Blues_Away2023
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^^^^ give me those live childhood vocals over any lip synced performance any day of the week! Truly beautiful
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It appears that The Estate/John Branca changed their minds on that matter.This reminds me they did have some bigger plans for HIStory 25 (until the pandemic happened), why not just have their team finish whatever they were doing for that anniversary and release that on the 30th? All of that is just gonna go to waste? (well I mean...not shocked if it does lmao)
I wish yall stop with physical media releases. Not a soul is releasing anything on DVD in 2025.They could release a 2CD&1DVD set (original double album & documentary) along with an inflatable mini statue in 2028.![]()
Yeah but as far as we know the biopic is also discussing exactly that though so like...It appears that The Estate/John Branca changed their minds on that matter.
And this change eventually makes sense, because it would be unwise to celebrate/glorify the 'HIStory' album (with an anniversary release) given that it is an album which thematically revolves around Michael Jackson's child sexual abuse accusations against him.
Although Iām not particularly vying for an anniversary edition of HIStory at the moment, -although I wouldnāt be against it- I find your summation a little harsh? Sure, it is perhaps what you say it is, but parallel to that it is also a magnum opus of sorts. The musicality and production on it is sublime. Michaelās songwriting has evolved and heās matured as an artist. Artistically it deals with several issues that are prescient in todayās society, such as global warming and racial inequality. From great pain comes great art. It shouldnāt be dismissed or thought of as less because of what it deals with.It appears that The Estate/John Branca changed their minds on that matter.
And this change eventually makes sense, because it would be unwise to celebrate/glorify the 'HIStory' album (with an anniversary release) given that it is an album which thematically revolves around Michael Jackson's child sexual abuse accusations against him.
An anniversary release is for the fan base. Plus, the themes of HIStory include loneliness / isolation, greed, injustice, environmental concerns, media intrusion. Let's throw in child neglect. Yes, he wrote about the allegations but many of the themes on the album were things that happened to him throughout his entire life or they were lifelong concerns of his.It appears that The Estate/John Branca changed their minds on that matter.
And this change eventually makes sense, because it would be unwise to celebrate/glorify the 'HIStory' album (with an anniversary release) given that it is an album which thematically revolves around Michael Jackson's child sexual abuse accusations against him.
I like you. And I like this post. And I like that siggy. Yes.An anniversary release is for the fan base. Plus, the themes of HIStory include loneliness / isolation, greed, injustice, environmental concerns, media intrusion. Let's throw in child neglect. Yes, he wrote about the allegations but many of the themes on the album were things that happened to him throughout his entire life or they were lifelong concerns of his.
The project got derailed by Covid and now MJE is focused on other stuff.
We love and appreciate the passion of Michaelās fans. We know how privileged we are to have known and have worked with Michael and we take seriously the trust he put in us to manage his assets and his legacy. We also know how fortunate we are that, with the King of Pop, āthe greatest entertainer that ever livedā, comes an enormous, diverse and passionate fan community with varying and sometimes conflicting views about everything related to Michael. And that naturally includes the projects undertaken by the Estate. We therefore welcome the fansā comments and great support as, even when there is criticism, it demonstrates a shared passion and love for Michael. [...] The critiques we do receive remind us that we canāt please everyone all the time.Dumb question: has there ever been a petition with what fans would want to be released? If we start one and share it and a lot of people will sign, maybe we will get something?
I feel like I am too optimistic but maaaaybe?![]()
Yeah, I know their website-blah-blah, but I am talking about a petition with thousands of votes and concrete examples of what we would like to getWe love and appreciate the passion of Michaelās fans. We know how privileged we are to have known and have worked with Michael and we take seriously the trust he put in us to manage his assets and his legacy. We also know how fortunate we are that, with the King of Pop, āthe greatest entertainer that ever livedā, comes an enormous, diverse and passionate fan community with varying and sometimes conflicting views about everything related to Michael. And that naturally includes the projects undertaken by the Estate. We therefore welcome the fansā comments and great support as, even when there is criticism, it demonstrates a shared passion and love for Michael. [...] The critiques we do receive remind us that we canāt please everyone all the time.
