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Is Michael Jackson's will valid or part of elaborate murder conspiracy

sannahchu said:
I just don't TRUST "John Branca ,John McClain, Frank Dileo and etc......all sorts of men that MJ had already cut ties before and all of a sudden came back to his life...a few weeks or days before his DEATH?
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I do not trust them either. None of them. Is Frank going to answer our questions on this board some day? I am sick and tire waiting.... .He is just another shady man.
 
Sadley you had a man with the spirit and innocence of a child, owning hundreds of millions of dollars worth of assets, he never became street wise enough to recognise those who were manipulating him, or maybe he held onto the hope that the next one, and the one after etc. was genuine, and they never were.

He was the most vulnerable adult out there and I think in the end they did get him, I am convinced he was murdered, and that is the last thing I want to think.

I would rather it had been a tragic accident, but I fear he was drugged on a regular basis without realising it.
 
I have this fear too, but I'm pretty sure that was murdered
Where are the tapes?
Do Tohme Tohme dismissed employees to cut them?
And where is Tohme?
Because AEG Colony or questioned in receiving insurance?
When the police will change the focus of homicide by medical / remedy for
murder by interest / finance / catalog
The truth must be told



It is my dream and my goal to capture the truth. We dedicate ourselves to that. (Michael Jackson)



Tenho esse medo também, mas tenho quase certeza de que foi assassinado
Onde estao as fitas gravadas?
Será que Tohme Tohme demitiu os empregados para retira-las?
E por onde anda Tohme?
Porque AEG nem Colony questionaram em receber o seguro?
Quando a policia vai mudar o foco de homicidio por medico/remedio para
assassinato por interesse/financeiro/catalogos
A verdade tem de ser dita



É meu sonho e meu objetivo captar a verdade. Devemos nos dedicar a isso. (Michael Jackson)
 
hilliver said:
Sadley you had a man with the spirit and innocence of a child, owning hundreds of millions of dollars worth of assets, he never became street wise enough to recognise those who were manipulating him, or maybe he held onto the hope that the next one, and the one after etc. was genuine, and they never were.

He was the most vulnerable adult out there and I think in the end they did get him, I am convinced he was murdered, and that is the last thing I want to think.

I would rather it had been a tragic accident, but I fear he was drugged on a regular basis without realising it.
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This is spot on with how I feel too!!!
 
hilliver said:
Sadley you had a man with the spirit and innocence of a child, owning hundreds of millions of dollars worth of assets, he never became street wise enough to recognise those who were manipulating him, or maybe he held onto the hope that the next one, and the one after etc. was genuine, and they never were.

He was the most vulnerable adult out there and I think in the end they did get him, I am convinced he was murdered, and that is the last thing I want to think.

I would rather it had been a tragic accident, but I fear he was drugged on a regular basis without realising it.
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What happened that night was NOT an accident!

The third was to a number police have been unable to trace, leading them to believe the owner was using a pay-as-you-go phone bought for cash.

A senior Los Angeles police source told the Sunday Express: “We are extremely anxious to trace this person. He or she could hold key evidence to a homicide investigation.

“It could also be possible they will face charges if he or she is found to have withheld important information.”
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134656/*****-mystery-call#
 
Asedora said:
Agree 100%. Diana Ross as a second guardian looks very strange.. If this will is fake the real one is gone anyways.
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I know, right?

They faked his will and destroy the original one. I always thought Janet Jackson was second guardian to his children.
 
MJ#1WhoIsIt said:
Was Michael Jackson suppose to work all his LIFE to leave everything to people he FIRED and didnt even like him and more than likely are the ones who MURDERED him ? ? ? is that what he was suppose to do leave everything to his enemies ? ? ? what these MURDERERS should have done is included Michael's Nieces and Nephews whom he Loved Dearly since they want to spread rumors that he was "estranged from his family" they should have made it look a little real but they where to GREEDY for that, the Jackson Family is HUGE and they want everyone to believe their LIES like Michael didnt LOVE his FAMILY. All one have to ask is WHO is the FAKE WILL benefitting right now ? ? ? Thats why the JACKSONS ARE NOT ASKING ANYTHING OF MICHAEL's ESTATE when most Families would have that FAKE WILL tied up in NAVY KNOTS by now. Wonderful Family showing nothing but Grace, Courage and Faith.








Great Thread as usual Gaiaschild. The FAKE WILL is the Motive why Michael was Murdered without this FAKE WILL they would have NOTHING - ABSOLUTELY NO POWER, this gave them ALL the POWER they need. Michael Jackson would still be alive if Katherine had a copy of this so called WILL, but they destroyed every copy of the Real Will and replaced it with the one naming John Branca as EXECUTIONER, it really shows just how EVIL this world and the evil people have become because Im sure Michael left a BEAUTIFUL TRUST for his FAMILY and CHARITIES, this is such an EVIL WORK what they have done in Murdering Michael Jackson and the Legacy they want people to BELIEVE.
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His murders are greedy indeed! They expect us to believe that MJ hated his own family. I found that hard to believe.
 
