Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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Victory22;3645339 said:
In my opinion Rebbie never tells the truth. Not a sincere or trustworthy person at all and I’m sure Michael was aware of her double dealings. I wish AEG would key in on her the same way they have Tito and Jermaine. I’m sure they would glean a lot of interesting information there.


yep... who took care of her and her family for all of those years?:bugeyed
 
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Regarding all the info that comes out from these depos regarding the interventions, i found the thread from the jackson forum which i think (not read it yet) details all the news reports of the interventions which could be useful for future ref. I understood from my study of us legal system (ie watching eps of the good wife) that depos have the same legal standing as statements under oath in court so i do hope there's been no perjury.

https://www.mjjcommunity.com/xenforo/index.php?threads/104137/
 
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yes a depo is given under oath. it sometimes gets used to trip up witnesses if they say something different on the stand to what they said in the depo. ie impeach them
 
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Regarding all the info that comes out from these depos regarding the interventions, i found the thread from the jackson forum which i think (not read it yet) details all the news reports of the interventions which could be useful for future ref. I understood from my study of us legal system (ie watching eps of the good wife) that depos have the same legal standing as statements under oath in court so i do hope there's been no perjury.

https://www.mjjcommunity.com/xenforo/index.php?threads/104137/

Yes that was the thread we were referencing before that deals with the interventions.

It would be interesting to find out how many new depositions have been done since they got a new trial date. I only hope that people are not going to wait till the last minute to rush to get things done. Any news on whether Katherine submitted those extra details to AEG?
 
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I wonder if Ivy got any news on these depositions:
- Opposition document includes mention of several depositions: Gongaware will be deposed by Katherine's lawyers next week (between May 21 -25). Katherine's lawyers also want to depose Dan Beckerman and Michael Roth from AEG. Deposition dates for Beckerman and Roth is still being discussed among the parties.
- AEG has 4 depositions set up for this week (between may 14- 18) as well. Those are Jermaine Jackson, Dr. Arnold Klein, Debbie Rowe and Trent Jackson.
 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date delayed to April 2, 2013

Regarding all the info that comes out from these depos regarding the interventions, i found the thread from the jackson forum which i think (not read it yet) details all the news reports of the interventions which could be useful for future ref. I understood from my study of us legal system (ie watching eps of the good wife) that depos have the same legal standing as statements under oath in court so i do hope there's been no perjury.

https://www.mjjcommunity.com/xenforo/index.php?threads/104137/

Thanks for the link, I'll read it as soon I have time.

I was wondering the perjury thing.
AEG could, if they wanted to, prove that Jackson's so called "interventions" are fluff, but would they even bother as it suits them just fine that family is pushing idea of Michael being in need for "interventions" for decades. They want to take the route that Michael was drug addict well before he made concert deal with them, they didn't know it but family did.
Who do you have in you mind who could prove that perjury is committed when family gave their depositions?
 
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Arnie kliens depo was dropped according to the doc ivy last posted.

imo the only way perjury will come up is if the jacksons change their story on the stand. if they get called that is. because their depos are AEGs best evidence so they have no intrest counter acting their stories. the jacksons have played into aegs hand with their obsession with trying to make themselves look good. seems even the families lawyers were to stupid to see it in letting their clients say everything that aeg are claiming. i guess karma works in strange ways
 
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I wonder if Ivy got any news on these depositions:

everything has been delayed by 6 months. probably now the discovery will continue and we will only start hearing from this case again close to summary judgement time (probably sometime between november and january).
 
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Arnie kliens depo was dropped according to the doc ivy last posted.

imo the only way perjury will come up is if the jacksons change their story on the stand. if they get called that is. because their depos are AEGs best evidence so they have no intrest counter acting their stories. the jacksons have played into aegs hand with their obsession with trying to make themselves look good. seems even the families lawyers were to stupid to see it in letting their clients say everything that aeg are claiming. i guess karma works in strange ways

Exactly. AEG is not going to show that Jacksons lie about interventions because their comments are helping AEG win their case. I cannot understand what Katherine's lawyers are thinking to allow their clients' relatives to deliver all this to AEG on a platter. The thing is that these siblings are so bent on showing how out of control their brother was that they do not consider how their speech contribute to them losing their case.
 
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everything has been delayed by 6 months. probably now the discovery will continue and we will only start hearing from this case again close to summary judgement time (probably sometime between november and january).
Thank you Ivy for your reply.
I thought depositions are not delayed and will be taken place as you mentioned earlier?
 
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Exactly. AEG is not going to show that Jacksons lie about interventions because their comments are helping AEG win their case. I cannot understand what Katherine's lawyers are thinking to allow their clients' relatives to deliver all this to AEG on a platter. The thing is that these siblings are so bent on showing how out of control their brother was that they do not consider how their speech contribute to them losing their case.

i guess the family will do the standard thing of blaming michael when they lose.
 
