- Feb 26, 2022
MJ should've removed Invincible and Heaven Can Wait from the album, they sound like weaker versions of Unbreakable and Break Of Dawn.
And also that putting You Are My Life in place of Shout was a mistake.The album is so polarizing. There seems to be one consensus though and that is that the title track and 2000 watts and cry are by far the least popular songs of the album
I've heard quite a few people "praise" 2000 wattsThere seems to be one consensus though and that is that the title track and 2000 watts and cry are by far the least popular songs of the album
That is mostly a grossly exaggerated figure. The album left almost all charts in 6 weeks time. Debuting high and then dropping like a stone week after week. Compare that with the longevity of HIStory which charted for give or take 100 weeks in the biggest markets.
I know many fans hide after a figure of 8 million but that is quite simply fantasy cause certifications are based on shipments not sales.
The first single was a moderate success because of hype and promotion but it is now mainly a forgotten song in his catalogue. The second single was a huge flop. Compare that to his other albums who had up to 7 singles and even the later released singles of an album often still reached top 10 positions all over the world.
Michael set the bar high with his former albums and he didn’t even come close to jump over it with Invincible
Kind of like a few of the songs on DangerousIt's too easy to compare certain tracks, which dilutes their specialness
I honestly think it's less "wrong" and more not enoughThey picked the wrong singles.
Not really. Darkchild was a popular producer at the time, just like Teddy Riley was in the New Jack Swing era. I think the singles are irrelevant. I thought that Sony stopped promotion because of that "Tommy Mattola is the devil" protest. That didn't seem like a wise thing to do. Protesting a record label that you want to promote your records did not work for Prince or George Michael years before Invincible existed. R&B & hip hop radio stations played Butterflies on their own, not because Sony was promoting it. Heaven Can Wait also got some R&B airplay, but not as much as Butterflies did. Butterflies had the neo-soul sound that was popular with the R&B audience at the time. But except for a few exceptions, neo-soul did not crossover to get Top 40 pop airplay.They picked the wrong singles.
6 million sounds like an acceptable figure, more than that is impossible in my eyes
Yeah sort of mate, but I think the songs that were similar on Dangerous were about different subjects.Kind of like a few of the songs on Dangerous
I see what you mean, some songs would've fit better if they were released on TUC instead.I don’t know if this makes sense but I think the songs on Invincible are solid on their own, but it just doesn’t work well as an album.
Maybe I’m biased though because for me, Michael could sing the most basic melody with the most basic lyrics and I’d still get something out of it. I mean, that’s what people argue the latter half of the Motown stuff is and I enjoy that stuff too. So songs that are objectively like “Yeah, this is not really that good” I don’t mind listening to if it comes on shuffle.
That's exactly the demo to People of the WorldMichael could sing the most basic melody with the most basic lyrics and I’d still get something out of it
Someone please explain the Shout hype to me.And also that putting You Are My Life in place of Shout was a mistake.
Butterflies reached number 14 on Billboard Hot 100 from radio airplay alone. Had it been released as an official single, it would have been a top 10 hit for sure, maybe even a number 1 hit.Yeah Butterflies was a massive radio hit in the US, it was never a single.
Tell me I'm not dreaming the duet between Jermaine and Michael was also a massive radio hit in 1984
Can't speak about hype, don't know anything about that. But my own reaction to the song? Well, it gets me up and dancing - and I am not at all the 'get up and dance' type. It's the only Michael song that can do that. I also have to sing along (well, in my head, don't wanna frighten the neighbours) and that's something else I never, ever do. Again, there isn't another song from Michael that does that for me. I mean, obviously, I listen to lyrics (sometimes, not always) but that's different to singing along to them. Well, it feels different to me.Someone please explain the Shout hype to me.
Off The Wall was 5 uptempos in a row. 5 of the most danceable songs in his entire career, some of the catchiest music in history.All 3 of these songs are up-tempo, fast, aggressive etc.
Michael never did that on any other album, by at least the 3rd track you had 1 slower/calmer song, Stranger in Moscow, Superfly Sister, In The Closet etc.
I love Shout!! If there's a "hype" it's 100% justified, IMO.Love the beat just for itself but also cos it'll pick me up every single time. No matter how rubbish my life is that song will prop me up. It just never fails. I love Michael's vocals, it's like my brain is racing through a maze trying to work out what he's doing or, I dunno, trying to 'find' this sound that he's come up with. Can't really explain it but it's like I'm chasing after this voice because there's something going on somewhere and I wanna know more. I want to run out the front door and find ... whatever it is he's telling me about. His voice on this song is like an adventure. Or it's like a mystery (one I can't solve, obvs). I love that he doesn't sound like he normally does. Not that I don't prefer his normal vocal sound, I absolutely do and wouldn't want all of his songs to sound like this, but I love this sound he's created here.
That's... interesting, to say the least. But I know you mean it positively!And it makes me laugh. I mean, proper laugh-out-loud.
Hard agree, oh man! Pinging @Hiker too, because I know she agrees as well.Plus, Michael does sound really sexy. So that's cool.
SO much this.I love Shout!! If there's a "hype" it's 100% justified, IMO.
And it makes me laugh. I mean, proper laugh-out-loud.
Back when I wrote this, I didn't have any sw23 reference points in my head. Now, I can be really lazy and say this is a very sw23 response so at least I know I'm not the only one. She might not react to this *specific* song like this but I know for sure she does do this. And, hopefully, other peeps do as well. So I'll just leave that there, lol.That's... interesting, to say the least. But I know you mean it positively!
Don't know them. But Shout for sure is a rock song, imo, so if they are a rock band I can understand your point.To me, it reminds me a bit of Disturbed, musically speaking. I mean that in a good way, despite not being a fan.
I always forget it was a B side. I never bought Michael's records when he was alive so it was quite a while after he died before I came across Shout. Happy day!It also truly feels like a counterpart to Cry, the A-side - lyrically, they talk about similar things. The titles are also similar. But the music, combined with the general tone of each song, is almost opposite. Cry is a positive, uplifting ballad, whereas Shout is angry, pissed off, and loud. I wonder if this was all inentional, who knows. I'd like to believe it is.
They're a rock band yes, though they're more on the metal/nu metal side of things, which I know isn't really your thing, haha.Don't know them. But Shout for sure is a rock song, imo, so if they are a rock band I can understand your point.
oh god, nu metal. Spare me!They're a rock band yes, though they're more on the metal/nu metal side of things, which I know isn't really your thing, haha.