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"AEG states from Katherine's deposition it is obvious that she has no knowledge about Michael's relationship with AEG and Murray"
In my opinion, I think Katherine is coached to say certain things, in telly and in her deposition.
She seems to have memory problems if she couldn't even remember Donte's name.
I'm glad that the estate is there objecting things and trying to hold on Michael's privacy and looking out for him, seemingly they are the only ones that cares.
About AEG "abusive" questions to Tito. Interesting that they say it's relevant to the issue at hand including showing witness credibility.
I wonder what they are after with that statement?
I suppose we can read his deposition later?
AEG sent 85 document requests and have received only 16 so far!
I absolute agree that they deserve delay. How they are supposed to defend themselves if they have nothing to work with?
"AEG states from Katherine's deposition it is obvious that she has no knowledge about Michael's relationship with AEG and Murray"
In my opinion, I think Katherine is coached to say certain things, in telly and in her deposition.
She seems to have memory problems if she couldn't even remember Donte's name.
I'm glad that the estate is there objecting things and trying to hold on Michael's privacy and looking out for him, seemingly they are the only ones that cares.
About AEG "abusive" questions to Tito. Interesting that they say it's relevant to the issue at hand including showing witness credibility.
I wonder what they are after with that statement?
I suppose we can read his deposition later?
AEG sent 85 document requests and have received only 16 so far!
I absolute agree that they deserve delay. How they are supposed to defend themselves if they have nothing to work with?
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I think Neverland intervention was in 2002 sometime after Blanket was born. I believe Latoya and Jermaine's books mention the date.
New York intervention could be in 2001. As Frank in his book mentioned talking to the family and they are talking to Michael a couple of days before the show. I'm not sure if Michael stayed in NY later on.
Las Vegas Intervention seems to be in 2007 - 2008 which is mentioned by Leonard Rowe as well as Michael's Vegas Bodyguards.
I think Neverland intervention was in 2002 sometime after Blanket was born. I believe Latoya and Jermaine's books mention the date.
New York intervention could be in 2001. As Frank in his book mentioned talking to the family and they are talking to Michael a couple of days before the show. I'm not sure if Michael stayed in NY later on.
Las Vegas Intervention seems to be in 2007 - 2008 which is mentioned by Leonard Rowe as well as Michael's Vegas Bodyguards.
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I take it then that Katherine, Tito and Jermaine had a memory lapse when they signed that statement.
Did Connie Cascio say anything about Michael alleged drug use in 2002. She stayed with Michael when Blanket was born.
If Michael had problems, she would have seen it.
I take it then that Katherine, Tito and Jermaine had a memory lapse when they signed that statement.
Did Connie Cascio say anything about Michael alleged drug use in 2002. She stayed with Michael when Blanket was born.
If Michael had problems, she would have seen it.
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Mj said in the weisner depo he had issues that he sorted himself in the early 00's. the jacksons try and sct like they were some saviours trying to save the out of control addict yet if u look at the info we have ie in n.y yet the family were on stage with him doing the concerts. in or around 2002 that mj sorted himself and the non excistant one in 07/08. its like the jacksons have an agenda to push and are as bad as the media
they like to use the word intervention in order to make things sound juicy yet they seem clueless about the real meaning or just dont care as asking if hes ok at the ranch and then leaving and goin on stage with him at msg isnt what i would class as an intervention. the jacksons seem to like chinese whispers
Mj said in the weisner depo he had issues that he sorted himself in the early 00's. the jacksons try and sct like they were some saviours trying to save the out of control addict yet if u look at the info we have ie in n.y yet the family were on stage with him doing the concerts. in or around 2002 that mj sorted himself and the non excistant one in 07/08. its like the jacksons have an agenda to push and are as bad as the media
they like to use the word intervention in order to make things sound juicy yet they seem clueless about the real meaning or just dont care as asking if hes ok at the ranch and then leaving and goin on stage with him at msg isnt what i would class as an intervention. the jacksons seem to like chinese whispers
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In Oprah interview, the Cascio family said they never saw michael was on drugs. as for frank Cascio, plz, michael didnt fired him and cut him off for no reason. it's so funny Katherine, bodyguards, everyone round Michael didn't see him on drugs, his autopsy didn't have signs of long time drug abuse, The coroner said in court Michael is "healthier than the average people his age". His medical records didnt show he abused drugs. I know Michael had to take drugs sometimes for his health conditions, we all do, that doesnt mean we are the druggie. But Now since his death, everyone came out and act like some savior, the best thing in Michael life. I mean wtf.