Soso Deaf said:
oh my gawd....cuz apparently the will cut out his kids and his mama and gave the money to the bad people....

oh wait....it didint. so y is it fake?
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but if it did just that then OBVIOUSLY it would be fake and OBVIOSULY Michael's death would seem more like a real murder

no villians want to make their crimes obvious.
 
afrika said:
His murders are greedy indeed! They expect us to believe that MJ hated his own family. I found that hard to believe.
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I guess they said that before This Is It came out and we see Michael ourselves telling his entire family he loved them during rehearsals.
 
AmberR said:
What happened that night was NOT an accident!

The third was to a number police have been unable to trace, leading them to believe the owner was using a pay-as-you-go phone bought for cash.

A senior Los Angeles police source told the Sunday Express: “We are extremely anxious to trace this person. He or she could hold key evidence to a homicide investigation.

“It could also be possible they will face charges if he or she is found to have withheld important information.”
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134656/*****-mystery-call#
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Can't police trace on all phones? And I've never heard of a pay-as-you-go phone before where police are unable to trace it.

Well, if that's so, then how convenient and smart. They all should have had those phones that Murray called. But if they all had one, then it would be obvious somethin was up.

I really want to know who this person is so bad.
 
Yeah me too. Murray is a damn liar and I hate him for doing it. If he ever shows his face in public... well.
 
If it was fabricated then why give everything to Katherine, three children and Charity.

Its very odd when a fake will gives 20% to charities!!!!!!!!!!!
 
yeah personally if i were gonna do a fake will id make sure itwas different to the 97 one and id make sure i got the money. otherwise im not sure what exactly the point of it is!
 
kasume said:
Can't police trace on all phones? And I've never heard of a pay-as-you-go phone before where police are unable to trace it.

Well, if that's so, then how convenient and smart. They all should have had those phones that Murray called. But if they all had one, then it would be obvious somethin was up.

I really want to know who this person is so bad.
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that article is false. the calls have all been documented that were talked about in that article

At 11:18am he called his Las Vegas office for 32 minutes

at 11:49am he called another Las Vegas phone for 3 minutes

at 11:51am he phoned somebody in Houston for 11 minutes.

at 12:05 pm he called MJ's assistant.

at 12: 21 pm paramedics were called
 
afrika said:
I know, right?

They faked his will and destroy the original one. I always thought Janet Jackson was second guardian to his children.
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the last will he wrote in 97 said the same things. so if the 2002 will gets thrown out the 97 one comes in which happens to be exactlythe same. can someone who thinks the will is fake explain to me why its exactly the same as the 97 one or is that fake aswell. so if they are both fake why was a another one created that was exactly the same.the only way the fake will argument stands is if the last will mj wrote was totally different to the one they are using (2002) now and was written in 2009 and not 2002. otherwise the argument contains no logic at all. if it werefake whys all the money going to the kids katherine and charities.how does this work for those who created the fake well.they arent getting anything out of it lol:doh:
 
Krshna28 said:
If it was fabricated then why give everything to Katherine, three children and Charity.

Its very odd when a fake will gives 20% to charities!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Estate does NOT get everything. It gets everything of what's LEFT after the sharks are done with it.

So you guys actually believe that it was a simple clerical error that the will says July 7 2002 LA California while MJ was in NY that day?

Just curious how you can accept the idea of this "mistake" with all these lawyers present and not one of'em noticing it???? NOT!

Whether you do a will, buy a house or sign divorce papers, there's always several people checking the documents that are being signed. You lawyer, their lawyer, agents, witnesses, secretaries, you name it. That's why they're all paid for; making sure all the Ts are crossed and all paragraphs of said documents is initialed. Been there done that, that's why this "clerical error" doesn't "jive" in my mind. Sorry.
 
The Estate does NOT get everything. It gets everything of what's LEFT after the sharks are done with it
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who are the sharks and how are they getting things, u see this is the problem i have with this section of the board at the min. gone are the days of ploughing through the facts in 03-05 now some posts are just ramblings with no evidence to support them
 
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So you guys actually believe that it was a simple clerical error that the will says July 7 2002 LA California while MJ was in NY that day?

Just curious how you can accept the idea of this "mistake" with all these lawyers present and not one of'em noticing it???? NOT!

Whether you do a will, buy a house or sign divorce papers, there's always several people checking the documents that are being signed. You lawyer, their lawyer, agents, witnesses, secretaries, you name it. That's why they're all paid for; making sure all the Ts are crossed and all paragraphs of said documents is initialed. Been there done that, that's why this "clerical error" doesn't "jive" in my mind. Sorry.
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so if its fake what happens? the 97 will replaces it and that will says exactly the same thing.so nothing changes. why would u create a will that says the same as the 97 one. big conincedence.
 
yes if u believe that. but there is no logic to that argument at all as its the same as the 97 one. if you are creating a fake will its not going to say exactly the same as the one u are trying to make disapear unless u have the most stupid person never creating it.if it were fake it would say for example 40% to branca 40% to the kids. why would u create a fake will that gives everything to the kids and katherine and abit to charity.unless u go down the route of saying mj was leaving it all to a dogs home and someone faked it to make sure the kids/katherine got some.
 
the will is fake because Randy and his siblings are not in charge of the estate .lol

MJ was smart but his decision to keep his family out of his Estate was th best decision he had ever made .
 
elusive moonwalker said:
who are the sharks and how are they getting things, u see this is the problem i have with this section of the board at the min. gone are the days of ploughing through the facts in 03-05 now some posts are just ramblings with no evidence to support them
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This is exactly what is driving me crazy!!!!!!!

