Janet talks about 1/2 Sister and Joe

I doubt MJ was this wounded soul that could not find love in a cold world. Why do some of you people like to view MJ as this weakling that can't seem to get things together?

This is off-topic, but you have mentioned something that's annoyed me at times.

You can obviously see that he's a sensitive guy, but sometimes it is nauseating the extent of how some fans talk about him like a delicate little flower. It's almost emasculating sometimes. As gentle, kind, idealistic, and child-spirited as Michael Jackson is, I do believe he's a highly intelligent man whose will is incredibly powerful, considering the fact that he's still going today all things considered. I couldn't even comprehend being Michael Jackson in the trial time period. If he was anywhere near the baby a handful of fangirls paint him as, he probably would've killed himself by now. But alas, here he is not only continuing life, but his music career. That's not a weakling. Also coupled with the fact that there's nothing childish about him as a businessman whatsoever. Not exactly the soul of a little boy when he makes some of those business ventures, is he? Sounds more like a successful guy who knows what he wants and usually gets it.
 
I've also noticed another nauseating trend: every non-Michael post turning into being all about Michael. :lol:

Shh, don't tell anybody.
 
This is off-topic, but you have mentioned something that's annoyed me at times.

You can obviously see that he's a sensitive guy, but sometimes it is nauseating the extent of how some fans talk about him like a delicate little flower. It's almost emasculating sometimes. As gentle, kind, idealistic, and child-spirited as Michael Jackson is, I do believe he's a highly intelligent man whose will is incredibly powerful, considering the fact that he's still going today all things considered. I couldn't even comprehend being Michael Jackson in the trial time period. If he was anywhere near the baby a handful of fangirls paint him as, he probably would've killed himself by now. But alas, here he is not only continuing life, but his music career. That's not a weakling. Also coupled with the fact that there's nothing childish about him as a businessman whatsoever. Not exactly the soul of a little boy when he makes some of those business ventures, is he? Sounds more like a successful guy who knows what he wants and usually gets it.
Woooooooooohhhh well SAID!!!

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Roxanne, you are so naive. LOL. MJ and that "woman" were "married" and MJ cheated on her. Who would blame him? MJ should have gotten brownie points for that. I agree with you about that marriage and June Chandler is the devil biatch that she is but Michael is a MAN. LOL. I am not going to say anymore about them. This thread is about Janet.

Well, the Parade magazine will be out in the newspapers on Saturday or Sunday. We will see what she really said.


I was not even gonna post another reply and yes, this is a Janet Jackson post, but I have problems with rushed opinions, serious problems:

Believe it or not, Bee, but Debbie IS a woman and yes, they were married for a while, just happened to live separately, it was not a destiny for them; being in a marriage soon after another failed one was not easy for him, and yes, they might have been friends or at least have met each other and spoken to each other at times in the past 20 years and I truly believe they kept contact, he met her and knew long before getting into a marriage with her. And just because she doesn't fit into a beauty canon or in an awfully moral status does not make her some sort of a poor excuse of a human being. Michael could have had a supermodel's children if he wanted, yet he chose his dermatologyst instead, who happened to offer him the children he always wanted. And yes, even though Michael married a woman who was already married at first (then divorced), how can you speculate on the fact that he cheated on Debbie while in his second marriage? Just because they dined or met with LMP even during the marriage with Debbie, while obviously the latter knew of his unresolved feelings with her and needed to clear things up, because his first marriage failed? Comments suggesting someone's infidelity based on a meeting or two is prejudiced; how do you know he has been with June, too? Some people just throw replies left and right to somehow try to prove something or just to protect their steel opinions. Michael has kept contact with other women in his life before, that does not make him a womanizer, a cheater, a sinner. These are your opinions to say otherwise, and I state otherwise, based on many things, on which I am not going to prolong, I don't have time to.

Before spreading out rumors and speculations which you may make them sound like downright truths, think. Don't make rushed assumptions like that, please. Michael is not like every other man, in spite of not being a saint, and mistakes happen everywhere. Just like unfavorable conjectures, reasons determining a person to do certain things.

Sorry for drifting apart, but it is pretty impolite as it is to discuss people's private lives, but just as wrong to assume things as easy as breathing, prejudiced things, for instance.

There is nothing wrong with being honest about your opinions on matters, but more politeness or consideration on certain aspects or when formulating opinions could be useful :)
 
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well, this topic is sort of sad, but really it's about time to forgive and move on it isn't good for the soul.
 