In Oprah interview, the Cascio family said they never saw michael was on drugs. as for frank Cascio, plz, michael didnt fired him and cut him off for no reason. it's so funny Katherine, bodyguards, everyone round Michael didn't see him on drugs, his autopsy didn't have signs of long time drug abuse, The coroner said in court Michael is "healthier than the average people his age". His medical records didnt show he abused drugs. I know Michael had to take drugs sometimes for his health conditions, we all do, that doesnt mean we are the druggie. But Now since his death, everyone came out and act like some savior, the best thing in Michael life. I mean wtf.
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Well said
Well said
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In the piers interview she said that she talked to mj about the 50 concerts, i'm sure she didn't say she was calling the aeg people about them.
Ivy - you posted that little snippet from rebbie's depo, does that mean they released the whole depo? If so did she not give dates for the interventions, i can't imagine her not being asked to give that information.
In the piers interview she said that she talked to mj about the 50 concerts, i'm sure she didn't say she was calling the aeg people about them.
Ivy - you posted that little snippet from rebbie's depo, does that mean they released the whole depo? If so did she not give dates for the interventions, i can't imagine her not being asked to give that information.
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I have tried so hard to wrap my mind around this, but I just can’t. I know this shouldn’t come as a surprise given the established pattern of their behavior, I am still stunned nonetheless. Why couldn’t the other siblings pitch in? Why do all those humongous responsibilities have to fall on Michael’s shoulders alone, especially in the later part of his life when he had some financial struggles of his own? Upon all that he has done for his mother and family (very evident from the posted document that he did more than enough) the LEAST they could have done for him was to pursue restitution from murray instead of pursuing this lawsuit based on unfounded claims.
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no. they just added parts. for example in the motion they say "michael jackson's mother and two siblings have mentioned multiple interventions. some examples can be seen in exhibit g attached"
when you go to exhibit g you see that they included 1-2 pages from the deposition.
for example the part from Rebbie starts with her mentioning 3 interventions and 1 she wasn't there for. The lawyer says they heard neverland one from tito as well and asks Rebbie to explain her recollection. Then she starts talking about New York one but it's cut off.
Like I said they only had parts of depositions just to show proof / example of the claims they make in their motion. Full depositions aren't available.
no. they just added parts. for example in the motion they say "michael jackson's mother and two siblings have mentioned multiple interventions. some examples can be seen in exhibit g attached"
when you go to exhibit g you see that they included 1-2 pages from the deposition.
for example the part from Rebbie starts with her mentioning 3 interventions and 1 she wasn't there for. The lawyer says they heard neverland one from tito as well and asks Rebbie to explain her recollection. Then she starts talking about New York one but it's cut off.
Like I said they only had parts of depositions just to show proof / example of the claims they make in their motion. Full depositions aren't available.
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Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date delayed to April 2, 2013
Thank you Ivy. I hate to say it, but I agree with you 100%. AEG is going to do whatever they can to discredit the Jackson's. If the family is trying to show liability of AEG, they certainly are not receiving good legal advice based on their approach with this case. I do not pretend to know what their intentions are as I am not in their shoes. I will say that if Michael were my family, I would not pursue this case in the manner which it is being pursued; i.e. discussing alleged interventions and drug use. Talk about throwing someone under the bus. Doing so is counterproductive to what would normally be intentions of a grieving family trying to obtain justice for the wrongful death of their loved one. It's the complete opposite. I won't say more. Again, I'm not judging as I don't know all the facts.
Thank you Ivy. I hate to say it, but I agree with you 100%. AEG is going to do whatever they can to discredit the Jackson's. If the family is trying to show liability of AEG, they certainly are not receiving good legal advice based on their approach with this case. I do not pretend to know what their intentions are as I am not in their shoes. I will say that if Michael were my family, I would not pursue this case in the manner which it is being pursued; i.e. discussing alleged interventions and drug use. Talk about throwing someone under the bus. Doing so is counterproductive to what would normally be intentions of a grieving family trying to obtain justice for the wrongful death of their loved one. It's the complete opposite. I won't say more. Again, I'm not judging as I don't know all the facts.
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Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date delayed to April 2, 2013
I agree. I think there's something wrong when people keep pushing the "druggie" angle and Michael's official medical and autopsy reports say just the opposite. Seriously, if Michael was this raging drug addict, Michael's system would have definitely shown it. And the coroner's report would have said so because those people in the coroner's office know their business. This is not that difficult to understand. Why do these people who keep insisting that Michael had an out-of-control drug problem keep ignoring that simple fact?
I agree. I think there's something wrong when people keep pushing the "druggie" angle and Michael's official medical and autopsy reports say just the opposite. Seriously, if Michael was this raging drug addict, Michael's system would have definitely shown it. And the coroner's report would have said so because those people in the coroner's office know their business. This is not that difficult to understand. Why do these people who keep insisting that Michael had an out-of-control drug problem keep ignoring that simple fact?
