Is Michael Jackson's will valid or part of elaborate murder conspiracy

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Interesting video with some facts on validity of MJ will, such as it doesn't have correct names of children, why would he sign a will that didn't have the corrrect names of his children!! 2 of the witnesses to MJ signing are 2 of the the executors...WITNESSES SHOULD BE PEOPLE OTHER THAN EXECUTORS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvu301ATe_0
 
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i,ve seen this you tube clip,it does make you wonder,the media would probably come out with the same bull that he must of been under medication when signing,but it also could lead to this will being a fake,
 
IMO it's a fake.


This is exactly my opinion of this "Will" from the very start.

Even Katherine's Lawyer one evening while on Larry King Live with his female partner Lawyer, said some words indicating to me, he too questions the validity of this "Will".
Londell was very careful with the words he choose, but I got the message loud and clear.


We are not the only ones who are suspicious.
 
Ok, I have watched it too. Now I feel more like this will is fake. Also, it is very sad to look at the picture showing that he was in terrible pain. They probably injected him with something before he signed this will. I do not know why God made Michael suffer so much! It is just impossible for one man to hold so many emotional and physical problems.
 
Ok, I have watched it too. Now I feel more like this will is fake. Also, it is very sad to look at the picture showing that he was in terrible pain. They probably injected him with something before he signed this will. I do not know why God made Michael suffer so much! It is just impossible for one man to hold so many emotional and physical problems.


Hon, I understand your reasoning behind the comment about god....


It wasn't God who made him suffer. It was the host of Crooks and Thieves in his own camp who did!


I wonder if we will ever get the main stream media questioning the validity of this "Will". God would I love for this to be part of the Investigation and Topic on the news programs.
 
Exactly... I also think that the will is fake because of the children's names.
 
Hon, I understand your reasoning behind the comment about god....


It wasn't God who made him suffer. It was the host of Crooks and Thieves in his own camp who did!


I wonder if we will ever get the main stream media questioning the validity of this "Will". God would I love for this to be part of the Investigation and Topic on the news programs.

I know hon, it was not God doing it to him. It was an expression. There were very real individuals and f*king doctors making him suffer like that. When I saw this picture first time I couldn't believe how in the world a person being a super mega star, a person who could afford the best doctors in this planet would EVER have such a big problem as necrosis on his legs almost turning to gangrene? A saw homeless ppl with similar problems cus it was a result of a poor diet, an infection and low blood circulation. But those ppl have never seen a doctor! Mike was visiting Klein’s office a few times a week in 2002 when this problem took a place.
How possible that a world star living in Hollywood could have the same problem? I was crying when I saw this picture. Something is not right with this "spider bite" and all injection marks around his swollen ankles.
I won't be surprised if they made him sign his will being under powerful drugs.
I do not know if anybody ever will go to prison for what they did to him. This world, obviously is not about love.

PS. I think MJ's fans have to do something to make all those a*holes to go to prison.
 
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oh my gawd....cuz apparently the will cut out his kids and his mama and gave the money to the bad people....

oh wait....it didint. so y is it fake?
 
it is fake because it did not gave everything to Randy, Jermaine and Latoya.
 
oh my gawd....cuz apparently the will cut out his kids and his mama and gave the money to the bad people....

oh wait....it didint. so y is it fake?




Was Michael Jackson suppose to work all his LIFE to leave everything to people he FIRED and didnt even like him and more than likely are the ones who MURDERED him ? ? ? is that what he was suppose to do leave everything to his enemies ? ? ? what these MURDERERS should have done is included Michael's Nieces and Nephews whom he Loved Dearly since they want to spread rumors that he was "estranged from his family" they should have made it look a little real but they where to GREEDY for that, the Jackson Family is HUGE and they want everyone to believe their LIES like Michael didnt LOVE his FAMILY. All one have to ask is WHO is the FAKE WILL benefitting right now ? ? ? Thats why the JACKSONS ARE NOT ASKING ANYTHING OF MICHAEL's ESTATE when most Families would have that FAKE WILL tied up in NAVY KNOTS by now. Wonderful Family showing nothing but Grace, Courage and Faith.




Interesting video with some facts on validity of MJ will, such as it doesn't have correct names of children, why would he sign a will that didn't have the corrrect names of his children!! 2 of the witnesses to MJ signing are 2 of the the executors...WITNESSES SHOULD BE PEOPLE OTHER THAN EXECUTORS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvu301ATe_0



Great Thread as usual Gaiaschild. The FAKE WILL is the Motive why Michael was Murdered without this FAKE WILL they would have NOTHING - ABSOLUTELY NO POWER, this gave them ALL the POWER they need. Michael Jackson would still be alive if Katherine had a copy of this so called WILL, but they destroyed every copy of the Real Will and replaced it with the one naming John Branca as EXECUTIONER, it really shows just how EVIL this world and the evil people have become because Im sure Michael left a BEAUTIFUL TRUST for his FAMILY and CHARITIES, this is such an EVIL WORK what they have done in Murdering Michael Jackson and the Legacy they want people to BELIEVE.
 
um...he left 'everything' to people he fired?

he fired branca EACH TIME b/c of b.s. lies that someone told him. the last time, it was konizger who lied and said he had a lawyer who could prove branca was stealing...he never produced the proof and ron only did that cuz he wanted branca's position.

furthermore there is a PRIVATE trust in which his neices and nephews are more than likely named. y'all, what has branca done thus far to make u doubt him?
 
um...he left 'everything' to people he fired?

he fired branca EACH TIME b/c of b.s. lies that someone told him. the last time, it was konizger who lied and said he had a lawyer who could prove branca was stealing...he never produced the proof and ron only did that cuz he wanted branca's position.

furthermore there is a PRIVATE trust in which his neices and nephews are more than likely named. y'all, what has branca done thus far to make u doubt him?


