JUST LEAKED: Ghosts 1993 (Snippet) + Seeing Voices (Long Snippet)

[vanou]

people doesnt like this track because its not pop music. it wasnt intended to be and it wasnt intended to be relased from MJ. this is a composition for movies, that is why its very different and not for everyone taste.

 

[morinen]

It is said (and I don't have confirmation, but the information seems plausible) that Ghosts was made by Kingdom Entertainment which was a partnership with Al Waleed, so the estate doesn't have sole rights to it. Therefore, no release in the foreseeable future. Which is really sad as it is one of Michael's best works.

 

[barbee0715]

I know critics called some of Michael's stuff "Disney drivel" but I personally love Disney drivel.

I still don't get why Tim Burton didn't cast him in Edward Scissorhands." The second half of his life would have been totally different.

 

[Dunk96]

I know critics called some of Michael's stuff "Disney drivel" but I personally love Disney drivel.

I still don't get why Tim Burton didn't cast him in Edward Scissorhands." The second half of his life would have been totally different.

Because if anyone other than Johnny Depp played that role,it would've not been as good. I'm sorry,I can't see Michael as Edward Scissorhands. That just doesn't look like the right picture in my mind of the character,IMO. Especially with the love story intertwined with it.

 

[AlwaysThere]

Even if some tracks weren't composed by Michael, that man's voice makes many people believe and feel every word he sang.

I don't understand what the songwriter has to do with anything. There are a plethora of excellent songs in Michael's catalog that weren't written or composed by him - "Rock With You," "She's Out of My Life," "Thriller," "Human Nature" and "Man in the Mirror" are just a few.

And while Michael's voice is almost always absolutely beautiful, that does not excuse a poor song. He sounds wonderful here but it's not fair to give the song a pass simply because someone I adore is singing it. I wouldn't do it for any song he released in his lifetime and I won't do it for this one.

people doesnt like this track because its not pop music. it wasnt intended to be and it wasnt intended to be relased from MJ. this is a composition for movies, that is why its very different and not for everyone taste.

Ridiculous. You make it sound as if those of us who don't like "Seeing Voices" have a bias against anything Michael did that wasn't pop. I don't like "Seeing Voices" because I don't think it's a good song - plain and simple. The genre has nothing to do with it. I love "Little Susie," "Shout," "Give in to Me" and "Morphine," and those songs are as far from pop as you can get.

 

[AtlasAir]

Re: NEW footage from the 1993 version of Ghosts!

Hi, hello, game time. Have you ever actually seen Ghosts in its entirety?

Spoiler: he does the same thing in the final version (less being reassembled)

Um, yes I know. I've seen it.
But he didn't crumble into a pile of "chalky sausage", as someone I this thread perfectly phrased.
The seeing the kids touch the was just bizarre.
Thankfully, the effect came off better in the final film.

 

[Themidwestcowboy]

Because if anyone other than Johnny Depp played that role,it would've not been as good. I'm sorry,I can't see Michael as Edward Scissorhands. That just doesn't look like the right picture in my mind of the character,IMO. Especially with the love story intertwined with it.

Being an outcast and being judged by his looks and being misunderstood.. Yeah the parallels between Edward and Michael were non existent. But yeah, Mr Depp did the role justice and it is one of my all time favorite movies/stories to date.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

We haven't even heard the whole track just a small snippet, we don't even know what the lyrics are entirely about, we haven't even heard the instrumentation. If some people don't like what they heard, to each their own as I said but it's ridiculous to judge it as poor song when we haven't even hear the ENTIRE track

 

[reibish]

Re: NEW footage from the 1993 version of Ghosts!

Um, yes I know. I've seen it.
But he didn't crumble into a pile of "chalky sausage", as someone I this thread perfectly phrased.
The seeing the kids touch the was just bizarre.
Thankfully, the effect came off better in the final film.

I know bb I was being sarcastic. I was the one who used said chalky sausage lol.

But seriously, I agree it's good that it wasn't in the final version, but it's still interesting to see. I'm not bothered by it any really, I've seen far worse and creepier things put into final cuts of films.

 

[thiron]

Judging from your descriptions, Seeing Voices seems to be a fully completed track, isn't it? This is the first time I'm gonna stay strong and refuse to listen to the leak. Don't want to repeat the mistake I made with Xscape - already knowing most of those songs. I'm pretty sure Seeing Voices will be officially released on a future album. I'd like to hear it in its entirety and in CD quality on my first listen. Hearing Chicago and Loving You on Xscape the first time was a great experience, way better than downloading or streaming a leaked track.