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Re the jacksons and their intervention talk, i don't expect a huge amount of strategic thinking from the jacksons but it is odd that their expensive lawyers are perfectly happy with them waxing lyrical about all those attempts to save mj. I'm wondering if the deliberate portrayal of mj as being a long-term addict is to make aeg more negligent in their signing up mj to do the 50 concerts and not put in place careful monitoring of him, instead just allowing mj to be under the supervision of dr murray. Presumably mj is so clearly someone suffering from substance abuse, that it should have been blindingly apparent in aeg's dealings with him. IDK, just trying to find some method in their madness.

Who do you have in you mind who could prove that perjury is committed when family gave their depositions?

Well regarding any 'intervention' between 07-09 - the vegas bodyguards who lived with mj, leanard rowe who detailed those vegas meetings where the jacksons were looking for a concert deal, all those jacksons announcing reunion concerts in the media during that time. But as others have said aeg might be quite happy to let it lie as it doesn't hurt their case.
 
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Good point bonnie maybe that is the game plan. because otherwise what they are doing makes no sense. but they have shown that throwing mj under the bus for the good of the rest of the family is the norm so maybe they are going to the other extreame of saying AEG should have known mjs history even if that just includes info from media stories so that makes their actions even more negligent. the pressure they put on him letting murray be around and telling him to do whatever it takes etc.hence the jacksons obsession with trying to make mj out to be a raving crackhead. they can get more money if they can prove mj was a druggie and AEG should have been aware. i think u have hit the nail on the head
 
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^ Well i was just thinking out loud - if it is their gameplan, they're in big trouble. Aeg just have to turn round and show how mj's parents and len rowe, far from protecting their vulnerable son (who had successfully evaded numerous family interventions) from the stresses of TII, were instead desperate to get involved in the action and become his manager for the tour. There was the meeting at beverley hills for example that mr and mrs j attended with randy phillips. As i recall joe was just intent on getting mj paid in Euros not $, rather than pleading for his son to be allowed to go into rehab. The jacksons just can't change history - their lies will just find them out. That's why i don't think aeg have the first idea of how to defend this case as there doesn't seem to be a case as presented by the jacksons. They appear just as culpable as aeg if their stories are true.
 
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This is a subscription only source so we can only see a part of the news

Judge Limits Damages In Suit Over Michael Jackson's Death

By Jonathan Randles

Law360, Los Angeles (June 22, 2012, 7:14 PM ET) -- A California state judge on Friday limited Anschutz Entertainment Group Inc.'s potential liability in a breach of contract suit brought by Michael Jackson's family over the promoter's decision to hire the doctor convicted in the performer's death but refused to dismiss its concert subsidiary from the complaint.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Yvette M. Palazuelos struck the family's request for punitive damages against AEG but kept Katherine Jackson's lawsuit intact, rejecting claims that the inclusion of AEG Live Productions LLC, the promoter behind Michael Jackson's doomed...

http://www.law360.com/employment/ar...damages-in-suit-over-michael-jackson-s-death-
 
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Let me give a little bit info

in USA there are two damages. Compensatory damages and punitive damages. Compensatory damages are the money amount to cover what is actually lost and nothing more. Punitive damages could be any number - generally high- and can be awarded to deter other people doing similar actions.

For example assume that someone stole your $100. A jury can award you $100 as compensatory damages (your actual loss) and let's say $1,000,000 as punitive damages (to deter the people for not stealing in the future).

As the news story says "judge struck the punitive damages" this means even if Katherine wins the case, she'll be limited to compensatory damages - actual damages that can be objectively determined.


The rest is Katherine had filed the lawsuit against AEG and AEG Live and later on tried to add AEG Live Productions as defendant Doe 1. AEG Live Productions is the actual company behind TII concerts. So AEG was trying to argue against AEG Live Productions added as a defendant. The news story seems that judge granted Katherine's request and added AEG Live Productions as a defendant.
 
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Palazuelos struck the family's request for punitive damages against AEG but kept Katherine Jackson's lawsuit intact

Was the family also included in this lawsuit against AEG ? or trying to get a stake in it ?
Unless they are talking about removing the children from the suite to spare them from having to go through that.


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Thanks Ivy - OK I see you explanation above. I was way off base.

I don't know why they said family was removed from receiving and then said Katherine when its the same thing.
So They cant receive punitive damage but they can include AEG and AEG Live in the Lawsuit

That puts a damper on their case - That's huge ... No punitive damage.
 
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Does anyone have an access to rest of the article?
I would very much love to read the rest of it.
I tried to register in that website for free trial for 7 days, but it doesn't seem to be working:-(
 
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The decision would be available next week on the court system. I will get it then.
 