The point is though why would michael sign a will that doesn't have the correct names of his children, and also that the executtors were also the witnesses, that sounds fishy to me. He also tried to exclude Katherine

The trust is being run by Branca so he will be able to fiddle money, and he has been corrupt in the past.
 
I've got this from another blog.
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The Truth

Michael Jackson final will a part of the Murder Conspiracy
Michael Jackson was in Harlem July, 6th, 2002.

Michael Jackson speaks out against the then CEO of Sony Music, Tommy Mottola, in Harlem, New York on July 6th 2002

July 7, 2002 Michael calls Tommy Mottola a racist

Multiplatinum singer Michael Jackson, already feuding with his record company, charged Saturday that the recording industry was a racist conspiracy that turns profits at the expense of performers — particularly minority artists.

Michael was in New York City with Johnnie Cochran Jr. and Al Sharpton on 6 July 2002. If a will was made in fear of these battles with Tommy Mottola and Sony, why make a will with incompetent people and he when had Johnnie in his corner. He had to consult with him. Trace Michael from New York City on 6 July 2002. This is 2:00 pm New York City time and he had to take a 6 hour flight which means he had to leave New York City by about 6 am Monday to California to go straight to them. Do you buy this? I smell a fish.

The alleged will was executed 7 July 2002 at 5:00PM in Los Angeles

I am tired of hearing how much the Beatles catalog is worth, upwards to $1 Billion. Michael sold close to 800 Million records and is the hottest thing in music since himself. So why we do not we hear about the Michael Jackson catalog and its value?

Did you know Michael has a trademark on his name with the United Sates Trademark and Patent Office? I mean how much is the name Michael Jackson worth. I mean from the 200 songs unreleased to the possibility of a Michael Jackson museum. Any business done is his name has to be approved, unlike Dr. King for example whose family waited years to copyright his material and still may not have trademark the name Dr. King, any commercial use of Michael’s name has to respect the trademark.

The name Michael Joseph Jackson ® can be worth billions over the years. Michael intellectual property should not be undervalued and if so the undervalued assets should be what the Jackson family swipes up. I take the Michael catalog over a Beatles catalog any day as far as the bang for the buck and the name Michael Jackson ® cannot be worth a penny under one billion dollars. The Jackson family has to be aware of how his estate is valued and go for the bang for the buck and perhaps let go of the over-valued stuff to pay off the debts, to keep some liquid capital. I am sick of hearing about the Beatles their fan base has all the money now but is the over the hill gang. They are the baby boomers and will soon fade away. If the Beatles is worth 1 Billion Dollars Michael catalog has to be worth 3 Billion Dollars, his catalog has longevity as some is yet to be realized by the public.

What Happens if You Don’t Have a Will or Trust?

If someone dies without a will or trust, they die “intestate” and the laws of intestate succession are used to determine who will inherit the estate. In California, who will receive the estate depends on answering a series of questions about the person who died.

This is my position mother Katherine Jackson can take custody of the trust because the will in invalid, therefore the named trustees are not valid, and she can choose the charities to donate to and not those crooks.

Because if he is intestate he had not only no will but no trust. Michael Joseph Jackson had a trust which gives Mother Katherine and the children a 40% to 40% split and 20% to charities to be determine later. Therefore she should withdraw the motion to probate the estate as intestate and recognize the trust but not the trustees as named in the invalid will.

This means she will be the trustee and can choose how to best distribute the charitable contributions, in the best interest of her family. We are talking about $100 Million in discretionary funds, that can be used to support causes that they find close to them and not those crooks claiming to be the trustees in a clearly invalid will. Not only that but the $100 Million can be invested and turned over prior to being donated. And all of this should be to mother Katherine’s desecration.

On page four there is major error. OK the will should end with the witnesses’ signatures that is not shown but assumed to be in the empty space.

Here is where they screwed up, on page 4 it says on section VIII and I quote:

On the date written below, Michael Joseph Jackson, declare us the undersigned…

Problem the date is above the name Michael Joseph Jackson, I believe Michael dead intestate. Furthermore he signs his initial on each section or page, but not his full initials MJJ, which is his trademark, he signed MJ we have to ask why? Was he under duress? Was a gun to his head? Was this his way of telling us something is wrong?

And the optional provision concerning said initials was not mentioned in the will at all. Usually when you use this provision it is stated or at least should be assumed that any section absent of it is not valid. Is a partial initial a valid authentication?

I smell a fish; I would contest the will if it is not in the family favor. His estate should go to his family under the law of having no will.............

Under the law of intestate a child is either a person who is your biological child or was legally adopted. In this case neither criterion qualifies.