 

[MJ TinkerBell]

Already the SNIPPET has been removed due to COPY RIGHT INFRINGEMENT LAWS ! This was posted here just 24 hrs ago and already it is gone !! I didn't hear it ! ARGGGGGGGG

Really YOUTUB !! Really there is so much TRASH, GARBAGE and ILLEGAL & QUESTIONABLE videos posted to your site all the time !! Every day where Michael is still concerned !!
And millions of MJ Fams and Friends have petitioned, emailed and notified you repeatedly to remove the disrespectful and disgusting videos still on your site NOT REMOVED as of 2009! But you can sure move fast in 24hrs when Michael Jackson Fans are seeing and viewing by our own CHOICES not what you decide we can see when you feel like it!

You make me sick YOUTUB when it takes YEARS for you to remove highly and extreme images and videos how to make a bomb and a video on how to do it step by step ! But you have the power to do it within 24hrs, without permission or advising anyone within HOURS when you feel like ! Now I know by your push of a finger CAN remove it ASAP ! You chose and pick who YOU will and won't do it for ! So to me your RACIST against Michael and your an OPPORTUNIST and you will not last forever as a PARRASITE on Michael Jackson for ever ! Come VIMEO and other sorts of Media like YOUTUB's site.. please eat them for breakfast! ! Please take over because you are younger and faster and more RESPECTFUL ! You competitors will 100% enjoy the MJ Fams and Friends loyalty that will for sure abandon YOUTUB for these reasons I stated !!

YOUTUB answer this question ?

Why are the videos disrespecting Michael in the most utterly disgusting and appalling ways since 2009 still on your site ? Children see what you have left there when it isn't about Michael Jackson MONEY ! Any reply to this ??? I won't hold my breath for 24hrs of course !

I hope YOUTUB gets knocked down a few pegs with newer and more respectful competitor like Myspace was replaced by Facebook ! We need to let YOUTUB know they are not the ONLY CORRUPT game in town ! You do get that right !

Your name to me now is YOUTUB !!

 

[lougrizli]

One word : GOOSEBUMPS! Did someone know if the dance parts were recording in 1993 ?

thiron, I think you can wait until a new album been released. Maybe 3 or 4 years.

 

[HIStory]

^ Tinker Bell, check this out:

 

[HIStory]

One word : GOOSEBUMPS! Did someone know if the dance parts were recording in 1993 ?

No, according to Shana Mangatal who was on the set. From D.amien S's blog:

“Michael was very excited to film this,” she adds. “His goal was for it to be ‘scarier than Thriller.’ We filmed for about 2 weeks. But, after a few days of filming, Michael learned of the allegations, and he was devastated. He stopped showing up to the set. We filmed as much as we could without him, and we did get a lot of footage, but the main piece that we did not get was Michael’s dance sequence.”

 

[MJ TinkerBell]

:heart: respect77 Thank you so much !! :group:

This MJ Fan put it into words much better then I right now ! I cannot look away from the extra Michael that is being LEAKED online legally and illegally and snippets are appreciated and treasured by US his loyal and loving fams for life ! Wow I am just speechless right now ! It is such bitter sweet irony that all the Michael pieces that are still unseen are out there in the world is still out there and we will never see it unless it is illegal, unauthorized or and leaked at will ! We would never have seen any of them if it wasn't all these things first! They just can't let Michael's work just be viewed for their spirit not for others profit or non profit or more greedier alterior motives! They will never let his world joy and happiness just BE !!

Thank you antonella mei & Laura Messina for Sharing this on Google+ · 7 hours ago

Laura Messina
5 ore fa
NEW UNSEEN footage of Ghosts rehearsals, with a minute-long snippet of the song "Seeing Voices" as its soundtrack.
I'm still trying to put my heart back together after seeing it and reading such beautiful reflections on it written by Syl Mortilla:

