Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Exactly. mj had openly admitted when he had problems in 93 and in the early 00's and delt with them .for family members that saw him once in the last five years its amazing how much they claim to know. i bet they didnt even know about his lupus and the pain management clinics he went to. but i guess its easier to claim hes a druggie than ask themselves why he didnt share or see them. but i guess they have already thought about that and thats why they have spent the last three years doing damage control.the only ppl in denial in the last five years are certain jacksons who cant get their stories straight and think so little of mj they will believe anything told to them. but hey aslong as it makes them look good

Will the depos become public record?

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Exactly. mj had openly admitted when he had problems in 93 and in the early 00's and delt with them .for family members that saw him once in the last five years its amazing how much they claim to know. i bet they didnt even know about his lupus and the pain management clinics he went to. but i guess its easier to claim hes a druggie than ask themselves why he didnt share or see them. but i guess they have already thought about that and thats why they have spent the last three years doing damage control.the only ppl in denial in the last five years are certain jacksons who cant get their stories straight and think so little of mj they will believe anything told to them. but hey aslong as it makes them look good

Will the depos become public record?

Where is it confirmed that Michael had lupus? Was it in the autopsy report? I find that very hard to read so don't really want to look.

 

[ivy]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Will the depos become public record?

there's a protective order in this case, which means sides can file documents as confidential - not accessible to public. So we don't know, it might or it might not.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Thanks ivy

 

[Mirabella76]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

I'm with you, I don't know anything about Tito's married life either, but it is interesting that AEG would go there, especially as you stated, she was murdered around 1994. Which means, in my opinion, AEG is leaving NO stone unturned. I bet Tito was shocked. LOL!

They divorced before Dee Dee was found dead. As far as I know her body found her then-boyfriend.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Yesh i think they divorced maybe late 80's 1990?

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

 

[Bubs]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Where were the intervention specialists? A PR rep doesn't count. Randy, who himself has a history with drugs, initiating an intervention is laughable ..when MJ couldn't stand the sight of him after his conniving ass tried to ruin the poor man. You need to have a trusting relationship with the person.

I think they used word intervention incorrectly, not fully understanding what does it mean, still not understanding it:scratch:
I read your expert advise for intervention, it doesn't look like Jackson's have any idea what they were doing (if they were doing).

 

[Bubs]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

The original lawsuit mentions the financial pressure that was on Michael if he didn't perform, perhaps AEG want to prove that actually it wasn't them who put him under pressure (financially) but was in fact the family, that the stress Michael felt was not as a result of the 'help and financial' assistance from AEG, but was caused by the families inability to fund themselves.

This sound plausible. I would like to hear what else was asked.

 

[jaydom7]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Memefan,

I totally agree. Where were the intervention specialists? who are the doctors? did the Jacksons ever approach MJ's doctors regarding their supposed concern? They all knew Klein, Metzger, and the plastic surgeon Hoefflin so why didn't they investigate them or ask them what the hell was wrong with MJ and what were they doing to him? They should've threatened them with medical board threats if they felt they were overmedicating MJ.

 

[Bubs]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Rebbie PLEASE!

She talking about "several."

In my opinion, the ONLY several, most likely is the SEVERAL times they BEGGED Michael to join the family on stage, so that they could ALL perform in some type of Jackson Family Reunion. With All Good Entertainment and BEFORE All Good Entertainment ever came on the scene. In my further opinion, this BEGGING was long term and everytime he said no, they just BEGGED harder, i.e. "Michael the family NEEDS you."

Who the heck does she think she's fooling!

It certainly looks more than odd that family releases statement (Sep 2007) that they never attempted an intervention.
If we go with that, it leaves between Oct 2007-June2009
So are we supposed to believe, while they were worried about Michael's drug use so much that they tried intervention, but not that worried to stop them asking Michael to join their concerts/tour. They wanted MJ to go on tour with them, no matter he was supposedly be in need for intervention?

All that in matter of a year and 9 months?

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

I think they used word intervention incorrectly, not fully understanding what does it mean, still not understanding it:scratch:
I read your expert advise for intervention, it doesn't look like Jackson's have any idea what they were doing (if they were doing).

Maybe the jacksons were pioneering a progressive technique in dealing with drug addiction - concertventions. Instead of going into rehab, the addict would be forced into doing a multi-nation stadium and arena tour. If people think that sounds ridiculous, try coming up with another explanation for the familys' contradictory statements. Lol, their lawyers are certainly going to have their work cut out to present a coherent line of defence never mind attack v aeg.