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When did the truth ever get in the way when it came to ppls agendas. mjs whole life had been pretty much re written by those sort of ppl
When did the truth ever get in the way when it came to ppls agendas. mjs whole life had been pretty much re written by those sort of ppl
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Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date delayed to April 2, 2013
Jermaine wrote in his book that Michael turned meds for help when he is stressed and under pressure, (not a direct quote) and that makes sense to me. I think AEG is proving that as the family were the ones who were aware that at times Michael would use such meds and then not pass that information on to AEG, how could they hold AEG responsible.
Jermaine wrote in his book that Michael turned meds for help when he is stressed and under pressure, (not a direct quote) and that makes sense to me. I think AEG is proving that as the family were the ones who were aware that at times Michael would use such meds and then not pass that information on to AEG, how could they hold AEG responsible.
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The families words will be used against them but personally i dont believe a word jerm or the others say as they had a non excistant relationships eith mj yet like to act like they know things about his life.
The families words will be used against them but personally i dont believe a word jerm or the others say as they had a non excistant relationships eith mj yet like to act like they know things about his life.
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I know, and I am reluctant to but it makes sense to me. I don't think we can say that they had a non existent relationship but we know for a fact the Michael distanced himself and that they we not close knit as some would like to think they were.
I know, and I am reluctant to but it makes sense to me. I don't think we can say that they had a non existent relationship but we know for a fact the Michael distanced himself and that they we not close knit as some would like to think they were.
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Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date delayed to April 2, 2013
^^By their conflicting stories about Michael, and their tendency to repeat what the media prints about Michael, one would guess that they do not know the intimate details of Michael's life. If Jermaine is not around, he would not know what incidents bring stress, for him to make that statement in his book. For him to have first hand knowledge of that, he has to be Michael's close confidant or be able to watch his behavior regularly and closely. However, they claim that Michael kept away so how did he know what Michael took and why?
Another thing is that people see Michael looking a bit off. Assuming he took some drugs that day, they do not know what it is and why he took it. They do not know if he was ill. It is easier to say he is abusing some drug.
^^By their conflicting stories about Michael, and their tendency to repeat what the media prints about Michael, one would guess that they do not know the intimate details of Michael's life. If Jermaine is not around, he would not know what incidents bring stress, for him to make that statement in his book. For him to have first hand knowledge of that, he has to be Michael's close confidant or be able to watch his behavior regularly and closely. However, they claim that Michael kept away so how did he know what Michael took and why?
Another thing is that people see Michael looking a bit off. Assuming he took some drugs that day, they do not know what it is and why he took it. They do not know if he was ill. It is easier to say he is abusing some drug.
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Exactly i take more seriously comments from the cascios bar frank and the fans that were close to mj as they actually spent time with mj more than the majority of his family who had no faith and respect for mj and seemed to believe anything the media said. yet some family members seem to think they have a righ to speak as an authority just because by luck of birth regardless of whether they only saw him a few times in ten years. I saw jermaines antics with my own eyes (London 07) dont try to act like u actually have a clue just to make yourself look good its just embarassing
Exactly i take more seriously comments from the cascios bar frank and the fans that were close to mj as they actually spent time with mj more than the majority of his family who had no faith and respect for mj and seemed to believe anything the media said. yet some family members seem to think they have a righ to speak as an authority just because by luck of birth regardless of whether they only saw him a few times in ten years. I saw jermaines antics with my own eyes (London 07) dont try to act like u actually have a clue just to make yourself look good its just embarassing
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Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date delayed to April 2, 2013
They keep talking about Michael being addicted to painkillers. Do they even know that he had to take painkillers for his lupus?
I don't think I have ever heard them mention it? As far as I understand, Lupus is painful and incurable. Was he supposed to just live with pain and not take painkillers? If they didn't know of Michael's medical condition, where they draw the line for need medication and an addiction?
Anyways, I don't know what Michael went through and how much he was in pain, was he addicted or not some point in his life.
What I cannot accept is that they going around telling Michael being addict when they have no idea of his medical condition.
They keep talking about Michael being addicted to painkillers. Do they even know that he had to take painkillers for his lupus?
I don't think I have ever heard them mention it? As far as I understand, Lupus is painful and incurable. Was he supposed to just live with pain and not take painkillers? If they didn't know of Michael's medical condition, where they draw the line for need medication and an addiction?
Anyways, I don't know what Michael went through and how much he was in pain, was he addicted or not some point in his life.
What I cannot accept is that they going around telling Michael being addict when they have no idea of his medical condition.