""Seeing Voices was inspired by Michael’s sensitivity towards people who are deaf. There are several instances in Michael’s canon of work that suggest his being sensitive towards people who are deaf, with his incorporating sign language into both the MTV 10 performance of Will You Be There, and in the ‘prison version’ of the They Don’t Care About Us short film.
All those people that cannot hear him sing – at least, not until medical science finds a solution. There is a profound beauty in the notion that when such a day of miraculous scientific discovery arrives, people who are deaf will be able to hear Michael singing this glorious tribute to the majesty of gesture, with such astonishing vocal grace. Expressing emotion through movement was something Michael was uniquely au fait with due to his being an icon of dance and ocular representation. Indeed, the very metaphor of sign language being hands “weaving the space between friends” is a breathtakingly beautiful image in itself.
Let us not forget the other half of the treat we were granted with today.
Something that provides us with further insight – not only into the development of the Ghosts project, but also into Michael Jackson the man.
In the final edit of Ghosts, a particularly harrowing scene – with all its self-aware connotations – involves Michael the Maestro committing suicide by hammering his face against a checkered floor. It is visual tragi-poetry.
In the leaked footage, Michael is resurrected through the love that children have for him, with children – literally – rebuilding him out of the crumbled remains of his self-obliteration.
For whatever reason, this idea wasn’t used. Perhaps due to the fact that the theme of Michael being redeemed by the innocent perspectives of children is evident enough in the film, without the need for such graphic explanation.
For those with half a brain, at least".

^ Tinker Bell, check this out:

[video=youtube;UM_XIWVrVrM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM_XIWVrVrM[/video]

 

[lougrizli]

No, according to Shana Mangatal who was on the set. From D.amien S's blog:

Oh :/ So sad he didn't. But I don't get something.. Seeing Voices was record in 99 no ? So why mix the video with the song ? Even if the result is awesome.

 

[thiron]

thiron, I think you can wait until a new album been released. Maybe 3 or 4 years.

I will try my best Would love to hear a new album full of completely unknown songs, even if I have to wait years^^

 

[lougrizli]

I will try my best Would love to hear a new album full of completely unknown songs, even if I have to wait years^^

Oh damn, you're determinate. Just the video's title make me jumping over the room so, waiting to listen a song if I was able to.. I don't know how you do. :bow:

 

[myosotis]

I didn't know that the song was written by Rose Fine's husband and was a tribute to their son:

CaptaineoLove85: You are right!

OOh I love it! The song reminds me of Disney music.

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Sidney Fine
May 28, 2002 | 04:44PM PT
Film, TV, legit composer, arranger and orchestrator
Jon Burlingame
@jonburlingame

Emmy-nommed Sidney Fine, composer, arranger and orchestrator who worked on Broadway and in films, radio and TV throughout the ’40s, ’50s and ’60s, died of pneumonia May 20 at Providence Saint Joseph Medical Center in Burbank. He was 97.
Fine was nominated for an Emmy in 1956 for his orchestrations of Victor Young’s music for the television series “Medic,” and served as one of the original orchestrators on Meredith Willson’s 1957 Broadway hit “The Music Man.”
Under contract to Revue (later Universal) TV from 1960 to 1971, Fine wrote the scores for dozens of shows including episodes of “Wagon Train,” “Thriller,” “Laramie,” “Frontier Circus,” “Going My Way,” “The Virginian,” “Alcoa Premiere,” “90 Bristol Court,” “Broadside,” “Tammy,” “The John Forsythe Show” and “The Bold Ones.”
Among his feature credits, he served as an arranger on Paramount’s Irving Berlin musical “Blue Skies” in 1946. For Walt Disney Studios, he helped to orchestrate “Victory Through Air Power” (1943), “Fun and Fancy Free” (1947), “Melody Time” (1948) and the 1955 classic “Lady and the Tramp.” He also worked on the daytime “Mickey Mouse Club.”
He was born in Waterbury, Conn., graduated from the U. of Connecticut and did post-graduate work at City College of New York and the Yale School of Music. He played piano in silent-movie theaters in the 1920s and eventually became accompanist for comedian Henny Youngman, who often made jokes about his “cousin Sidney” during appearances in the Catskills and elsewhere.
Fine moved to Los Angeles in 1937, where he studied with composer Arnold Schoenberg. He worked as a pianist and arranger in radio throughout the 1940s, including shows featuring Jack Benny, Dinah Shore, and George Burns and Gracie Allen. In 1950, he returned to New York to arrange for radio’s “Big Show” starring Tallulah Bankhead.