Another Problem

Bear with me it has been a while since I studied Estates, Trusts and Wills. What I do not understand is why they closed the will saying they know Michael is in sound mind and bunch of unnecessary bullshit about not being under duress; let me show you how it should have been done:

I, so and so a resident of so and so, California, being of sound mind and memory and at least eighteen (18) years of age, do hereby make, publish and declare this to be my last will and testament, hereby revoking all prior wills and codicils at any time heretofore made by me.

Notice the most important point about this bullshit will, Michael has to make the statement that he is of Sound Mind and Memory and not them saying he is of sound mind to the best of their knowledge, Michael could have been high on drugs for all they knew. This was not the work of a competent lawyer.

Michael declared that Debbie Rowe was not his wife and he had three children and his mother is the guardian of his three children. He intentional omitted to provide for Debbie Rowe and basically he created a trust called the Michael Jackson Family Trust.

It is said that his Mother Katherine Jackson is the beneficiary of the trust and his children are included in the will. What does this mean to me?

What I believe Michael created was what is called a testamentary trust, which is trust created by a will and takes effect when the settlor (testator) dies. Therefore the trust was established in 2002 but now that Michael has deceased it takes effect. Therefore his mother has the right to immediately take control of the estate, but where is the death certificate to probate the will?

Now Mother Katherine is the beneficiary basically meaning she will receive control over the trust. My understanding of what is being said is basically Michael invested his assets in order to gain greater value and basically assigned his mother as the agent to control the distribution probably of the income and value of said assets to his family as defined in the trust.

He setup something that his siblings cannot destroy by living extravagant or wasteful lifestyles. The bottom line is he provided for his family in a way that they may never hurt for anything but cannot do everything that crosses their minds and destroys the estate he built. I believe the Michael Jackson Family Trust; will continue to grow for many years to come. Michael Jackson will last as long as there is an United States of America. Encore!


MJJ Last Will and Testament

I am just curious about something and will be straight to the point. They say Michael Jackson owes about $80 Million in estate taxes known as death taxes. This mean he has about 10 months for his estate to pay this to the federal government. This also mean that Michael’s estate exceeds a net figure of a minimum of $3.5 Million, but more like $200 Million after debts are paid.

In his Final will they are now going by it requires that his debts to be paid prior to his beneficiaries are to receive their settlement, which is a very good protection mechanism. Here is my question why are they being offered a stipend while all the wheeling and dealing takes place to settle the estates debts, when the death tax exempts $3.5 Million from taxes.

Here is my point if they owe death taxes his estate exceeds $3.5 Million net after taxes and other debts. Therefore Michael’s child and his mother who are the beneficiaries already have $3.5 Million that belongs to them minus 20% to charity. This comes out to 40% to the children and 40% to Mother Katherine or $1.45 Million to the Children and $1.45 to Mother Katherine and $600,000 to a charity to be held in escrow. I might be wrong but I doubt it, the Jackson Family has a RIGHT to $2.9 Million immediately after it is established Michael owes even one dime in estate taxes, because it is therefore established his estate exceeds $3.5 Million after all debts are paid. They (the court) has no right to withhold this money from this family. And Katherine has the right to do with her share of the money as she pleases this is about control and it is wrong.

http://frankpaulgamb...-and-testament/
 
The point is though why would michael sign a will that doesn't have the correct names of his children, and also that the executtors were also the witnesses, that sounds fishy to me. He also tried to exclude Katherine

The trust is being run by Branca so he will be able to fiddle money, and he has been corrupt in the past.
u forget mcclain first off and PROVE he's been corrupt in the past.

those were just allegatoins on the part of a man hired by a crook who wanted to take b ranca's place...remember mr. unindicted co-conspirator ron kon? he was the one who hired legrande, who, btw didn't provide any proof of off shore accounts or double dipping or anything of the sort. but they inserted enough doubt into mj's head that he fired branca...again.

but alas, they were gone from the picture and mj called him back.

his mother wasn't left from the will. how so?
 
The point is though why would michael sign a will that doesn't have the correct names of his children, and also that the executtors were also the witnesses, that sounds fishy to me. He also tried to exclude Katherine

The trust is being run by Branca so he will be able to fiddle money, and he has been corrupt in the past.


The plan is for Branca aka The EXECUTIONER which has not paid any of Michael's SO CALLED DEBTS because like Dick Gregory said the only DEBTS Michael had where the ones they had CREATED, so after they continue their CONSPIRACY with their CO-CONSPIRATORS to place before the courts LAWSUITS against Michael's Estate and DEBTS in riduculous AMOUNT, they will continue the EMBLEZZLMENT of a DEAD MAN's ESTATE by LAUNDERING his ESTATE MONEY PAY-OFFs. Its no doubt the IRS are already INVOLVED and watching their every MOVE. But first they must MARKET all the BEATLES MUSIC being paid for with Michael's Estate Money, and hide as Much of Michael's Millions in PRIVATE ACCOUNTS of FAMILY, FRIENDS, FAKE BUSINESS as Possible, then hopefully they will hand Mrs. Katherine Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson, Paris Kathrine Michael Jackson and Prince Michael Joseph Jackson II about 2 million to divide amongest each other. The Will is WHY Michael was Murdered everything is because of The Will which Michael didnt have because he set up a TRUST. So his Moles must continue to send Red Herrings outs and try to Brainwash everyone into thinking Michael just had a Will, but they know now that his DEATH has being ruled a MURDER their JOB just got alot harder and more EXPOSABLE and that means in COURT and trust me they have not and CANNOT PAY everyone off whom they will have to CONFRONT. The best thing so far they think they did was SHUT Michael Jackson Fans down so they wouldnt protest at every Court Hearing. Michael Jackson would still be alive if it wasnt for this Fake Will ESTATE ATTORNEY John Branca CREATED.
 