 

[Victory22]

Yes, they are all so much worse than the Chandlers, the Arvizos, the Francias, the Quindoys, Uri Geller, Rabbi Boteach, Martin Bashir, the Cascios and so on. They all had their fair share of trusting the wrong people. I'm not saying that none of the crap would have happened had he stayed with the family... I'm just entertaining the thought that things might have been different.

I don’t think anyone is saying that the Jackson’s are worse than the individuals you named above but they are certainly no better either. All of them were working Michael in order to receive an easy paycheck. None of them cared about the emotional and physical damage they were doing to Michael.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Very true no one is saying their actions are worse than the chandlers etc. but because family should never act like they did and continue to do. it makes the betrayal even worse.

 

[Victory22]

Where is it confirmed that Michael had lupus? Was it in the autopsy report? I find that very hard to read so don't really want to look.

David Walgren brought up the fact that MJ had Lupus during his cross examination of Cheryl Lynn Lee. I don’t think he would have opened that door if it was a lie.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Yeah she testifyed that mj told her he had it when she was treating him and asking if he suffered from anything.

also u could tell when metzger testifyed that he was trying to hold back from going into detail about his treatment of mj. hes a lupus expert.he just mentioned the pain management clinic and "treating the chronic vitiligo and other illnesses"

u cant find lupus in a autopsy its a collection of ailments

 

[Bubs]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Maybe the jacksons were pioneering a progressive technique in dealing with drug addiction - concertventions. Instead of going into rehab, the addict would be forced into doing a multi-nation stadium and arena tour. If people think that sounds ridiculous, try coming up with another explanation for the familys' contradictory statements. Lol, their lawyers are certainly going to have their work cut out to present a coherent line of defence never mind attack v aeg.

You need to contact to Merriam-Webster, new word for their dictionary, concertventions

 

[Prometheus77]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Maybe the jacksons were pioneering a progressive technique in dealing with drug addiction - concertventions. Instead of going into rehab, the addict would be forced into doing a multi-nation stadium and arena tour. If people think that sounds ridiculous, try coming up with another explanation for the familys' contradictory statements. Lol, their lawyers are certainly going to have their work cut out to present a coherent line of defence never mind attack v aeg.

Oh yes, or maybe there was this intervention in '01/'02, like Jermaine said and they released that statement in '07 saying there was no intervention to take the bad press off Michael?? Everything and anything can be used whatever way you want. Either for or against the family.

Very true no one is saying their actions are worse than the chandlers etc. but because family should never act like they did and continue to do. it makes the betrayal even worse.

Again! And what did they do?? Wanting to work again? Wanting to be a touring act again, asking him to join in!? That's no crime. That's rather understandable, if you try to look at it from a different view. Now they are trying to do just that. Do that tour without him and also it's held against them. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

[marebear]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

No one stopped the family from touring. Michael didn't want to anymore with them. He wanted to do his own thing and he didn't need to be asked all the time. Michael was in the hospital with back during the trial. He hurting physically and emotionally worried about losing his freedom and all his father can think about it is touring and thinking of dates. Jermaine said that in his book. That was the last thing Michael was thinking about.

No matter what in life you expect better from your family. Michael took care of practically the whole family his whole life. His will showed that he felt that was the end of that. He was being sued at times and dealing with his financial issues raising 3 kids and he has to worry about the finances of the Jackson family too? Worrying about money and other people's issues causes a lot of stress to people.

Michael had a lot of stress that was not needed and it did come from his own family not just outsiders. It's normal to have stress with your family but some of it was too much and not fair to him at all. I am glad Michael had his children because they truly gave him peace, happiness and unconditional love.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

It funny cause theres a pic of mj with i think some rapper at neverland taken i think during 07. it was taken at a birthday party mj arranged for one of the cousins. So in 07 when mj was dtugged up he had no problem arranging parties and seeing other members of his family. should have done an intervention then they might have got an birthday invite if they asked nicely lol

it was imbarassing that mj had to put out a public statement in 07 telling his family no about a reunion yet through 08 and 09 they continued to harrass him to take part. and only when he was killed they finally decided to take that no as an answer. it would have been less insulting if they had accepted that no in 2007 and anounced their own tour then instead of waiting till he was killed knowing that they cant keep badgering anymore

 

[virginia_woolf]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

It funny cause theres a pic of mj with i think some rapper at neverland taken i think during 07. it was taken at a birthday party mj arranged for one of the cousins. So in 07 when mj was dtugged up he had no problem arranging parties and seeing other members of his family. should have done an intervention then they might have got an birthday invite if they asked nicely lol
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are you sure it was 2007? cause Michael didn't live at Neverland after the trial

