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If "2000 Watts" was released posthumously...

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Would you be intrigued by MJ's voice? Would you believe it wasn't his?
 
Everyone would accuse the estate for altering his voice when it wasn't necessary or people wouldn't believe it was him.
In any case, the song would be panned because it's not a very good song.

Wish it didn't make it onto Invincible.
 
I would have believe it was Michael's voice because you can understand it's him even if it's modified. But anyway "2000 watts" is at the right place so the problem doesn't exist.
 
There are always doubtful Dans who will say it was a fake, noone can win in this situation not even mike when he was alive.
 
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This. I think there will ultimately be some people who will say it isn't him, but they'll be in the minority. Unlike the Cascio tracks where the pronunciation is off, as well as everything else Michael naturally brings to the table in his recordings, 2000 Watts still sounds like trademark Michael outside of his deeper voice. For instance the "Baybayyy!!" parts is classic Michael and something he can only do with such perfection and emotion.
 
AtlasAir said:
Everyone would accuse the estate for altering his voice when it wasn't necessary or people wouldn't believe it was him.
In any case, the song would be panned because it's not a very good song.

Wish it didn't make it onto Invincible.
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I thought your post was going to be a good one, but you ruined a good start with saying 2000 watts it is not good song:ermm: Say what you like, but I love it :D
 
Despite the vocals being digitally modified (I don't care what Teddy Riley says, they are), I feel that most fans would be confused. At first, I didn't even think this song was Michael.
 
I don't understand why there is always so much discussion about this song, at least as far as the vocals go. Michael's voice sounds lower than usual, but it sounds unquestionably like him. I also think it's pitched down, not because I don't think he could hit those low notes, but because you can hear all the tell tale signs of it being downpitched.
 
I love 2000 watts and for some reason if it was released, a 3D video would go great with it. This is the one off invincible right
 
Not really a good song and Teddy going "uh...uh...uh-uh-uh....uh.." throughout the song doesn't help, God knows why APWNN, Xscape or any other 'Vince outtake didn't make the cut instead of this.

I do believe it's been slightly pitched down (didn't one of the engineers at gearslutz mention this as well?), like SoCav says, the signs are there. There are certain parts of the. There is this deep "roundness" effect in his voice.

Some parts might even be more pitched down.

See my example here. The part where he sings "when I reach I can go" (or whatever he's singing) suddenly gets way deeper than the rest.

Album pitch: https://soundcloud.com/pentummjj/2000-watts-album-pitch
My up pitch: https://soundcloud.com/pentummjj/2000-watts-pitched-up
 
Many people would be thrown off by it, but I really don't think there'd be a bunch, bunch of people accusing it of not being Michael like with the Cascio tracks. "2000 Watts" DOES sound like Michael singing, just deeper.
 
Why are People always arguing about 2000 Watts, but never about Privacy?
 
SoCav said:
I don't understand why there is always so much discussion about this song, at least as far as the vocals go. Michael's voice sounds lower than usual, but it sounds unquestionably like him. I also think it's pitched down, not because I don't think he could hit those low notes, but because you can hear all the tell tale signs of it being downpitched.
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Its definitely pitched down. There is a pitched up version made by a fan called BudzMJJ floating about the net where Michael sounds right.
 
AtlasAir said:
Everyone would accuse the estate for altering his voice when it wasn't necessary or people wouldn't believe it was him.
In any case, the song would be panned because it's not a very good song.

Wish it didn't make it onto Invincible.
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I agree with you on the first part. But the second part not so much. lol It is so true we all have differing tastes, because I do enjoy that song very much. It's one of the songs I kept going back to because it is so danceable and great to sing along with. :D
 
This is a stupid debate. It would be the same as it was back then. The same morons who know nothing about Michael would come forward saying its not him and those of us with a brain would tell them they are wrong. It happened in 2001 with 2000 Watts, Privacy and Threatened. Yet, even though all 3 used various vocal processing techniques and pitch alteration, the vocals STILL SOUND EXACTLY LIKE MICHAEL ****ING JACKSON!!!! ARE YOU READING THIS EDDIE, JAMES, FRANK AND ALL THE OTHER IDIOTS OUT THERE WHO THINK WE ARE ****ING DUMB!???!?! Even with all that shit done he still sounded like himself. Not like some 20 year old white guy. ****tards!! You insult my intelligence you pondscum arseholes!!
 