Fine’s last work was a song recorded in 1999 by Michael Jackson (but still unreleased) entitled “Seeing Voices.” Jackson had been a student of Fine’s wife; the song celebrates signing for the deaf and was a tribute to Fine’s son, Peter, who died in 1975 of a rare brain disease that had caused him to lose his hearing.
Fine’s wife of 74 years, the former Rose Mishkin, died in June 2000.
He is survived by a daughter and five grandchildren.

http://variety.com/2002/scene/people-news/sidney-fine-1117867684/

 

[MJ TinkerBell]

^^^^^^^^^^ Amazing myosotis ^^^^^^^^^^

Thank you so much for this story of Rose Mishkin, Sidney, Peter and the pure Michaelness :heart: warmed my soul to hear yet another true account of our Michael and the man behind the heart !
Again the truth runs MARATHONS !! How long had this truth taken and waited to come into the light ! I am blessed to be Michael Jackson fan always !!

:group:

 

[barbee0715]

Oh my gosh. Never knew this before. And so lovely and sweet. No wonder Rose always looks so appreciative in the studio.
She was already totally connected
to musical and entertainment history.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

In case YouTube takes the video down again, MJ Beats Brasil uploaded it into its fb page.

Knowing the song was a tribute to Rose Fine's deaf child makes it more meaningful and sweet but I don't know why it was included in that video snippet then. I thought it was going to be part of the Ghosts soundtrack.

I don't know if these are the right lyrics since we haven't heard the song completely but I found them:

MICHAEL JACKSON- SEEING VOICES


I sing of what you see and might think about
Because of what you see.
Moving hands, mobile faces
Where by the eye
Not the ear traces what's on the mind


So when you see hands
Weaving the space between friends.
Think of them as being
As though you were seeing voices
Speech without sound face to face, hands unbound
Weaving the space between friends
So, think of them as being
As though you were seeing voices.


Believe it they ramble on exactly as we would
And talking with someone we know
And even they stumble on expressions as we would
And talking with anyone.


So...


When you see hands weaving
The space between friends
think of them as telling or asking
Or spelling out choices
So think of hands as being
As though you are seeing voices.


Think of them as being
As though they were seeing voices.
Speech without sound face to face, hands unbound
Weaving the space between friends
So, think of them as being
As though you were seeing voices.


So think of them as telling or asking
Or spelling out choices
Just think of hands as being
As though you were seeing, voices


Voices, voice

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/michaeljackson/seeingvoices.html

 

[myosotis]

^
But the first stanza is:
Whereby the eye not the ear traces what's on the mind.

(Which fits better with signing)

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

^You're right. I'll edit it in a moment.

I wonder if this is the same version Mike recorded with Ray Charles. I've read he provided the chorus.

 

[Themidwestcowboy]

Re: NEW footage from the 1993 version of Ghosts!

I know bb I was being sarcastic. I was the one who used said chalky sausage lol.

But seriously, I agree it's good that it wasn't in the final version, but it's still interesting to see. I'm not bothered by it any really, I've seen far worse and creepier things put into final cuts of films.

I recant my previous words about it being creepy. I don't think creepy was the right word to describe it, I think it was more unsettling. Especially when that one child lifted up his hair and tried to reassemble him. Actually I think the song is what makes it more unsettling than it really is. Here you have this sweet and beautiful Disney-esque song playing in the background while some kids try to reassemble a dematerialized man turned into dust. Seeing as his goal was to make this scarier than Thriller it was probably intentionally.

 

[vanou]

its the Ray Charles Choir in the song not Ray Charles himself

 

[Prince Of Pop]

Meh, it's ok. I'll wait to give my opinion on the song until the full version is leaked or released. This might end up being one of those songs that has to grow on me.

 

[Doo Doo Head]

I agree with a lot of people, that was very unsettling. There's a weird other worldly quality to it. The music is also perfectly synced with the footage, making even the part where MJ has the mask scary.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

From D.amien S.hields blog

“Seeing Voices” was conceived by composer, arranger, and orchestrator Sidney Fine with two pianos, one acoustic bass, and a small choir. Fine reached out to the King of Pop to perform vocals on the track, who obliged. Jackson’s longtime engineer Matt Forger, who had known Fine for years thanks to Jackson introducing them, served as recording engineer on the track – and other Fine projects at the time. Once Jackson had recorded his vocal, he told Fine he love the song, but requested that strings be added to the track.

The song was unveiled on May 28, 1999 during a small private event hosted by Fine at the Ventura Club in Sherman Oaks, California. A copy of the invitation details that “Seeing Voices” is “a song for the deaf” inspired by the title of Dr. Oliver Sacks’ 1989 best selling book of the same name.