Bull. Those tapes were recorded without his knowledged and were never meant to be released. I do not believe most of the things that he said on there. I think it would be wise if fans would stop relying on private phone conversations to give us an "explanation" about MJ. We should be listening to what he says in his music instead of things he said in some phone calls. I doubt MJ was this wounded soul that could not find love in a cold world. Why do some of you people like to view MJ as this weakling that can't seem to get things together? To assume that he never been in love? To assume that he never have a real relationship? Get a grip, people. This thread is about Janet supposedly saying these things about her father. Not MJ. Damn. Stop relying on crappy phone conversations he had with some nosy woman and put on a MJ CD and listen to him. That is the best way a MJ fan can know about MJ.



Do you even realize the things you say? Recording a private conversation with a friend (an immoral thing to do - but it was her husband recording them, not her) makes the things he says all the more true, instead of him being asked certain things as those publicly, while stressed, not really comfortable. He would not have wasted hours of talking to people on the phone just for the sake of talking, he wanted to confide. He obviously put his trust in that woman as would with other lady friends of his at times, nosy or not, famous or not, especially when not famous, and, therefore, a bit less biased. These unfortunate recordings were, in some ways, awakenings for some people who viewed Michael an impaired person, a child molester or a homosexual, and were intented to be used for the trial as a proof, but later were withdrawn; others (fans or non-fans) even could swear it isn't him, that is how shocked they were hearing him at times. When a person confides in another, he is generally pouring his soul out to that person; whom to speak the complete truth with or frustrations if not privately with friends...or so-called friends if you will? If you don't believe him, that is your business, that does not make it a truth. And whatever he says in his songs is also true, but also art and purpose of relief in some songs, for instance when about relationships and the like. I am not making him a saint at all, but many songs of his (i.e.: the recently leaked snippet of "Got The Hots" or "Give In To Me" and other things like that) are mostly outlets and strong feelings, he exorcises his inner demons creatively for the most part. It is your choice to think that just because a person has a fertile mind and deep inner urges, hell, even sometimes reads or read porn, he is lying about not also living some of these things. Also wrong to hint at him not having much to do with being a Jehova witness / or a a former devout one, because he happens to be a man and feel the things he says or sings about or do, or doesn't do. Apparently, Michael has been categorized throughout the years as either an asexual; a homosexual; a child abuser; more recently even a womanizer or a man who follows his instincts and acts as a result to those instincts, just like any other man or most of them, without thinking. He is none of those things; it imight be true he made a rushed decision involving his first marriage, perhaps his second one as well, but let us not fault him for that without viewing the causes or making it seem at times as a pattern of such behaviours. For instance, he married Debbie because he felt she was his friend, a person whom he can trust (he wouldn't have had let just anyone bear his children, without thinking) and because he didn't want to have children without being married, so there also were religious issues involved. He wanted to live, too, he meant hurting no one and was trying to have a family, and he now has one. He was not a cheater (your typical one) towards Lisa, he wanted a family, trust and friendship, above all things; he was not a cheater one to Debbie (even though they lived separately), he was keeping contact somehow and might have wanted to still be friends with Lisa and even flirt with her a bit, as she, after all, was his wife whom he loved, that does not have to include infidelity, at least not your usual, careless type of it, if you wish. That was my point all along from my first post. And no, simply because people like Shana Mangatal said things on TV around the same time Joanna Thomae did, they are not credible sources at all, but attention seekers firstly; like he said, people often misinterpret his relationships with them, and just because he speaks with other women or contacts them and even flirts with them in his own style, that does not make him a cheater or a woman hunter, he is actually really sweet and charming, and, just like another poster from this forum said a while ago, a dirty mind and a personality like his are a great match.

And to say he wasn't a lost soul looking for love is wrong; he was the type of person to feel lonely in a crowd and be cautious with people's real intentions (which is why he trusted children completely), and just because he has / had many celebrity friends, for instance, that proved not to be enough for him, because he relies on people viewing him for him, not Michael Jackson, the artist. He still does it to this day, and I believe, after the trial, he is even more cautious with confiding and he could be still in search for his love, we don't know. Of course he dated, of course he had and has lady friends, of course he was married, too. And I never viewed him as a weakling, but, in spite of all things happening to him in his life, as a person of incredible strength, actually, probably the strongest person; and, of course he felt weak and insecure many times, especially in his position, it is not at all hard to envision it.