XscapeTheLies said:
This is a stupid debate. It would be the same as it was back then. The same morons who know nothing about Michael would come forward saying its not him and those of us with a brain would tell them they are wrong. It happened in 2001 with 2000 Watts, Privacy and Threatened. Yet, even though all 3 used various vocal processing techniques and pitch alteration, the vocals STILL SOUND EXACTLY LIKE MICHAEL ****ING JACKSON!!!! ARE YOU READING THIS EDDIE, JAMES, FRANK AND ALL THE OTHER IDIOTS OUT THERE WHO THINK WE ARE ****ING DUMB!???!?! Even with all that shit done he still sounded like himself. Not like some 20 year old white guy. ****tards!! You insult my intelligence you pondscum arseholes!!
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Why don't you tell us how you really feel
 
everybody would think it is not Michael and it would be a shame, it is a very special song and I like it very much:)
 
He doesn't sound unrecognizable, just lower so I wouldn't doubt it was him singing.
 
Ugh, the first time I heard it I didn't believe it was MJ singing on it. I started to google search on who the singer was when the stupidity of what I was doing hit me.
The mystery was solved once and for all when I watched Bad 25, his vocal coach Seth Riggs says this about MJ :-
He could sing bass baritone and tenor, but he chose to sing mostly tenor. He goes way down to bass low C! That is low, that's a bass pitch! And Michael would go right on down there and clear up to a G above high C. I mean that's enormous. ... He really didn't want to grow up, he wanted a child's voice. And I always tried to encourage to use his beautiful singing[?] voice. I was in Europe one time and his phone rang and his "HELLO?" (Seth riggs in a deep voice trying to show how MJ answered the phone) in his perfectly male voice, baritone and I said "Michael, why don't you use that?". He said, "I don't like it down there (deep voice), I like it up there (tenor)".
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The first time I heard him speaking in his deep voice was when I was watching the HIStory tour, MJ said those lines in "In The Closet" live. I was shocked when I heard that voice and had to check whether my ear phones had gone faulty or something lol :D He has used that voice during the "In the Closet" segment in every HIStory tour performance. Also in the MTV 1999 interview he imitates Vincent Price in a rather deep voice (I was shocked there as well).


When he speaks in that voice, it gives a whole new look to him. He sounds more "manly". And I guess he didn't want that because he was a "peter pan at heart". :D
But with Invincible, he wanted to portray a more tougher image with that album by including tracks which sounded masculine. "Unbreakable", "Heartbreaker", "Invincible", "2000 watts", "Threatened". All these tracks dominated the album with grittier, hard hitting beats and with 2000 watts he decided to go low with his voice.
As everybody were accustomed to the sweet sounding child-like MJ, Invincible was totally unexpected and many didn't accept that.

2000 watts is one of my fav songs off of "Invincible". :D I have heard it many times and can imagine him singing that in his deep voice. :D
 
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On these songs alot of ppls will say it is not Michael voice but we as his fans would know. I really don't like 2000 Watts or Privacy but i do love some of the songs on the album Michael in the deep voice on those songs i am not use to that i love hear Michael normal voice on his songs. Seth has always told Michael he need to sing in his low voice he sound good in it so maybe Michael was try this on these songs. That just imo.
 
I also noticed especially from the History tour, that Michael voice isnt the same as he used in interviews. In the Dangerous tour Mtv special, one of the band member said that soft voice was only for the media.
In the black or white making of video his voice is also a lot deeper :)
 
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