Soundmind said:
the will is fake because Randy and his siblings are not in charge of the estate .lol

MJ was smart but his decision to keep his family out of his Estate was the best decision he had ever made .
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Agree.......Michael was the good egg in a family of bad eggs!!!!!
 
Soundmind said:
the will is fake because Randy and his siblings are not in charge of the estate .lol

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Too, all the cute outfits should have gone to Jermaine, who

should have been proclaimed New King of Never-Eva-Land.
 
riviera1992 said:
The Estate does NOT get everything. It gets everything of what's LEFT after the sharks are done with it.

So you guys actually believe that it was a simple clerical error that the will says July 7 2002 LA California while MJ was in NY that day?

Just curious how you can accept the idea of this "mistake" with all these lawyers present and not one of'em noticing it???? NOT!

Whether you do a will, buy a house or sign divorce papers, there's always several people checking the documents that are being signed. You lawyer, their lawyer, agents, witnesses, secretaries, you name it. That's why they're all paid for; making sure all the Ts are crossed and all paragraphs of said documents is initialed. Been there done that, that's why this "clerical error" doesn't "jive" in my mind. Sorry.
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Exactly - The question of the 2002 Will being authentic revolves around the fact that Michael was in New York when the document clearly states it was witnessed in LA, California--clerical error? So far, there has not been a satisfactory explanation for this "clerical error". Good lawyers catch these types of "clerical" errors, FIXING them and then having Michael and the witnesses initial at the error. Additionally, why wouldn't Michael make a new Will after he fired Branca in 2003. Most people who fire their attorneys take all of their files with them. Michael requested Branca to forward all of his files to his new attorney, LeGrand in his "Discontinuance of Services" letter to Branca dated February, 2003. And, after what TomM and LeGrand were able to bring out during the Trial about Branca's dubious loyalty to Michael, I seriously doubt that Michael would have left his Will in Branca's greedy hands, let alone keep him as Executor.
 
Executors John Branca and John McClain had signed as witnesses.
Why no one else there to sign?
Also this will give power to both Johns to act on behalf of Michael. They can make decisions what to do with Michael's music catalogs or Sony/ATV. It is very convenient Frank Dileo is one of board of directors.
This Will is not just about how much Michael's mom and his children get. It is more than that. It is more about running Michael Jackson corporation without any heck ups from the moment Michael passed away.
 
Can't a court tell a fake will? Aren't there specialists?
If we are able to detect all these inconsistencies, can't they?
So many people had motives to get rid of him,wouldn't the will be the ultimate document to be tampered?
 
I believe a genius like Mike must have considered securing his valid will and protecting it from all the leeches he was so suspicious of.
 
Maria MJ said:
Can't a court tell a fake will? Aren't there specialists?
If we are able to detect all these inconsistencies, can't they?
So many people had motives to get rid of him,wouldn't the will be the ultimate document to be tampered?
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Whoever is named as executor would stand to make an outstandingly huge amount of money, as the executor gets a percentage of profits. That does not mean the executor is in any way culpable in Michael's death, at all. It simply means that this would be a very significant position. It also means that whoever is executor could at some point, sell the ATV catalog, and the family could not prevent it.

It's not easy to invalidate a will, but one way would be to investigate inconsistencies, i.e. was the person actually THERE on the stated date, to sign it. The "wrong" location given by one of the witnesses would at least make the will worthy of investigating further. Another way would be to interview the witnesses to the will, i.e. were they actually THERE on that date to sign it, and can that be verified by any sort of proofs? Such as, hotel records, another person who saw the person in New York on that date, and so on.

I'm not saying that I know what actually happened, or if the will is valid or not. There ARE questions, though. That one witness said the location was California, when it was not. That Diana Ross was named as "second-guardian" of the children? I knew she and Michael were friends, but he hadn't actually seen/spoken with her for a long time? That seems like a very odd choice, to me. Most importantly, IF there is a more recent will naming someone else as executor, why has not that person come forward? That leads me to think that probably, there is no more recent will? I'm not completely sure, though. If there was a more recent will, I'd expect the most likely person to have it. . . would be McClain.

I also find it odd that Branca would be the one with the will, given that he'd been fired as Michael's attorney. As I've said before, I have a will. I have an attorney. There is a copy of my will at my attorney's office. If I should switch attorneys, I'd take back the copy of the will and give it to the new attorney. That is just common sense, and for that reason, I still don't understand exactly what happened in terms of Michael's will.
 
Executors John Branca and John McClain had signed as witnesses.
Why no one else there to sign?
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there were other ppl there who signed. from articles at the time if i remember right
 
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