Who assumed he was never in love? Don't attribute fictitious opinions to people. He was in love for sure, more than once, as he said it, and the tonality in his voice and the rest of everything he says repetitively made be believe in what he further said relating this and other issues; and he was balanced enough to be real, as in down-to-earth and funny. And sincere. It doesn't take an expert to hear he wasn't sincere there, you can just feel, because there were things other people would not expect to hear from him when speaking publicly; he was relaxed, not rehearsed, and wasn't lying to himself. Not knowing he was recorded made him sound more truthful than ever; it makes anyone sound more truthful than ever, including about the relationship part (up until that time).

If I see him a better man than most (not perfect), I am not deceiving myself, and those tapes I am continuing to rave about is a solid point, yet far from the only one; but I was pointing it out to those more or less incredulous that tend to not believe most of what he says publicly anyway, so when they don't, unfortunately we have to resort to some immorally recorded conversations instead, which is sad. I am tired of bringing them up, so I won't again. It is called thorough analysis and empathy, and common sense; just because a person is born on the same earth, that does not make one similar to the other. It really is upsetting to read (in general) many people's view of him, so many views about him being distorted for decades, so let's not be quick to draw to conclusions.

I apologise for drifting off from the subject like that, but I wish people could learn to empathize more and not snap with making comments. On other boards, such as MJNO, threads as those would have been closed from the beggining or eventually, as they will lead to nowhere, but more controversy. And by saying that, I include Janet in it, as well. Even if she said those things or not, and so far, we only have a seemingly unreliable source with respect to her alleged words.


P.S.: No personal attacks on you, Bee, just on some of your opinions, I just wanted to point this out.
 
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That's completely news to me. I guess I am more familiar with the usual suspects when it comes to tabloid the likes of Diana D, Fi**** etc I never heard of any info on these peeps tho so thanx again.


The second part is very true that they are family. I got to say that for me I was getting a bit worried tho coz first there was the whole MJ teased me and that's why I am fat thingy with JJ and when this article was posted (also since I didn't know about the reputation of the company) I thought oh no! I really don't want this amazing family to allow media/tabloid to create more anger/rivalry etc between the siblings by further twisting her words etc. I didn't want the focus again on their personal issues etc and not their music coz both MJ and JJ are in a sense 'coming back' with determination and focus in the music world.

It would have been better if it was made clear that this source is unreliable in the way that we do with other trashy tabloids etc. I also think that what Datsy was saying was based on this, the fact that we don't want a change of focus from the music to negativity as we have seen so many times. As we all know there are many others out there who would love for that to happen so that they can bury JJ, MJ etc once and for all. So it seemed 'odd' and unwise to think that JJ will in some way allow it (I don't mean that she shouldn't feel free to say what she wants about her family) but only that if we (regular folks) can see how the media operate then surely she knows and can see much more hence it would have been unproductive IF she had said those things.
Anyways now that we know the source is unreliable, lets move on. :)
Janet has spoken about those things for years though. And so has Michael. The nickname, for one.

donk/donkey
 
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Yeah, I bet you do, Angela.

Yup, a rule for MJ but another rule for everyone else. What you said was so ridiculous, and funny but not intentionally.

Listen, I stand by what I have to say about Janet and Janet has always talked about her family. That is why I am starting to believe that she really did say the stuff that she said but could have been mistated by contactmusic.com. I do not even know why you post on MJ boards considering the fact that you think that MJ is a pedophile and that he does not have vitiligo. Your blog, the floacist really explains your true colors: and obsessed Janet fan that cannot stand the fact that Janet gets "bashed" over at the MJ boards. You can say whatever you want to say about MJ, because no one is paying attention and you should be posting over at the Janet boards that have no issue bashing MJ constantly.

lol

Dang, we can't even have an intelligent debate without Janet fans trashing MJ fans when they tell the truth about Janet. Janet was the one that ALWAYS talked about her family. Always.

Give me a break. Janet is the ONLY one Jackson who refused to talk about her family indepth in interviews, especially Michael. During the trial, whenever asked about Michael and how he was doing, she just left it was 'hes doing very well, thank you'. Jermaine on the other hand, just blabs his mouth away and while he means well, he kind of makes it worse. He couldn't even remember the name vitiligo when he spoke about his skin condition, and Janet did. When Johnathan Ross alluded to his skin color and plastic surgeries, Janet stopped him right there and told him Michael did not purposely change his skin color and spoke about how vitiligo is in her family, and 'he truly does have it, I don't like when people say that' among many things, about why the press always dog him and the Jackson family to sell papers; nothing that Michael hasn't said about 22,490 times before. But because Janet says it, theres something wrong or to complain about.

Jealousy, thats all. And its plain to see.

What was discussed here is not 'the truth' about Janet.
 