I've got this from another blog.
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The Truth

Michael Jackson final will a part of the Murder Conspiracy
Michael Jackson was in Harlem July, 6th, 2002.

Michael Jackson speaks out against the then CEO of Sony Music, Tommy Mottola, in Harlem, New York on July 6th 2002

July 7, 2002 Michael calls Tommy Mottola a racist

Multiplatinum singer Michael Jackson, already feuding with his record company, charged Saturday that the recording industry was a racist conspiracy that turns profits at the expense of performers — particularly minority artists.

Michael was in New York City with Johnnie Cochran Jr. and Al Sharpton on 6 July 2002. If a will was made in fear of these battles with Tommy Mottola and Sony, why make a will with incompetent people and he when had Johnnie in his corner. He had to consult with him. Trace Michael from New York City on 6 July 2002. This is 2:00 pm New York City time and he had to take a 6 hour flight which means he had to leave New York City by about 6 am Monday to California to go straight to them. Do you buy this? I smell a fish.

The alleged will was executed 7 July 2002 at 5:00PM in Los Angeles

I am tired of hearing how much the Beatles catalog is worth, upwards to $1 Billion. Michael sold close to 800 Million records and is the hottest thing in music since himself. So why we do not we hear about the Michael Jackson catalog and its value?

Did you know Michael has a trademark on his name with the United Sates Trademark and Patent Office? I mean how much is the name Michael Jackson worth. I mean from the 200 songs unreleased to the possibility of a Michael Jackson museum. Any business done is his name has to be approved, unlike Dr. King for example whose family waited years to copyright his material and still may not have trademark the name Dr. King, any commercial use of Michael’s name has to respect the trademark.

The name Michael Joseph Jackson ® can be worth billions over the years. Michael intellectual property should not be undervalued and if so the undervalued assets should be what the Jackson family swipes up. I take the Michael catalog over a Beatles catalog any day as far as the bang for the buck and the name Michael Jackson ® cannot be worth a penny under one billion dollars. The Jackson family has to be aware of how his estate is valued and go for the bang for the buck and perhaps let go of the over-valued stuff to pay off the debts, to keep some liquid capital. I am sick of hearing about the Beatles their fan base has all the money now but is the over the hill gang. They are the baby boomers and will soon fade away. If the Beatles is worth 1 Billion Dollars Michael catalog has to be worth 3 Billion Dollars, his catalog has longevity as some is yet to be realized by the public.

What Happens if You Don’t Have a Will or Trust?

If someone dies without a will or trust, they die “intestate” and the laws of intestate succession are used to determine who will inherit the estate. In California, who will receive the estate depends on answering a series of questions about the person who died.

This is my position mother Katherine Jackson can take custody of the trust because the will in invalid, therefore the named trustees are not valid, and she can choose the charities to donate to and not those crooks.

Because if he is intestate he had not only no will but no trust. Michael Joseph Jackson had a trust which gives Mother Katherine and the children a 40% to 40% split and 20% to charities to be determine later. Therefore she should withdraw the motion to probate the estate as intestate and recognize the trust but not the trustees as named in the invalid will.

This means she will be the trustee and can choose how to best distribute the charitable contributions, in the best interest of her family. We are talking about $100 Million in discretionary funds, that can be used to support causes that they find close to them and not those crooks claiming to be the trustees in a clearly invalid will. Not only that but the $100 Million can be invested and turned over prior to being donated. And all of this should be to mother Katherine’s desecration.

On page four there is major error. OK the will should end with the witnesses’ signatures that is not shown but assumed to be in the empty space.

Here is where they screwed up, on page 4 it says on section VIII and I quote:

On the date written below, Michael Joseph Jackson, declare us the undersigned…

Problem the date is above the name Michael Joseph Jackson, I believe Michael dead intestate. Furthermore he signs his initial on each section or page, but not his full initials MJJ, which is his trademark, he signed MJ we have to ask why? Was he under duress? Was a gun to his head? Was this his way of telling us something is wrong?

And the optional provision concerning said initials was not mentioned in the will at all. Usually when you use this provision it is stated or at least should be assumed that any section absent of it is not valid. Is a partial initial a valid authentication?

I smell a fish; I would contest the will if it is not in the family favor. His estate should go to his family under the law of having no will.............

Under the law of intestate a child is either a person who is your biological child or was legally adopted. In this case neither criterion qualifies.

Another Problem

Bear with me it has been a while since I studied Estates, Trusts and Wills. What I do not understand is why they closed the will saying they know Michael is in sound mind and bunch of unnecessary bullshit about not being under duress; let me show you how it should have been done:

I, so and so a resident of so and so, California, being of sound mind and memory and at least eighteen (18) years of age, do hereby make, publish and declare this to be my last will and testament, hereby revoking all prior wills and codicils at any time heretofore made by me.

