I really hope this thread doesn't get cleaned up. Whenever a good convo gets going about something, it seems to go away. I think (at least for me) wrote everything as nicely as I can without berating you.
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I see Chris is still trying to make his campaign against gaga.
Just to comment on a few of the strange things posted:
Are we just going to pretend people like MJ and Madonna didn't put out flops? Why single out Gaga? Madonna doesn't even make her money off of albums anymore, it's about the touring (which Gaga has been doing just fine in). And while I'm a die hard MJ fan (the hits to the obscure, deep cuts), his sales declined over the years. So I don't know why you're shaming Gaga for having a bad era.
And why would you berate her for her success in the current state of music buying habits? Times have changed. People consume media differently than years ago. The fact that anyone can break out and be a mainstream success, even past 1 hit single, is amazing. So why would you take away from her success in the predominantly digital sales when everyone else is making sales that way as well?
Also, I don't even know where you're from, but I'm sure you don't speak for your whole country when you say they all hate her there.
And what's your deal with anything remotely sexual with a singer? If you're going to single Gaga out, you have to lump in Madonna, Beyonce, Janet, boybands, and even MJ to an extent. Who are you to say "no one needs that kind of show anymore".
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Anyhoo, this discussion isn't about convincing you to like her music, because music is subjective (even if some people are more boojie about it than others).
But I don't know how you can't get goosebumps listening to Gaga do these 2 songs live with just her on the piano. Amazing voice, beautiful songs. I prefer these live renditions than the album versions.
In the words of Steve Harvey: If you're not feelin' this, I really don't give a damn!