager, and I'd like to know if AEG was paying him, and from what date? If AEG was paying him, then it was to do WHAT? I cannot see how being on the payroll of AEG and also being Michael's manager is not a huge conflict of interest.

As I've always said. . .follow the money. . . .
 
Victoria83 said:
To me what matters (in terms of the topic of the thread, and questions), is WHEN Frank went on the ATV board; did Michael KNOW about it, and in what capacity and to protect whose interests was he/is he on the board? .

Other questions would be, WHO is paying Frank's salary, and for what tasks? And when did he begin to be paid by whoever is paying him? Is he paid by the estate? By AEG? By Sony? We don't know. . . . .

I don't think we know yet the answers to these questions, with any certainty.
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elusive moonwalker said:
report about frank being on the board came out b4 june 25th.frank replaced raymone bain on the board after she was fired/lawsuits etc she filed
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So we have some idea as to when Frank joined on the ATV board. When was it that Raymone left the ATV board? Who has or had the power to appoint or remove people to the ATV board? Vic, you asked 'did Michael KNOW about it'? Who other than Michael can appoint people? I'm wondering if the appointments work by votes or owners can appoint certain amounts of people. One would hope that owners are notified when someone joins the board.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
frank didnt sign any contrats. he singed a deal with allgood where he would be used as a middle man. he would ask mj etc to take part.he was given a certain period of time to get them to sign if mj agreed dileo got paid. no one agreed the time scale ran out and nothing happened. frank was back with mj for a long time unoffically.its not like he just came back in june. they had been spending weekends together in vegas and L.A going back through 08. mj asked him to come back offically early 09
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Thanks for that. So Mike and Frank signed a contract?

Victoria83 said:
This is my understanding, as well. I think Frank hoped he'd be able to convince Michael? Very doubtful, though.

I, too, question whether or not Michael brought him back, or if he was/is on the ATV board to protect Michael's interests. . . or someone else's? If he was being paid by someone ELSE to serve on the board, then we can assume his interests were not Michael's in the capacity of his manager. The date Frank went on the board would be important. I'd like to know where his money was coming from before Michael's death and before he was re-hired as manager, and I'd like to know if AEG was paying him, and from what date? If AEG was paying him, then it was to do WHAT? I cannot see how being on the payroll of AEG and also being Michael's manager is not a huge conflict of interest.

As I've always said. . .follow the money. . . .
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I remember reading that Karen was not going to get paid until the concerts started and that the same was the case with Murray. There was a contract (according to TMZ) between AEG, Murray and Michael regarding Murray's pay but Mike never signed it. I don't know if Faye had an AEG contract too, but it makes me wonder if a similar contract existed for Dileo. That is definitely a conflict of interest if AEG was paying Frank as Michael manager. Or perhaps Frank wasn't going to get by paid by Mike until the concerts started?

Thanks dirtydiana27 for replying to my question.
 
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Katherine was getting 60.000$ a month, but according to many here MJ did not have the cash , so AEG must have been sending her the money . does that make her less credible ? would that make Katherine less loyal to MJ ? i'm saying that since everyone who was getting money from the advance mj got from AEG i considered shady now and probably sold her/his soul to the devil.

Frank was on the board, so he was paid by Sony/ATV as he was holding a managerial position in that company .
 
dirtydiana27 said:
You may be referring to the proposal drafted in an attempt to locate sponsors to fund the project. But Frank did sign 2 Agreements, Contracts whichever you would like to call them--they are legally essentially the same, between AllGood and Frank: 1. Nov. 26, 2008-confidentiality and non-disclosure with regard to the reunion concert-and it's signed by about 6 parties including Frank and the term is for 18 months; and 2. Nov. 25, 2008 spelling out the terms--90 minute performance by MJ, etc. This dispute between Allgood and Frank is currently being litigated. If I recall correctly, the information you have provided is what Frank said in the Raffles interview. IMO Frank was not back before Michael fired Rowe in May, and I still question whether or not Michael himself brought him back.
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ok i guess we are talking about different things then. never watched the raffles interview did frank say that in the interview.i still stand by the other things i said.interms of when frank came back and the amount of time he spent with mj .frank was at the audions in april with mj so b4 may
 
