If the verdict is NOT guilty..

Yeah, they would doubtlessly cry "hypocrisy" without knowing the true details about either case, as people are bound to talk. I really don't see how anyone in their proper faculties could find Murray to be innocent, though. The patient is dead, he was the only one in the room with him, he administered the medication, for god's sake! Just with that statement alone, it is evident that Murray killed him with his own hands. Even if every story about Michael being a drug addict, etc. were true [and we know they're not, but let's speak hypothetically here for a moment], it would not change the fact that Murray was the one who administered the propofol which killed him, Murray was the one who prescribed the medication, and since Michael could not administer the medication himself, Murray was needed every time it was taken [assuming it was taken more than once] and by that involvement alone, he would still be damned of at least negligent homicide, as he would not only know of his patient's so-called "drug addiction," but would compose a crucial part of its continuation, therefore showing clear disregard for the patient's welfare, and sheer negligence in the administration of the drug itself! If anything, that would be even worse for his case--I'm not sure what he is attempting to prove, because no matter which way anyone looks at it, he's at the center of it all, and clearly guilty.

The propofol itself is clearly damning and enough of a reason to at least take his medical license away, as he was abusing it and using it outside its intended use (inducing anesthesia, sedating patients before surgery). What was it used for? Inducing sleep. Is this its intended use? Absolutely not. Is it even meant to be used outside of a hospital setting? Any medic in his right mind would say--no way. Who prescribed/administered it? Conrad Murray. Who is the doctor in this scenario, the licensed professional whose position warrants ultimate responsibility for the medically-related events in this case? Conrad Murray. Who is to blame for the death of Michael Jackson? Conrad Murray. The fact that recreational/otherwise non-medical use of propofol is extremely rare, and the only known cases in which propofol was administered for a use outside of its intended use [aside from this one] have been strictly within the medical community, there would be no way Michael Jackson would know of it without a doctor having prescribed it, and even if he did, it still doesn't change the fact that Murray administered it outside of a hospital setting, in itself entirely a negligent action in every imaginable regard.

He's knee-deep in incriminating facts already, and we haven't even gotten to the part where he incorrectly [and therefore pointlessly] administered CPR, and waited forever before calling more competent medics, no doubt in an attempt to hide evidence and save his ass. Even fifteen year old lifeguards know that, in order for CPR to work, it has to be performed in a firm, flat surface.

"Oh, dear, but...Michael Jackson is unresponsive on the bed, I should administer CPR, but where oh were am I going to find a firm, flat surface?" Um...I dunno, maybe the floor?!?! You know, that firm, flat thing that's everywhere you go? Get someone to help [instead of calling for Prince Jackson, you twit!] put Michael on the floor, so that you can properly give the guy CPR instead of wasting time and looking like a total ass pointlessly attempting to perform it on a bed, or else being a total coward and attempting to cover your own ass.

If you can't do that, you should maybe follow your Hippocratic Oath, you know, that one part where it says:

Hippocratic Oath said:
I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

Nowhere in that sentence does it say, "I will wait an eternity before calling 911 so that I can have enough time to hide evidence of my wrong-doing, and psychologically scar a child by making him witness his father's death as I uselessly stand by, while I'm at it."

So, really, even if you look at things in the worst-case scenario [the MJ was a druggie trash/lies that permeate the news, etc.], there is no way Murray can escape his share of the blame [IMO all of it]. Out of everything he did, there was not one thing that he did properly. Every one action of his was wrong, and if he truly believes he's innocent, he must be delusional as all hell, or high on glue.

If he was even slightly intelligent, he'd plead guilty to negligent homicide in hopes of receiving the least severe sentence. There is just no way he could rationally be found innocent. The evidence the prosecution is using is not circumstantial or hearsay, it is directly depicting Murray's deep involvement in it all, and as a doctor, he would be at fault no matter what. Even if his client was the most rabid propofol addict, he would still be, in the end, the one who administered it, and thus the one to blame. No matter the circumstance, it was completely inappropriate to use propofol as a sleep agent in a home setting, and yet he still administered it--guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
 
If it is, then I'd like to know exactly why... and yes, I will be angry if it's 'cos they actually believe the defence's less than weak case.
 