Notice the most important point about this bullshit will, Michael has to make the statement that he is of Sound Mind and Memory and not them saying he is of sound mind to the best of their knowledge, Michael could have been high on drugs for all they knew. This was not the work of a competent lawyer.

Michael declared that Debbie Rowe was not his wife and he had three children and his mother is the guardian of his three children. He intentional omitted to provide for Debbie Rowe and basically he created a trust called the Michael Jackson Family Trust.

It is said that his Mother Katherine Jackson is the beneficiary of the trust and his children are included in the will. What does this mean to me?

What I believe Michael created was what is called a testamentary trust, which is trust created by a will and takes effect when the settlor (testator) dies. Therefore the trust was established in 2002 but now that Michael has deceased it takes effect. Therefore his mother has the right to immediately take control of the estate, but where is the death certificate to probate the will?

Now Mother Katherine is the beneficiary basically meaning she will receive control over the trust. My understanding of what is being said is basically Michael invested his assets in order to gain greater value and basically assigned his mother as the agent to control the distribution probably of the income and value of said assets to his family as defined in the trust.

He setup something that his siblings cannot destroy by living extravagant or wasteful lifestyles. The bottom line is he provided for his family in a way that they may never hurt for anything but cannot do everything that crosses their minds and destroys the estate he built. I believe the Michael Jackson Family Trust; will continue to grow for many years to come. Michael Jackson will last as long as there is an United States of America. Encore!


MJJ Last Will and Testament

I am just curious about something and will be straight to the point. They say Michael Jackson owes about $80 Million in estate taxes known as death taxes. This mean he has about 10 months for his estate to pay this to the federal government. This also mean that Michael’s estate exceeds a net figure of a minimum of $3.5 Million, but more like $200 Million after debts are paid.

In his Final will they are now going by it requires that his debts to be paid prior to his beneficiaries are to receive their settlement, which is a very good protection mechanism. Here is my question why are they being offered a stipend while all the wheeling and dealing takes place to settle the estates debts, when the death tax exempts $3.5 Million from taxes.

Here is my point if they owe death taxes his estate exceeds $3.5 Million net after taxes and other debts. Therefore Michael’s child and his mother who are the beneficiaries already have $3.5 Million that belongs to them minus 20% to charity. This comes out to 40% to the children and 40% to Mother Katherine or $1.45 Million to the Children and $1.45 to Mother Katherine and $600,000 to a charity to be held in escrow. I might be wrong but I doubt it, the Jackson Family has a RIGHT to $2.9 Million immediately after it is established Michael owes even one dime in estate taxes, because it is therefore established his estate exceeds $3.5 Million after all debts are paid. They (the court) has no right to withhold this money from this family. And Katherine has the right to do with her share of the money as she pleases this is about control and it is wrong.

http://frankpaulgamb...-and-testament/



ABSOLUTELY GREAT POST AMBER, THE TRUTH John Branca is going to PRISON.
 
who do u think created mj's debt? look at little steven randall and maybe he should foot the bill sinc ehe was teh manager when all this crap was going down.
 
Who created MJ's debt? That's a great question!

... there's been a big long list of people acting both by themselves and as co-conspirators, in compiling problems and lawsuits and generally doing whatever they could to bring MJ down for many years in my opinion; and overall, they should ALL come under scruitiny, for their various roles and any connections they have with each other.

I also question the debt/asset figures that have been bandied around anyway, but if they are true, then some folks had obviously been doing a real good job managing MJ's money over the years, I don't think! :( - So, yes investigate everyone thoroughly, going right back to the beginning!

But I guess people in this thread are talking here just about the will, so are just focusing on the executors/admins, and any will related folks just now here. So, it's right to also flag up McClain, someone else to look into, to see how, where & why he fits into all of this; also the apparent third executor that was, and why he resigned?

If people are trying to pull a fast one with this Will, I doubt they'd have left it so wide open to criticism, as to leave MJ's mother, katherine, out of the picture altogether, no one would have bought that, so I'm guessing So-so Deaf, that suggestion might have been a joke?

I'm not surprised that people are suspicious about John Branca though, given that he came back in so close to when MJ died :( and he's the one that presented the Will, after MJ's family had said he had died intestate.

I don't really know whether MJ called John Branca back or not for certain, how can we know that? Do you know that for certain So-so Deaf?
I think I saw footage of Frank DiLeo saying it was his suggestion to bring Branca back, but that's all I really know for sure about that anyway. I'm not even sure about Frank, due to certain other things too but again that's O/T for this thread.

John Branca has connections to Sony & Music Industry connections generally speaking, plus he reportedly sold back his 2.5% share of the Sony/ATV catalogue, when he and MJ parted company, why would he do that I wonder?

As an aside to that, what about the Mijac catalogue, that never gets mentioned, that's in hock to Sony too isn't it?
- I have a feeling that not everything is as it seems in regard to all of that.