Feb. 05 2008


JANET JACKSON has attacked her father JOE for cheating on her mother and having affairs when she was young. The Nasty singer admits she still has no idea how her mother Katherine put up with her husband's infidelities - and she'll never forgive her dad for having an illegitimate child with a Jackson 5 fan. In a fierce new Parade magazine interview, the normally coy pop superstar rages about her love rat father and pays tribute to her mother's strength. She says, "It's a very cold world, and to have gone through what she has had to experience, from having polio as a child to those things with my brother Michael, and then for my father to have had another child. "I've been cheated on a lot. I know what that feels like and how that hurts the heart. But, I mean, to give us a half-sister, I can't even fathom what that's like for mother. "For her to stay with my father all these years and never abandon her kids, that's true love."


http://www.contactmusic.com/news.ns....1058425

Alright, after much bickering and bringing up things that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, I decided to stop posting on this thread until I got the Parade magazine. So, I got the "magazine" from the Philadelphia Inqurier and I read the article. It was a short article and basically this is what was said:

- The article mentioned that Joe had a child out of wedlock by a fan. Janet could have told the interviewer about her father's business, but who knows?

- The article mentioned that five years after that child (who turned out to be JoVonnie) was born, he had another affair with an employee of his sons' record label, Motown.

- The quotes that was pointed by the contactmusic.com site was exactly what Janet said in the article.

- She said about her family, "I've never been able to figure it out" (regarding the hostility against her family). "There's so much more ammunition aganist so many other people yet they're not touched. It is like they're in a glass case".

- The article mentioned this part that I thought was absurd but what do you expect from the media that hates her brother? "Currently, she (Janet) is the most successful member of the famous Jackson family, her career now eclipsing her brother Michael's fading star". LOL! PLEASE! The article did not mentioned her two previous duds, yet she is more successful THAN MICHAEL?!!!! Garbage!

- The article, as I expected, made Janet looked like the innocent victim that she always portrayed in the media. They mentioned her Superbowl incident, but try to imply that it was not as bad as what MJ went through. You know, the typical crap the media always do when they interview Janet - make her sane, reasonable and "better" than Mike. Blah.

Alright, I just wanted to clear any misconceptions and I am through with this thread.
 
This is off-topic, but you have mentioned something that's annoyed me at times.

You can obviously see that he's a sensitive guy, but sometimes it is nauseating the extent of how some fans talk about him like a delicate little flower. It's almost emasculating sometimes. As gentle, kind, idealistic, and child-spirited as Michael Jackson is, I do believe he's a highly intelligent man whose will is incredibly powerful, considering the fact that he's still going today all things considered. I couldn't even comprehend being Michael Jackson in the trial time period. If he was anywhere near the baby a handful of fangirls paint him as, he probably would've killed himself by now. But alas, here he is not only continuing life, but his music career. That's not a weakling. Also coupled with the fact that there's nothing childish about him as a businessman whatsoever. Not exactly the soul of a little boy when he makes some of those business ventures, is he? Sounds more like a successful guy who knows what he wants and usually gets it.

That is a nice description of MJ. You should write a book about the guy. No, I am serious.

Anyway, Angela, why are you still responding to what I said (that is true) about you? LOL. You are a mess.

P.S.: No personal attacks on you, Bee, just on some of your opinions, I just wanted to point this out.

To Alma: I took it personal because I am friends with someone who knows MJ personally and I go by what my friend told me. I based my opinions on MJ by what I was told, what he says and the things he says in his music. I do not based my opinions on private phone convos, the things that Debbie says, or what some lonely fan thinks about MJ. I am a realist and I do not look at MJ as this person that is always lonely, can't find his true love, can't seem to trust people, etc. etc. I am the first one to mentioned that a lot of painful things have happened to him but that is life. The way some of you guys describe MJ is almost like idol worshipping and it is a bit scary. MJ is living a life that none of us can live but he is doing a good job, so far, at that. The way he is described in this thread is scary and a bit pathetic. I do believe that you should say how you feel about Michael. However, stop trying to convince me or others in trying to see MJ in your view. Quite frankly, you do not really know the man so you can't tell people what is he about. I do not know MJ either, however, I am not trying to psycho-anaylized him like you are doing.

I hope you do not take what I said seriously and please do not send me a pm about the nonsense that you are stating about MJ. I am not interested. I do not see MJ like that. I see him as a human being not some deity. So, refrain from talking to me about a man that you chose to see as a deity. I have no time for nonsense. I came on this thread to talk about Janet's comments on Parade magazine. I did not come on here to read psychoanalysis on a pop star.
 