1997 “Seeing Voices” tape and invitation to the May 28, 1999 Ventura Club unveiling of the track




EXCLUSIVE: Never-before seen pictures of “Seeing Voices” sheet music


The full version of “Seeing Voices,” which runs 3 minutes and 20 seconds, remains unreleased, as does the complete footage that accompanied the leaked snipped – a one-minute video sample taken from Jackson’s ill-fated (but later resurrected and remade) 1993 film Is This Scary.


According to screenwriter Paul Rudnick, the original concept was for Jackson to record a horror-themed song for Addams Family Values and film a music video to promote it, but when allegations of child molestation were made against Jackson the summer before the film was set to be released, plans changed.


“It was just a little too risky to include [the song] in the final movie at that point,” Rudnick recalls of the situation.


The song – which, contrary to popular belief, was not actually titled “Is This Scary” according to actress Shana Mangatal (the film was called Is This Scary, but not the song) – was set to play during the closing credits of Addams Family Values.


“He dictated the lyrics of the song that was going to be used as the theme song for Addams Family Values to me, but the song was never recorded,” Mangatal explains. “It’s a completely different (to ‘Is It Scary’ – released years later) and never-before heard song.”


The song was also to be released as a brand new Michael Jackson single accompanied by a long-form music video – funded and issued independently by Jackson – to support both the single and Addams Family film.


Mangatal, who was cast in the film and was also working for Jackson’s manager at the time, vividly remembers the experience of being on set during the 1993 filming, explaining that Jackson was excited and enthusiastic going into the project and revealing that Addams Family characters were to have made cameos in Jackson’s short film.


“What is not included in this (leaked) snippet are the scenes with the Addams Family kids,” explains Mangatal. “Christina Ricci and the other two kids were in this too. It included creepy live animals as well. There was an armadillo that the director had crawl right over my feet. We filmed at the CBS/MTM Studios in Studio City, California.”


“Michael was very excited to film this,” she adds. “His goal was for it to be ‘scarier than Thriller.’ We filmed for about 2 weeks. But, after a few days of filming, Michael learned of the allegations, and he was devastated. He stopped showing up to the set. We filmed as much as we could without him, and we did get a lot of footage, but the main piece that we did not get was Michael’s dance sequence.”


Despite not finishing or releasing the song or film in 1993, Jackson wasn’t about to let the project fall by the wayside.


“He was determined to finish Is This Scary,” recalls Mangatal, “mainly because of the reason we had to stop. It became his passion project and he really wanted everyone to see it and understand its meaning.”


Jackson would ultimately revisit the project three years later, in 1996, completing and releasing the film under the title Ghosts – a 40-minute re-written version of what he started in 1993 featuring three songs; “Is It Scary,” “2Bad,” and title track “Ghosts.”


“Ghosts is his view of how people perceived him, so it’s very autobiographical,” says Mangatal. “Finishing it was all Michael talked about for three years.”


“Ghosts is similar to how Is This Scary would have been, but different,” recalls Mangatal. “Is This Scary had that same theme, about people being afraid to have Michael around their children, which is ironic being that the allegations hadn’t even hit at the time it was written, cast, and filming had begun.”


“For Ghosts he changed directors (to Stan Winston) and re-wrote the script. He also re-cast the entire thing because all of the original kids had grown up,” adds Mangatal, who was the only member of the original 1993 cast that was re-cast for the 1996 version. “There was an actual actor who played ‘The Mayor’ in Is This Scary. Michael only played himself in it.”


The completed Ghosts film, in which Jackson plays a grand total of five characters, stands as one of the most significant artistic feats of his entire career, and is widely considered to be the magnum opus of his unparalleled catalog of short films.

 

[AlwaysThere]

We haven't even heard the whole track just a small snippet, we don't even know what the lyrics are entirely about, we haven't even heard the instrumentation. If some people don't like what they heard, to each their own as I said but it's ridiculous to judge it as poor song when we haven't even hear the ENTIRE track

That would mean that it's also ridiculous to judge it as a GOOD song if we haven't heard the full thing yet.

Considering we have the first solid minute of "Seeing Voices" and not merely four to seven seconds as we did with "I Am a Loser," it is one hundred percent acceptable and reasonable to judge what we've heard thus far whether positive or negative. Let's not go to extremes with it (e.g., "This song is incredible!"/"This song is garbage!") but simply saying "I like it" or "I don't care for it"? Go right ahead.

God forbid people come forward and step out against the crowd and not shower something from Michael in praise.