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My mother has lupus symptoms and takes strong painkillers everyday just to get through the day. god forbid what the jacksons would think of that. being so incredulous to someone elses health issues and the lack of intrest or knowledge in someone you claim to love and to sweep those issues under the rug inorder to make yourself look better says everything interms of the respect and real opinions u have of such person
My mother has lupus symptoms and takes strong painkillers everyday just to get through the day. god forbid what the jacksons would think of that. being so incredulous to someone elses health issues and the lack of intrest or knowledge in someone you claim to love and to sweep those issues under the rug inorder to make yourself look better says everything interms of the respect and real opinions u have of such person
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Sorry for your mom. But quit your obsession with the jacksons. They are not monsters ya know.
Sorry for your mom. But quit your obsession with the jacksons. They are not monsters ya know.
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Good point. I have a friend and she and all her siblings have lupus. I can tell you some days and weeks are extremely bad for her. Sometimes she cannot move--not even turn herself on the bed. Sometimes she becomes quite swollen and puffy. She takes shots in her joints now because the knees are now in severe pain. The thing is that with lupus different problems occur and we do not know how some handle it.
Good point. I have a friend and she and all her siblings have lupus. I can tell you some days and weeks are extremely bad for her. Sometimes she cannot move--not even turn herself on the bed. Sometimes she becomes quite swollen and puffy. She takes shots in her joints now because the knees are now in severe pain. The thing is that with lupus different problems occur and we do not know how some handle it.
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There you have it, of course no one calls them drug addicts. When they are in no pain they go about their lives like everyone else. My friend becomes sleepy and slow, but everyone is affected by medication in a different way. No one says that she has a history of drug use either.
It is a pity that Rebbie and Tito were not more honest about their interventions, but it is good that we know that at least one of them was about pressuring Michael to do a show. Now we have to wait till next year to go through this drama, unless something happens to cause this shakedown to go away. AEG is right; it is a shakedown.
There you have it, of course no one calls them drug addicts. When they are in no pain they go about their lives like everyone else. My friend becomes sleepy and slow, but everyone is affected by medication in a different way. No one says that she has a history of drug use either.
It is a pity that Rebbie and Tito were not more honest about their interventions, but it is good that we know that at least one of them was about pressuring Michael to do a show. Now we have to wait till next year to go through this drama, unless something happens to cause this shakedown to go away. AEG is right; it is a shakedown.
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Have they decided on which evidence they will use to show AEG is responsible yet? I know the last time they were waiting on AEG documents and then return it back to them as evidence.
Have they decided on which evidence they will use to show AEG is responsible yet? I know the last time they were waiting on AEG documents and then return it back to them as evidence.
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I wonder one thing about rebbie, why did she think she could help him. She is still friend with Brown, why MJ would want to have a relationship with her?
I wonder one thing about rebbie, why did she think she could help him. She is still friend with Brown, why MJ would want to have a relationship with her?
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She thinks highly of herself interms of thinking shes so rightous i guess. something to do with her j.w beliefs? she claims mj was in denial yet mj openly admitted he had issues at that time in the deposition and that he delt with them. but as normal there has to be a reason as to why mj didnt want to be around them and that reason certainly cant be anything that would make the family and their image look bad. i guess she missed that bit of info from the depo.she is a very bitter woman when you judge her on the comments she has made about mj over the years. the ppl she has hung around and supported over mj like stacy brown and she has the gaul to blame mj for the reasons he didnt want to be around them. Supporting stacy brown is enough reason on its own to never talk to her again let alone when u add in everything else. but no its not that.its not whats staring you in the face its cause mj was a druggie in denial. like mj said throwing stones to hide your hands. whos the one in denial again?
She thinks highly of herself interms of thinking shes so rightous i guess. something to do with her j.w beliefs? she claims mj was in denial yet mj openly admitted he had issues at that time in the deposition and that he delt with them. but as normal there has to be a reason as to why mj didnt want to be around them and that reason certainly cant be anything that would make the family and their image look bad. i guess she missed that bit of info from the depo.she is a very bitter woman when you judge her on the comments she has made about mj over the years. the ppl she has hung around and supported over mj like stacy brown and she has the gaul to blame mj for the reasons he didnt want to be around them. Supporting stacy brown is enough reason on its own to never talk to her again let alone when u add in everything else. but no its not that.its not whats staring you in the face its cause mj was a druggie in denial. like mj said throwing stones to hide your hands. whos the one in denial again?
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In my opinion Rebbie never tells the truth. Not a sincere or trustworthy person at all and I’m sure Michael was aware of her double dealings. I wish AEG would key in on her the same way they have Tito and Jermaine. I’m sure they would glean a lot of interesting information there.
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