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Yeah it was defo after the trial i remembering seeing the pic and thinking thats intresting that mj did go to the ranch again at some point. i think although not sure that anthony jackson put it on his .f.b. im not saying mj was living at the ranch but he held the birthday party there for a cousin. so its not like he hated the place so much he refused to ever go back

 

[virginia_woolf]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Thanks elusive. That's interesting.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Your welcome

 

[Prometheus77]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

It funny cause theres a pic of mj with i think some rapper at neverland taken i think during 07. it was taken at a birthday party mj arranged for one of the cousins. So in 07 when mj was dtugged up he had no problem arranging parties and seeing other members of his family. should have done an intervention then they might have got an birthday invite if they asked nicely lol

Oh well.... playing devil's advocate again, being "drugged up", as you call it, or having a drug problem (not saying he had) doesn't necessarily preclude one from having a party for their cousin, especially considering that Michael himself certainly wouldn't be organizing anything other than saying "Yes. Let's have a party for him". So that argument is a bit ridiculous.

it was imbarassing that mj had to put out a public statement in 07 telling his family no about a reunion yet through 08 and 09 they continued to harrass him to take part. and only when he was killed they finally decided to take that no as an answer. it would have been less insulting if they had accepted that no in 2007 and anounced their own tour then instead of waiting till he was killed knowing that they cant keep badgering anymore

Yeah. It was. But everybody knows that a Jackson 5/Jacksons reunion without Michael doesn't make much sense. They tried that in '89 and failed. Without him they will do a theatre tour (at best) and with him they could have done a stadium tour. It's understandable for various reasons that they wanted him to be a part of that. So they where holding out, hoping he would change his mind eventually, whereas now, it's either do it now or do it never.

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Yeah it was defo after the trial i remembering seeing the pic and thinking thats intresting that mj did go to the ranch again at some point. i think although not sure that anthony jackson put it on his .f.b. im not saying mj was living at the ranch but he held the birthday party there for a cousin. so its not like he hated the place so much he refused to ever go back

Michael never returned to the ranch after 05 as far as I'm aware. Do you have a link to that picture?

 

[Acafan]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

It funny cause theres a pic of mj with i think some rapper at neverland taken i think during 07. it was taken at a birthday party mj arranged for one of the cousins. So in 07 when mj was dtugged up he had no problem arranging parties and seeing other members of his family. should have done an intervention then they might have got an birthday invite if they asked nicely lol

Do you mean the streetball player "Hot Sauce" who says he was invited by Michael to Neverland in 2007 because his nephews had requested to meet him at his (Michael's?) birthday party? Because I remember seeing something like that somewhere, and wondering about the 2007 date at Neverland.

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

According to this article it was in early 2000, which would make more sense.

http://www.and1live.com/and1-live-streetballer-hot-sauce-to-release-video-with-michael-jackson

Also, in another article, only Prince and Paris are mentioned so it would indeed appear to have been earlier than 2007, and obviously earlier than 2002. So I would say the above article is correct.

 

[qbee]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

According to this article it was in early 2000, which would make more sense.

http://www.and1live.com/and1-live-streetballer-hot-sauce-to-release-video-with-michael-jackson

Also, in another article, only Prince and Paris are mentioned so it would indeed appear to have been earlier than 2007, and obviously earlier than 2002. So I would say the above article is correct.

Yep that pic was defo not 2007 - Thanks for the article

 

[qbee]

Where is it confirmed that Michael had lupus? Was it in the autopsy report? I find that very hard to read so don't really want to look.

David Walgren brought up the fact that MJ had Lupus during his cross examination of Cheryl Lynn Lee. I don’t think he would have opened that door if it was a lie.

True and Dr Klein Mj's dermatologist also stated on Larry KIng. That MJ was not desireous to be white, that he suffered from and was being treated for both Lupus and Vitiligo. You can not test for lupus in an autopsy becuse there is no one tests to confirm its a series of on going symtoms and disorders that vary in each individual.

Diagnosing lupus is difficult because signs and symptoms vary considerably from person to person. Signs and symptoms of lupus may vary over time and overlap with those of many other disorders. No one test can diagnose lupus. The combination of blood and urine tests, signs and symptoms, and physical examination findings leads to the diagnosis. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lupus/DS00115/DSECTION=tests-and-diagnosis