Yeah, they would doubtlessly cry "hypocrisy" without knowing the true details about either case, as people are bound to talk. I really don't see how anyone in their proper faculties could find Murray to be innocent, though. The patient is dead, he was the only one in the room with him, he administered the medication, for god's sake! Just with that statement alone, it is evident that Murray killed him with his own hands. Even if every story about Michael being a drug addict, etc. were true [and we know they're not, but let's speak hypothetically here for a moment], it would not change the fact that Murray was the one who administered the propofol which killed him, Murray was the one who prescribed the medication, and since Michael could not administer the medication himself, Murray was needed every time it was taken [assuming it was taken more than once] and by that involvement alone, he would still be damned of at least negligent homicide, as he would not only know of his patient's so-called "drug addiction," but would compose a crucial part of its continuation, therefore showing clear disregard for the patient's welfare, and sheer negligence in the administration of the drug itself! If anything, that would be even worse for his case--I'm not sure what he is attempting to prove, because no matter which way anyone looks at it, he's at the center of it all, and clearly guilty.

The propofol itself is clearly damning and enough of a reason to at least take his medical license away, as he was abusing it and using it outside its intended use (inducing anesthesia, sedating patients before surgery). What was it used for? Inducing sleep. Is this its intended use? Absolutely not. Is it even meant to be used outside of a hospital setting? Any medic in his right mind would say--no way. Who prescribed/administered it? Conrad Murray. Who is the doctor in this scenario, the licensed professional whose position warrants ultimate responsibility for the medically-related events in this case? Conrad Murray. Who is to blame for the death of Michael Jackson? Conrad Murray. The fact that recreational/otherwise non-medical use of propofol is extremely rare, and the only known cases in which propofol was administered for a use outside of its intended use [aside from this one] have been strictly within the medical community, there would be no way Michael Jackson would know of it without a doctor having prescribed it, and even if he did, it still doesn't change the fact that Murray administered it outside of a hospital setting, in itself entirely a negligent action in every imaginable regard.

He's knee-deep in incriminating facts already, and we haven't even gotten to the part where he incorrectly [and therefore pointlessly] administered CPR, and waited forever before calling more competent medics, no doubt in an attempt to hide evidence and save his ass. Even fifteen year old lifeguards know that, in order for CPR to work, it has to be performed in a firm, flat surface.

"Oh, dear, but...Michael Jackson is unresponsive on the bed, I should administer CPR, but where oh were am I going to find a firm, flat surface?" Um...I dunno, maybe the floor?!?! You know, that firm, flat thing that's everywhere you go? Get someone to help [instead of calling for Prince Jackson, you twit!] put Michael on the floor, so that you can properly give the guy CPR instead of wasting time and looking like a total ass pointlessly attempting to perform it on a bed, or else being a total coward and attempting to cover your own ass.

If you can't do that, you should maybe follow your Hippocratic Oath, you know, that one part where it says:



Nowhere in that sentence does it say, "I will wait an eternity before calling 911 so that I can have enough time to hide evidence of my wrong-doing, and psychologically scar a child by making him witness his father's death as I uselessly stand by, while I'm at it."

So, really, even if you look at things in the worst-case scenario [the MJ was a druggie trash/lies that permeate the news, etc.], there is no way Murray can escape his share of the blame [IMO all of it]. Out of everything he did, there was not one thing that he did properly. Every one action of his was wrong, and if he truly believes he's innocent, he must be delusional as all hell, or high on glue.

If he was even slightly intelligent, he'd plead guilty to negligent homicide in hopes of receiving the least severe sentence. There is just no way he could rationally be found innocent. The evidence the prosecution is using is not circumstantial or hearsay, it is directly depicting Murray's deep involvement in it all, and as a doctor, he would be at fault no matter what. Even if his client was the most rabid propofol addict, he would still be, in the end, the one who administered it, and thus the one to blame. No matter the circumstance, it was completely inappropriate to use propofol as a sleep agent in a home setting, and yet he still administered it--guilty. Guilty. Guilty.