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Very good--I like when the money is affected. They added AEG live, but that is ok, since they still have to prove this case in court, finish the depositions, and provide all documents.
 
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Thanks ivy. good that theres no punitive but in the scheme of things does that matter interms of the amount the family are asking for. i presume the basic amount they want is pretty huge anyway??

whats the diff between aeg and aeg live, productions etc. are they asking for damages off each seperate company. arent they pretty much one of the same?
 
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Thanks ivy. good that theres no punitive but in the scheme of things does that matter interms of the amount the family are asking for. i presume the basic amount they want is pretty huge anyway??

whats the diff between aeg and aeg live, productions etc. are they asking for damages off each seperate company. arent they pretty much one of the same?

they didn't have an amount written. It was just said "economic damages proven at the time of the trial" so that's the reason for Katherine asking AEG for their books and AEG is trying to determine if and how the Jacksons were dependent to Michael. I would assume it could still be $102 Million - TII income + funeral costs - as mentioned in Murray's trial.

Honestly I couldn't understand the fuss over the companies but AEG Live Productions was the subsidiary that had the contract / negotiations with Murray. Probably if AEG was successful if not getting them added, there could be a further defense strategy for them in it.
 
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Thanks ivy. speaking of economic damages wouldnt they or katherine as shes the one sueing have to say mj paid for everything in relation to her upkeep (thats a known already so nothing new) but i would presume she couldnt claim the 100mil mentioned at trial as that amount of money would have never made its way to her anyway. maybe the kids could though?

and wouldnt aeg want to prove that katherine wasnt as reliant on mj in order to not have to pay as much. although that doesnt go with aeg asking tito etc all those questions
 
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they didn't have an amount written. It was just said "economic damages proven at the time of the trial" so that's the reason for Katherine asking AEG for their books and AEG is trying to determine if and how the Jacksons were dependent to Michael. I would assume it could still be $102 Million - TII income + funeral costs - as mentioned in Murray's trial.

Honestly I couldn't understand the fuss over the companies but AEG Live Productions was the subsidiary that had the contract / negotiations with Murray. Probably if AEG was successful if not getting them added, there could be a further defense strategy for them in it.

Thanks Ivy for keeping us up to date with all these suits.

I thought the funeral cost was covered by Michael's estate. Can Katherine be compensated for that, if she didn't pay for it?

I have another question:

Let's say that Michael gave Catherine $100,000. per mo for her own use. Will the judge take in consideration the income she receives from the estate plus all the extras she's getting from all the bus. she's doing in regards to Michael, would that be deducted from the $100,000? Thanks.
 
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I wrote that as a general information. Compensatory damages in wrongful death lawsuits are lost income, cost of medical care, funeral and burial. There could also be damages based on grief and lost of companionship.

The actual calculation would depend on too many factors.
 
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List of things that happened in June in relation to this case. I see some media is requesting permit to coverage? Wonder if they want to show it on telly?

06/26/2012 Notice (OF APPLICATION AND APPLICATION TO APEPAR AS COUNSEL PRO HAC VICE OF PERRY R. SANDERS JR. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

06/26/2012 Declaration (OF PERRY R. SANDERS JR. IN SUPPORT OF VERIFIED APPLICATION FOR PRO HAC VICE )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

06/26/2012 Declaration (OF ROBERT S. GLASSMAN IN SUPPORT OF PERRY R. SANDERS JR. PRO HAC VICE APPLICATION )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

06/25/2012 Notice (of entry of order overruling demurrer, granting motion to strike in part and denying motion to strike in part )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

06/22/2012 Request ( media request to photograph, record or broadcast )
Filed by Requestor

06/22/2012 Order ( ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE )
Filed by Requestor

06/15/2012 Reply/Response (AEG LIVE PRODUCITIONS LLC'S REPLY IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF DEMURRER TO PLAINTIFFS FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

06/15/2012 Reply/Response (AEG LIVE PRODUCTIONS LLC'S REPLY IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF IT'S MOTION TO STRIKE PORTIONS OF PLTFFS FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

06/11/2012 Opposition Document (to defdt aeg live productions llc's demurrer; declaration )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

06/11/2012 Opposition Document (to defdt aeg live productions motion to strike )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

06/11/2012 Notice (OF ENTRY OF ORDER MODIFYING PROTECTIVE ORDER )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

06/04/2012 Stipulation and Order ( re protective order for conf. documents )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent
 
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I see some media is requesting permit to coverage? Wonder if they want to show it on telly?
jeez. here we go again
 
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Then the question becomes whether it would be coverage where they pick what they want to show us and add their biased narratives to it.
 
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