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HIStory 25 at 2020 with Money as a promo single would have been a great answer to a LN that came out at 2019.It appears that The Estate/John Branca changed their minds on that matter.
And this change eventually makes sense, because it would be unwise to celebrate/glorify the 'HIStory' album (with an anniversary release) given that it is an album which thematically revolves around Michael Jackson's child sexual abuse accusations against him.
The core fanbase is sadly not the estate's main target audience. They know that die hard fans will buy whatever comes out anyway and that it's not a huge percentage of their sales.Dumb question: has there ever been a petition with what fans would want to be released? If we start one and share it and a lot of people will sign, maybe we will get something?
I feel like I am too optimistic but maaaaybe?![]()
I know, in the petition - thread I already mentioned that we also should keep in mind what benefits them mostThe core fanbase is sadly not the estate's main target audience. They know that die hard fans will buy whatever comes out anyway and that it's not a huge percentage of their sales.
What they aim for is to bring "new audiences" and that's what their strategy is focusing on, that's why they don't invest on niche releases such as "10 unheard demos from this or that album that only a die hard fans will find interest in", instead they focus on very mainstream projects such as Biopics and Musicals, Cirque Du Soleil shows, remix albums... so that young people who didn't grow up with MJ get to discover him.
I'm sure the estate already knows what we want (unreleased concerts in HD/4K, new songs, reissues of every album including unreleased demos etc...) but it's way less lucrative for them than a Cirque Du Soleil show that brings millions every year so they probably see that as a waste of resources.
I appreciate your optimism, hope it goes this wayI know, in the petition - thread I already mentioned that we also should keep in mind what benefits them most. But maybe with the Biopic coming out and having more new fans/interested people after, they see the need to having a lot of material out there in the best quality possible.
I see the genuine struggle though. To put out passion projects requires an audience. To build an audience requires eyes. Making a documentary is not enough to build eyes. Neither is Netflix. What is gonna do it is what already did it, the music. Namely, broadcast on the biggest platform, cinema.I know, in the petition - thread I already mentioned that we also should keep in mind what benefits them most. But maybe with the Biopic coming out and having more new fans/interested people after, they see the need to having a lot of material out there in the best quality possible.
My thoughts are: Biopic comes out, a lot of people see it, many of them google Michael's music, concerts or short films afterwards (guess that will be the majority of the searches).I see the genuine struggle though. To put out passion projects requires an audience. To build an audience requires eyes. Making a documentary is not enough to build eyes. Neither is Netflix. What is gonna do it is what already did it, the music. Namely, broadcast on the biggest platform, cinema.
They started with Thriller and Beat It in 4K. They've "Remastered" the Off The Wall stuff, as best as is possible. Doing the Bad-Invincible Era stuff is largely a sinch, with a few exceptions perhaps.So it would be the reasonable decision that that material is out there in the best quality, to make sure that as many people as possible will watch/download/listen (to) it, because the Estate wants to make as much $$ as possible, right?
Artists make little if anything from streaming, and that includes the currently most popular ones like Adele or Taylor Swift. They generally get a percentage of 1 cent for each stream. Lesser known singers/bands don't get enough streams to make a difference. It's the streaming services and the record labels that make the money. Spotify & Youtube now has A.I. songs & artists where they don't have to pay anybody, which also dilutes the already crowded roster of real artists. There's a entire post-Napster generation that grew up on free music. Record labels have brought back records & cassettes, but they don't sell enough and are more expensive than a CD. 1 new release vinyl album can cost up to $50 US. In general, records/tapes seem to be things that hipsters (or Taylor Swift fans, since she's the current biggest seller of physical records) buy, not the general public, who make playlists to listen to. Also a lot of people watch music reaction videos on Youtube, where people talk over the songs or stop them every so often to comment.So it would be the reasonable decision that that material is out there in the best quality, to make sure that as many people as possible will watch/download/listen (to) it, because the Estate wants to make as much $$ as possible, right?