So we have some idea as to when Frank joined on the ATV board. When was it that Raymone left the ATV board? Who has or had the power to appoint or remove people to the ATV board? Vic, you asked 'did Michael KNOW about it'? Who other than Michael can appoint people? I'm wondering if the appointments work by votes or owners can appoint certain amounts of people. One would hope that owners are notified when someone joins the board.
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mj appointed the ppl to the board. ppl to represent him. he appointed bain to the board at some point. was shown in docs i guess from her lawsuit.then after she was sacked.when was that late 08 i think.(infos all in the media reports if ppl are bothered about searching) mj then appointed frank in her place. dont know the exact date
 
Thanks for that. So Mike and Frank signed a contract?
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i have no idea.who knows with mj. i guess something would have been done when mj asked him to come back offically and be involved in the tour
 
I had no idea AEG was also giving Katherine money! That made it even less possible for Michael to back out of the concerts if he felt he wasn't physically capable! If true, it also confirms how cash-strapped Michael really was. That's a very sad situation. I didn't realize how serious it was! Of course, Katherine had no conflict of interest with Michael because she wasn't Michael's MANAGER who was being paid by the company Michael was dealing with. It's within that PROFESSIONAL relationship (Frank as manager; Frank as AEG employee) that the conflict lies. And it's serious!

In terms of whether or not Michael knew Frank was on the ATV board (not necessarily), and who had the power to appoint. . . . boards of directors vary in structure. I'm on two boards of directors (for non-profit organizations). Both of my positions were done by election, by the other board members when there was a vacancy. Not sure if it's that way with the ATV board, but probably. In that sense, the Sony reps already on the board would have a lot of power in terms of who would be new board members.

Here's the problem. As Michael's manager, Frank's responsibility would be to look after his client's best interests in any deals negotiated, "working conditions" (including scheduling of concerts), and so on. With albums, his responsibility was (one would assume, because that's what a manager DOES) to get the best deals possible for Michael, with Sony.

But if Frank were paid by Sony and/or AEG, then his allegiance would be to where the money was coming from. . .the companies paying him. And NOT Michael. Michael needed someone his corner to negotiate the best situations possible with these companies. The goal would be for the companies to make as much money as possible. Michael's goals would be to make a lot of money and preserve artistic integrity.

Here's an analogy. Suppose a labor union elects an official to negotiate with management about salaries? The official is paid by the labor union for his work. But suppose that union organizer was paid by the COMPANY instead (or was being paid by the company under the table somehow)? Who is he working for, THEN? He then would be charged with protecting the company's interests and keeping employees salaries low so the company could make more profits. The official could not in good conscience, do BOTH. Michael apparently needed a MANAGER, who was independent of the very corporations with whom there were negotiations. This is very, very sad. ..
 
I said vic is claiming MJ could not afford to pay his filming crew, could not afford to pay anyone and anyone is suspicious because they were on AEG's payroll , I said if MJ did not afford to pay anyone , then he could not afford to send his mama 60.000 a month , so Katherine was also on their payroll , would that made her less credible ? ofcourse not , so why you are assuming Frank and everyone beside MJ is in AEG pocket simply because they were getting money from an advance AEG paid to MJ to cover expensses related and unrelated to the tour ?

again Vic , AGAIN mj would not have needed to pay any money to anyone before the contract was signed , what is your point ?

and please don't twist my words, I'm going with what you claimed . I have never claimed MJ did not have the money , MJ was getting 10 millions a year from the ATV and the rest would go to the trust to pay the loan , and last year he only spent 8 millions

and now MJ may have no idea Frank was appointed to the Sony/ATV board ? and if Sony/ATV was covering his salary then he was getting money from them , God what kind of argument is this ?
 
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