The point about LeGrande's testimony though, to me, was that whilst he was hired by Konitzer initially, to look for and find that evidence on Branca (that John Branca had that offshore account with Motolla, that Sony was paying money into); LeGrand also investigated Konitzer and the others around MJ too at the same time.
So it at least sounds like LeGrande was trying to find out the true overall picture to me, so why would he state something that wasn't true? Remember, he also actually stated that he'd found that Konitzer & Wiesner, were on the make too. I think it's important to make it clear, that at the time of the testimony, LeGrande wasn't working for Konitzer, Konitzer had sacked him off when he'd started asking him questions about what he'd done with certain monies too. So it didn't appear to me, that LeGrande was taking any sides when he testified about those things, just stating what he'd actually found out about everyone. The only one he left out of that picture was Malnik & that may have been out of fear.

I wasn't there, but MJ was suspcious himself of Sony Music people; Motolla; the industry people and anyone associated with them and those suspicions extended before and beyond that trial I think. I think the fact that MJ was suspicious about these connections, makes me automatically suspicious too and no, I don't believe those suspicions were just down to Konitzer. I sincerely doubt there was anyone ever around MJ business-wise, that is above and beyond corruption or suspicion, so equally I'm suspicious about anyone who is trying to manage MJ's affairs now too and wondering who is behind what aspect of whatever really happened to him.


I don't think I trust Branca/McClain's legal rep Wietzman either - if it's the same Howard Wietzman?, he was a part of the outfit that pushed for the early settlement in the Chandler case, that Sony were after. To me, they were either in it with Chandler, or in it with Sony, or both, but whatever, Wietzman & Cochran, never did MJ any favours in my opinion then, because in someways, that settlement to Chandler, has hung over MJ's head negatively, more so than the later trialed case that he fought and won did.

Plus O/T a bit, but why is Branca/McClain's lawyer Wietzman, sticking his neck out to defend Klein's character against Hoefflin?

I don't know what to think, as they are all shady these lawyers and business advisers to me they are all under suspicion, but even putting shady business people to one side, there have been some good points made about the actual will itself, the children's names, the birthright of survivors, the result of a will/trust failure, the fact that this will was created the day after the Sony speech ... more food for thought all of it ... hmmmm
 
Who created MJ's debt? That's a great question!

... there's been a big long list of people acting both by themselves and as co-conspirators, in compiling problems and lawsuits and generally doing whatever they could to bring MJ down for many years in my opinion; and overall, they should ALL come under scruitiny, for their various roles and any connections they have with each other.

I also question the debt/asset figures that have been bandied around anyway, but if they are true, then some folks had obviously been doing a real good job managing MJ's money over the years, I don't think! :( - So, yes investigate everyone thoroughly, going right back to the beginning!

But I guess people in this thread are talking here just about the will, so are just focusing on the executors/admins, and any will related folks just now here. So, it's right to also flag up McClain, someone else to look into, to see how, where & why he fits into all of this; also the apparent third executor that was, and why he resigned?

If people are trying to pull a fast one with this Will, I doubt they'd have left it so wide open to criticism, as to leave MJ's mother, katherine, out of the picture altogether, no one would have bought that, so I'm guessing So-so Deaf, that suggestion might have been a joke?

I'm not surprised that people are suspicious about John Branca though, given that he came back in so close to when MJ died :( and he's the one that presented the Will, after MJ's family had said he had died intestate.

I don't really know whether MJ called John Branca back or not for certain, how can we know that? Do you know that for certain So-so Deaf?
I think I saw footage of Frank DiLeo saying it was his suggestion to bring Branca back, but that's all I really know for sure about that anyway. I'm not even sure about Frank, due to certain other things too but again that's O/T for this thread.

John Branca has connections to Sony & Music Industry connections generally speaking, plus he reportedly sold back his 2.5% share of the Sony/ATV catalogue, when he and MJ parted company, why would he do that I wonder?

As an aside to that, what about the Mijac catalogue, that never gets mentioned, that's in hock to Sony too isn't it?
- I have a feeling that not everything is as it seems in regard to all of that.

The point about LeGrande's testimony though, to me, was that whilst he was hired by Konitzer initially, to look for and find that evidence on Branca (that John Branca had that offshore account with Motolla, that Sony was paying money into); LeGrand also investigated Konitzer and the others around MJ too at the same time.
So it at least sounds like LeGrande was trying to find out the true overall picture to me, so why would he state something that wasn't true? Remember, he also actually stated that he'd found that Konitzer & Wiesner, were on the make too. I think it's important to make it clear, that at the time of the testimony, LeGrande wasn't working for Konitzer, Konitzer had sacked him off when he'd started asking him questions about what he'd done with certain monies too. So it didn't appear to me, that LeGrande was taking any sides when he testified about those things, just stating what he'd actually found out about everyone. The only one he left out of that picture was Malnik & that may have been out of fear.

I wasn't there, but MJ was suspcious himself of Sony Music people; Motolla; the industry people and anyone associated with them and those suspicions extended before and beyond that trial I think. I think the fact that MJ was suspicious about these connections, makes me automatically suspicious too and no, I don't believe those suspicions were just down to Konitzer. I sincerely doubt there was anyone ever around MJ business-wise, that is above and beyond corruption or suspicion, so equally I'm suspicious about anyone who is trying to manage MJ's affairs now too and wondering who is behind what aspect of whatever really happened to him.