To Alma: I took it personal because I am friends with someone who knows MJ personally and I go by what my friend told me. I based my opinions on MJ by what I was told, what he says and the things he says in his music. I do not based my opinions on private phone convos, the things that Debbie says, or what some lonely fan thinks about MJ. I am a realist and I do not look at MJ as this person that is always lonely, can't find his true love, can't seem to trust people, etc. etc. I am the first one to mentioned that a lot of painful things have happened to him but that is life. The way some of you guys describe MJ is almost like idol worshipping and it is a bit scary. MJ is living a life that none of us can live but he is doing a good job, so far, at that. The way he is described in this thread is scary and a bit pathetic. I do believe that you should say how you feel about Michael. However, stop trying to convince me or others in trying to see MJ in your view. Quite frankly, you do not really know the man so you can't tell people what is he about. I do not know MJ either, however, I am not trying to psycho-anaylized him like you are doing.

I hope you do not take what I said seriously and please do not send me a pm about the nonsense that you are stating about MJ. I am not interested. I do not see MJ like that. I see him as a human being not some deity. So, refrain from talking to me about a man that you chose to see as a deity. I have no time for nonsense. I came on this thread to talk about Janet's comments on Parade magazine. I did not come on here to read psychoanalysis on a pop star.

I am not going to send you anything privately and do not intend to be arguing over the things I said or you said anymore. But I'll say this: whoever called him a deity must have been deluding themselves, as I have not and I don't know how many times to I have to include "I don't call him perfect". I did, however "psycho-analized" him based on things that hapened to him, not on what friends know or think they know of him. I didn't say almost anything about 'X told Z that Y did so and so". I only reffered to him and his words and his situations, and you were rushed with opinions, as you said you don't know him personally, so that must have determined you to dismiss what he personally says privately. Of course I don't know him personally either, so I resorted to thorough analysis based on many facts, not hearsay or what other people told me about him, and if you find it scary, I'm sorry. His life was even scarier, so my only intent in drifting off like that from the subject was to make valid and balanced points, not proclaim anyone gods, as I value realistic and thorough approaches on things, so replies similar to "All the brothers are cheaters" and "Bull. He wasn't the lonely soul you think he was and was saying things for hours just to entertain a girl" or "...hasn't really had the bad childhood you think he had" don't do. You can't just say things like that easily, point-blank, and then come later and throw the "I have a friend that knows him that saw him do it and he or she can tell how he really is" type of lines, like you can only learn about someone from their songs or through others. You don't see him this way, I don't see him like you do, so this leads us nowhere and, moreover, this is annoying to be attributed things one never said.

I only started to offer more perspectives to this, because you seemed to make things as easy as breathing, not delving into circumstances and other factors and you are free to do so, if you like. I stand by my "scary" post and will not go into this further. Choose to believe whatever and whomever you wish, I am done and numb about this matter publicly, and so that no one has to be forced into reading scary and "nonsense" posts again.
 
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I haven't read the thread, and I don't care to, lol.... First, it's Contact Music, which, like Mediatakeout, has history of posting questionable, or just flat out false things... Second, this cannot be true. Janet is very careful about what she says regarding her family. Especially when referencing Michael (when she does), because she knows how the media runs with it. Janet would never bring up Michael in a interview, unless asked specifically about him...and even then, she keeps it to a minimum...
 
I haven't read the thread, and I don't care to, lol.... First, it's Contact Music, which, like Mediatakeout, has history of posting questionable, or just flat out false things... Second, this cannot be true. Janet is very careful about what she says regarding her family. Especially when referencing Michael (when she does), because she knows how the media runs with it. Janet would never bring up Michael in a interview, unless asked specifically about him...and even then, she keeps it to a minimum...

Just read Parade...I was wrong:lol:


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I haven't read the thread, and I don't care to, lol.... First, it's Contact Music, which, like Mediatakeout, has history of posting questionable, or just flat out false things... Second, this cannot be true. Janet is very careful about what she says regarding her family. Especially when referencing Michael (when she does), because she knows how the media runs with it. Janet would never bring up Michael in a interview, unless asked specifically about him...and even then, she keeps it to a minimum...

Thank you. But you know know most of the people dogging Janet here will never believe this, lol. Only because they don't want to though.
 
If this is indeed true that Janet said these things then it is sad. But contactmusic publishes garbage about Michael on an almost regular basis, which hurts their credibility IMO. I'm not convinced that this is true based on their track record with him.[/quote]

Agreed-_-
 
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