So how to make money then? We need arguments for themArtists make little if anything from streaming, and that includes the currently most popular ones like Adele or Taylor Swift. They generally get a percentage of 1 cent for each stream. Lesser known singers/bands don't get enough streams to make a difference. It's the streaming services and the record labels that make the money. Spotify & Youtube now has A.I. songs where they don't have to pay anybody, which also dilutes the already crowded real artists. There's a entire post-Napster generation that grew up on free music. Record labels have brought back records & cassettes, but they don't sell enough and are more expensive than a CD. 1 new release vinyl album can cost up to $50 US. In general, records/tapes seem to be things that hipsters (or Taylor Swift fans, since she's the current biggest seller of physical records) buy, not the general public, who make playlists to listen to. Also a lot of people watch music reaction videos on Youtube, where people talk over the songs or stop them every so often to comment.
Rebuying reissued records was probably more of a boomer thing to do. Like Beatles albums & Dark Side Of The Moon every few years. The boomers are getting up in age and dying off. Probably merchandising is the best way to make money today. That's how Marilyn Monroe remains popular. It's not because of her movies. I doubt most of the younger generations have seen any of them. She's sort of like Mickey Mouse or Superman, a merchandising mascot. Same for Bruce Lee.So how to make money then? We need arguments for them![]()
It is unlikely that The Michael Jackson Estate will make a merchandising deal with Lego, considering what happened in 1989.Rebuying reissued records was probably more of a boomer thing to do. Like Beatles albums & Dark Side Of The Moon every few years. The boomers are getting up in age and dying off. Probably merchandising is the best way to make money today. That's how Marilyn Monroe remains popular. It's not because of her movies. I doubt most of the younger generations have seen any of them. She's sort of like Mickey Mouse or Superman, a merchandising mascot. Same for Bruce Lee.
The Beatles & KISS has all kinds of stuff: Lego Sets, Monopoly games, dolls, clocks, action figures, Funko Pops, picture books, etc. I've seen George Harrison & Bob Marley turntables.
The major record labels today have 360 deals, where they get some of the touring & merchandising income. A deceased artist can't tour. Well Elvis Presley has, They have done concerts for him where his vocals are isolated and they show his footage on a screen. There's a band and background singers performing live with Elvis vocals/footage. The earlier ones had many of the actual musicians/singers who toured with Elvis. There's also tribute bands & singers. But I think mainly hardcore fans go to see those.
But what's the point of bringing new audiences if they don't bother keeping them once they have them? They need to do both: bring in new fans and then keep them interested.What they aim for is to bring "new audiences" and that's what their strategy is focusing on, that's why they don't invest on niche releases such as "10 unheard demos from this or that album that only a die hard fans will find interest in", instead they focus on very mainstream projects such as Biopics and Musicals, Cirque Du Soleil shows, remix albums... so that young people who didn't grow up with MJ get to discover him.
But what about MJs current catalogue and canon is uninteresting? It's only old fans who have exhausted it.But what's the point of bringing new audiences if they don't bother keeping them once they have them? They need to do both: bring in new fans and then keep them interested.
Every new fan eventually becomes an old fan if they remain a fan long enough. The Estate needs to keep it interesting for all fans, new and old.But what about MJs current catalogue and canon is uninteresting? It's only old fans who have exhausted it.
This is not really true. The majority of Mike's recordings are mostly ignored (Motown & The Jacksons), even by older fans. How many people have listened to something like the Goin' Places album? You can go to Youtube and most of the group songs have very few views, other than a few exceptions like I Want You Back or Shake Your Body. I even very rarely hear State Of Shock on oldies radio. That duet Jermaine did with Pia Zadora has way more views than many of the brothers songs and I have never in my life heard that track on the radio.But what about MJs current catalogue and canon is uninteresting? It's only old fans who have exhausted it.
I wouldn't say we need new material and/or remastering of existing material because it's boring, but to keep everything up to date. Over the years the quality will appear worse and worse and people will be less interested.But what about MJs current catalogue and canon is uninteresting? It's only old fans who have exhausted it.