I don't think I trust Branca/McClain's legal rep Wietzman either - if it's the same Howard Wietzman?, he was a part of the outfit that pushed for the early settlement in the Chandler case, that Sony were after. To me, they were either in it with Chandler, or in it with Sony, or both, but whatever, Wietzman & Cochran, never did MJ any favours in my opinion then, because in someways, that settlement to Chandler, has hung over MJ's head negatively, more so than the later trialed case that he fought and won did.

Plus O/T a bit, but why is Branca/McClain's lawyer Wietzman, sticking his neck out to defend Klein's character against Hoefflin?

I don't know what to think, as they are all shady these lawyers and business advisers to me they are all under suspicion, but even putting shady business people to one side, there have been some good points made about the actual will itself, the children's names, the birthright of survivors, the result of a will/trust failure, the fact that this will was created the day after the Sony speech ... more food for thought all of it ... hmmmm



I Appaluded you, I couldnt have said it better myself. I mean if there was a poll today I believe MOST people would vote "THEY DO NOT BELIEVE MICHAEL EVEN SPOKE WITH JOHN BRANCA SINCE RETURNING TO THE USA LET ALONE HIRING HIM THE WEEK BEFORE HE WAS MURDERED", Ive NEVER believe Michael hired John the week before he was murdered, nothing but LIES and John Branca and ALL those who help him carry this LIE will PAY. This is real LIFE and Michael Jackson was MURDERED and when there is a Murder there is ALWAYS A MOTIVE. That is why it is so important that Mrs. Katherine Jacson CONTEST this WILL, thats why JOHN BRANCA thought by putting the "NO CONTEST CLAUSE" in John Branca's made for Michael Jackson Murder WILL he was SAFE, he never thought Michael's Murder would be ruled a HOMICIDE nor did he ever think "A JUDGE WOULD RULE OVER THE NO CONTEST CLAUSE", so Mr. John Branca is now 2 STRIKES and he has "1" Strike left before he strikes completely out and end up in PRISON and I would say John Boy is on the home mound and its Batter UP.
 
I get hysterical when I see Branca and McClain name on the This Is It poster.These crooks are in the limelight. Well I hate AEG and Sony like hell too.
I wonder if they are in the real will? as this is not Michael's wishes. After 2002 Michael had changed and he wanted everything for his kids only..
 
What do you think guys about the signed date of 2002 will?

Michael Jackson speaks out against the then CEO of Sony Music, Tommy Mottola, in Harlem, New York on July 6th 2002

July 7, 2002 Michael calls Tommy Mottola a racist

The alleged will was executed 7 July 2002 at 5:00PM in Los Angeles

Is this possible?

I believe Frank Dileo is on AEG's payroll. He called John Branca as he was advised by AEG and Sony.

Moonlight, great post, I guess it's ok to discuss about other 'handlers' - lawyers, accountants, managers and business partners and also doctors who 'controlled' Michael's mood - in this thread as well. We can start from 2002 will and current situation and go all the way back.

I couldn't help myself but getting teary all day today, this is so unbearable what these people had done and still doing to Michael.
 
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That is an interesting observation Amber.

I felt very teary yesterday too after listening to those rabbi tapes and realising that he is in cahoots with the media to try and turn homicide into suicide.

Because the truth is leaking out, they have to run opposite stories to distract from the truth.
 
Thanks Gaiaschild, I haven't listened to rabbi tapes yet. It's horrible that media trying to turn homicide into suicide. Well it's not something media never done before. so no surprise there. The way estate executors, AEG and Sony are rushing to cash out as much as they could in in 3 months, looks like they are aware that time is running out.
 
I be honest with you guys, I kind of took a step back this weekend. All of this takes a lot out of a person. I am so disgusted by the whole lot of them. I keep thinking how human beings can do this to another human, especially one like Mike. I'm with you parli I HATE Sony, AEG, and Colony. I never despised anyone the way I despise these people. All I know is we have a lot of work to do to get to the bottom of this all, and they are making it really hard.
 
I really can't believe the nerve of the media. One dumb azz guy and they take every word out of his mouth like it's the gospel. If they even try to plays this off as a suicide they are all idiots. The writing is on the wall. It was murder.

I was thinking about this yesterday, It's only been 3 months, damn they wasted no time to cash in, is this not suspicious. Why the rush. All of this is so tasteless.
 
Was Michael Jackson suppose to work all his LIFE to leave everything to people he FIRED and didnt even like him and more than likely are the ones who MURDERED him ? ? ? is that what he was suppose to do leave everything to his enemies ? ? ? what these MURDERERS should have done is included Michael's Nieces and Nephews whom he Loved Dearly since they want to spread rumors that he was "estranged from his family" they should have made it look a little real but they where to GREEDY for that, the Jackson Family is HUGE and they want everyone to believe their LIES like Michael didnt LOVE his FAMILY. All one have to ask is WHO is the FAKE WILL benefitting right now ? ? ? Thats why the JACKSONS ARE NOT ASKING ANYTHING OF MICHAEL's ESTATE when most Families would have that FAKE WILL tied up in NAVY KNOTS by now. Wonderful Family showing nothing but Grace, Courage and Faith.