:clap: :clap: Totally agree with this post
 
The killer Murray admitted to the police that he injected the Propofol.

No need more, he's guilty. Go in jail, and finish to play to the fake doctor.
 
But I have this feeling that if he's pronounced innocent, and naturally we still assume he's guilty.. that the public/haters/non-believers will say something along the lines of..

'Michael was acquitted in 2005 and you trusted the justice system then.. Why not now? What makes this different?'

Well when Michael was acquitted in 2005 they didn't trust the justice system then so why is this different for them?
 
There is no way its going to be not guilty. No matter how much stuff Murray's team drags up, nothing can take away the fact that he is the only person to blame for Michael not being here today.

Look i think we should ALL wait for the trial to begin so we can see the evidence. This whole thing rides on evidence, i mean how can they find Murray guilty if theres little to no evidence? They cant.
Either way im not saying hes innocent OR guilty until i see HARD FACTS, i will never presume guilt, i didnt in 05 and i wont now
 
If it´s not guilty,then Michael couldn´t have died.I guess I would join the believers...
 
If it's not guilty you can bet your boots the Jackson clan will go ahead with a civil action which is so much easier to prove. Murray ends up owing them a fortune and can never make money on writing a book about MJ without handing over all profits to the family.
Looking at all of the facts so far I find it highly unlikely that Murray will get off with this and will indeed be found guilty as charged.
 
I completely agree, and this is why they will try to inject the element of doubt into the jury's mind that Michael gave himself the fatal dose. Hence why they are going to try and question his state of mind and relationship with other doctors and AEG.
 
daneB;3412160 said:
As a lawyer I know that a jury can be manipulated, it is possible to reverse the roles of characters, placing the defendant as a victim and the victim as a culprit.
Sometimes this manipulation is the only way to absolve a person who though he actually committed the crime, does not deserve to be condemned.When a father kills someone who has raped his daughter, for example.
What we did is convince the jury that the father does not deserve punishment though there's any doubt he is guilty.
That Murray injected propofol in Michael and that's what killed him cannot be denied. The theory that Michael injected himself is ridiculous.
So, They will efforts to convince the jury that Michael was a crazy man, desperate, with a chronic insomnia and that Murray simply could not handle it. Murray just could not say NO to him.
The goal is leave the juror to put yourself in his shoes and think “if I had the same situation, would not act differently.” So they feel pity for the defendant and acquit him.
Many people believe that Murray had no choice. Quincy Jones said that no one can deal with people like Michael.
What I absolutely disagree. That would be like saying that a doctor may agree to do anything that the celebrities ask him, even if it will kills them.

But there is much things against Murray and I believe that defense attorneys will not be able to turn him into a victim of circumstances and the power of his client.

Not only have injected drugs, but all the behavior of Murray testified that he did not take care of Michael's life as he should. He left him alone, took the call for help very late, bother to hide syringes, showing coolness in the situation. He pretended cardiac massage in bed and with only one hand.

If he is acquitted, I know how I will feel... outraged !!!
If jurors acquit Murray, is because they believe that a celebrity is not as human as other human beings.

And there is one thing I do not understand. Why is the use of anesthesia to Michael to sleep?
I've taken general anesthesia and when we awaken, we feel horrible. We do not feel rested, but as if we had been hit by a truck.

I do not believe that Michael used propofol to sleep. I believe Murray killed him deliberately. It was intentional, not negligent. And there are more people involved in this story. I can't believe Murray was so stupid.

I think you're right about Murray's lawyers defense.

I just don't think that Murray killed MJ on purpose. I don't know since when MJ was using Propofol to sleep with the help of Murray. The investigations must have gotten the answer. I don't know either who prescribed Propofol as a sleep aid to MJ. It's so absurd just to think about it. We tend to think about Murray. I'm not so sure about it. I don't know why.

And the thing about celebrities is not their status. It's their money. Many do not have character to say no when they are paid a fortune.
 
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