Great Thread as usual Gaiaschild. The FAKE WILL is the Motive why Michael was Murdered without this FAKE WILL they would have NOTHING - ABSOLUTELY NO POWER, this gave them ALL the POWER they need. Michael Jackson would still be alive if Katherine had a copy of this so called WILL, but they destroyed every copy of the Real Will and replaced it with the one naming John Branca as EXECUTIONER, it really shows just how EVIL this world and the evil people have become because Im sure Michael left a BEAUTIFUL TRUST for his FAMILY and CHARITIES, this is such an EVIL WORK what they have done in Murdering Michael Jackson and the Legacy they want people to BELIEVE.

BRAVO!

Yes the will is fake. John Branca is the number one beneficiary IMO he controls everything. He is involved in the murder. Both he and a certain record company should be questioned by the police. Of coarse this will never happen. Also(about the vid) Michael was taking perscription medications but he was not an addict an the Propofol stories are fabrications. Murray introduced this into MJ system; that was his job and why he will not go to jail.


Branca is a part of this murder he is a servant to the same group that run entertainment, music and media and hated MJ. They are the priciples here. They were the ones who kept MJ in court, who slandered his name and tried to end his career for the last 16 years. They are the ones whom said "he must sell that catalog", "He's broke", "He's W@**o" and they arec the same ones telling us he a "drug addict." Remember this was and is being done for a reason and a purpose. The Jackson's aswell as Londell know MJ was murdered and for the SONY music publishing worht billion(s) $5,000,000,000. They also know if they fight they will get nothing and the controlled corporate MJ bias media goes to work on the Jackson family's reputations and possibly could lose the children & the estate.


Yes the Courts and the Police are bought and paid for.


This is why they make "noise" but do not expose the obviously phony will. Those who belive the lies of the media only process information yet cannot think beyond what they are told.

 
What do you think guys about the signed date of 2002 will?

Michael Jackson speaks out against the then CEO of Sony Music, Tommy Mottola, in Harlem, New York on July 6th 2002

July 7, 2002 Michael calls Tommy Mottola a racist

The alleged will was executed 7 July 2002 at 5:00PM in Los Angeles

Is this possible?

I believe Frank Dileo is on AEG's payroll. He called John Branca as he was advised by AEG and Sony.

Moonlight, great post, I guess it's ok to discuss about other 'handlers' - lawyers, accountants, managers and business partners and also doctors who 'controlled' Michael's mood - in this thread as well. We can start from 2002 will and current situation and go all the way back.

I couldn't help myself but getting teary all day today, this is so unbearable what these people had done and still doing to Michael.



Michael told Dick Gregory "THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL ME" and THEY are MANY that PLANNED and CARRIED out this HORRIFIC MURDER planned to Look Like an OVERDOSE but LA COUNTY has told them YOU ALL LIED ITS A MURDER AND ITS OFFICAL, I would bet Michael dropped specific names with Mr. Gregory, I really believe this is going to bust the Entertainment World Wide Open with their Greedy Shady Emblezzling Murdering Selves. I know the DEA and FBI and IRS are Hot on their trail they have opened up a whole new can of whopazz on the Music and Film Industry because they all are tied in together. Amber I believe you just lit a "FIRE" on these DATES and TIME when Michael alledgedly signed this FAKE Will, Great Find you pulled together this needs to brought to the attention of Katherine Jackson NOW. Its obvious in all the years they planned Michael Jackson's MURDER they still didnt think it all the way through and they have really left themselves wide open. I believe Mrs. Jackson hired a PI early on and if so I know he is hard at work with this much information they have left exposed because the way the planned and carried out Michael Jackson Murder there was just no way they could have COVERED ALL THEIR BASES and the date and time they used is whats revealing everything, they waited along time to Kill Michael Jackson but they did pick the wrong date and time after all but they where in a HURRY because they knew if they let him board that plane for LONDON and once he hit that 02 Stage EVERYONE including ALL his HATERS and LIARS everyone would know MICHAEL JACKSON IS BETTER THAN EVER and he would have become the most POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD and they all would have BEEN WITHOUT A JOB once he returned back to the USA. Michael was after all very hard to kill mainly because he kept his body in such GOOD HEALTH WITHOUT DRUGS and they never could get around that because they knew you cant deceived FORENSICS in a HEALTHY PERSON even with the poisioning of his FOOD AND HEALTH DRINKS and when Michael thought he was getting B12 and Vitamins Injections they where putting something else in their deadly needles drugging him all they had was LIES THEY COULD GIVE TO THE MEDIA AND FANS EVEN HIS FAMILY and there was no way not "1" of their LIES would stand after he hit that stage, so now they want to BOOTLEG his PERFORMANCE and SELL it as a REHERSAL DVD this is so SLAUNDOUS, MICHAEL JACKSON would have NEVER APPROVED of a SELL like this he gave his FANS 300% just the way Michael was dressed he would have NEVER ALLOWED this and thats not because he was ASHAMED its the QUALITY of ENTERTAINMENT MICHAEL ALWAYS gave his FANs, these GREEDY HEATHENS should be ASHAMED marketing any "THIS IS IT" and certainly it should not be at any Theaters and I will continue to HONOR Michael Jackson BY NOT TAKING PART in anything that has to do with "THIS IS IT" . Looks like the saying still stands NO MURDER IS PERFECT. Thanks again Amber Great Looking Out !
 
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