Mark Geragos on His Client Frank Cascio vs Michael Jackson

[Lightbringer]

At the moment we are supposed to believe that 7 different kids were molested by MJ and all 7 did not tell a single soul about it until 20-30 years later after Michael Jackson had died and all around the time either themselves or their families got into financial difficulties.

Nor did they help Gavin Arvizo during the 2005 trial when they could have spoken up and put MJ behind bars and thus been safe from MJ and also have saved other potential molestation victims? So all of them turned into masterful liars that kept 100% silent? I just find that very hard to believe!

 

[jasmine.uddin]

But I find it hard to believe that Frank behaved like a true gentleman and somehow it was all fabricated, but we cant know for sure.

You've just demonstrated the exact viewpoint most will use against MJ.

The fake songs, FCs book, the fact that he worked for MJ as an adult and was part of the 2005 trial needs to be front and centre of any rebuttal to the Cascio allegations. Shame TMZ glossed over the fake songs.

 

[Lightbringer]

You've just demonstrated the exact viewpoint most will use against MJ.

The fake songs, FCs book, the fact that he worked for MJ as an adult and was part of the 2005 trial needs to be front and centre of any rebuttal to the Cascio allegations. Shame TMZ glossed over the fake songs.

With exception that there await no big financial payout from describing Frank Cascios alleged bad behavior while making accusations against MJ all can be related to enormous financial motives! That is why I always say that you can not compare the accusations against MJ with any accusations made against a standard citizen/normal person. Nobody would for example falsely accuse Jack 49 of child molestation as there would be nothing to gain from it!

Frank Cascio was not hated by the fan base as he defended MJ in his book and everywhere else, even with the fake songs hitting there was certainly no mob against him, many fans are still not even aware that the songs are fake and even less so who was behind it!

The 2005 trial is tricky as Frank was one of the 5 co-conspirators along with Dieter Wiesner, Ronald Konitzer, Mark Schaffel and Vinnie Amen who allegedly assisted MJ in molesting children in various ways but for some bizarre reason were not charged with any crime.

Perhaps that whole scenario will be explained, or at least Franks version of it! But like you have noted before, it would be tough for Frank to bury MJ in the 2005 trial while excusing himself! Unless he claims he was being strung along by Michael Jackson via some kind of role play or that MJ was controlling him. At this point I would not be surprised by anything!

 

[jasmine.uddin]

With exception that there await no big financial payout from describing Frank Cascios alleged bad behavior while making accusations against MJ all can be related to enormous financial motives! That is why I always say that you can not compare the accusations against MJ with any accusations made against a standard citizen/normal person. Nobody would for example falsely accuse Jack 49 of child molestation as there would be nothing to gain from it!

All true, except it's only us fans that seem to care about the fake songs and the financial motives. Rest of the world seems to not care about those details. The Faking Michael podcast was great investigative journalism released a year ago, but it had no impact outside the fan community. And I think MJs voluntary 93 settlement is what works against him when accusing others of financial motives, it's seen as hush money irrespective of whether it was or wasn't. And these Cascio payments will likely look the same.
Did the TMZ reporter bring up 2005 trial?

Also, false allegations also occur outside of the world of the rich and famous.

 

[mjfanboy27]

Which victim writes a thick book about his tormenter With a lot of love who still believes that you can't help

 

[Lightbringer]

All true, except it's only us fans that seem to care about the fake songs and the financial motives. Rest of the world seems to not care about those details. The Faking Michael podcast was great investigative journalism released a year ago, but it had no impact outside the fan community. And I think MJs voluntary 93 settlement is what works against him when accusing others of financial motives, it's seen as hush money irrespective of whether it was or wasn't. And these Cascio payments will likely look the same.
Did the TMZ reporter bring up 2005 trial?

Also, false allegations also occur outside of the world of the rich and famous.

I dont think they spoke much about the 2005 trial, I did watch the entire interview, but since Frank did not testify I believe there was little to discuss there.

Geragos also kept saying that the estate should have a duty to inform the kids and Katherine about settlements and stuff. That was brought up by Geragos 3 or 4 times with the TMZ host disagreeing with him as thats not how the estate is set up. Branca does not have to go to Prince and say "hey Prince, we are set to do this, do you give us permission to do that?" The only thing the kids could do is go to a court and say thate estate is not working in their best interest - but that would require the estate probably losing a lot of money or tanking the estate on purpose - which is the opposite of what they have done!

As for the fake songs, of course non-MJ fans wont pay attention to that as long as its not tied to the credibility of the Cascios. And I do not think many outside the fan base knows about both the fake tracks and the new allegations. But of course I would hope it will be brought to attention if the Cascios are given the green light to go public with this!

False accusations does indeed take place, but it happens a lot more often if the accused is filthy rich, which we knows as MJ had 1000s of lawsuits every year regarding various things!

 

[Robbsaber01]

It never ends. Smh

 

[Arckangel]

Geragos also kept saying that the estate should have a duty to inform the kids and Katherine about settlements and stuff. That was brought up by Geragos 3 or 4 times with the TMZ host disagreeing with him as thats not how the estate is set up. Branca does not have to go to Prince and say "hey Prince, we are set to do this, do you give us permission to do that?" The only thing the kids could do is go to a court and say thate estate is not working in their best interest - but that would require the estate probably losing a lot of money or tanking the estate on purpose - which is the opposite of what they have done!

Which is what Paris Jackson is accusing the Estate of:

US Weekly: Paris Jackson Compares Michael’s Estate Executors to ‘The Wizard of Oz’ as They Reveal $65M Was Spent On Her (Exclusive)

More on that:

Michael Jackson’s Daughter Paris Uncovers ‘Irregular Payments’ Made by Dad’s Estate, Raising Questions

Michael Jackson’s Daughter Paris Uncovers ‘Irregular Payments’ Made by Dad’s Estate, Raising Questions By Ryan Naumann July 10, 2025 https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/paris-jackson-raises-serious-questions-about-michaels-estate-excl/ Michael Jackson’s daughter, Paris Jackson...

www.mjjcommunity.com

 

[Arckangel]

I’m angry at MJ for allowing himself to be caught up in these situations. As you rightly said, after the Chandler stuff he should have distanced himself completely, yet he continued doing exactly what he wanted.

It was not good for his image.

Who’s next? Brett Barnes? I’m surprised he’s never came forward at this point.

The whole thing is ridiculous but one day I fear a victim will eventually win in court and if they do , it will open the floodgates and MJ’s career will be ruined.

I'm confident that Brett Barnes and Macaulay Culkin will never ever accuse MJ. The media tried to make Aaron Carter accuse MJ, but it backfired:

“In my opinion it WAS a Little inappropriate what’s the problem with that? What I achieved? I’m not trying to achieve anything except telling my story to validate he didn’t f—ing do anything sexual! Are you all this stupid? Honestly?”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1130899792857583616

People: Aaron Carter Clarifies His Claim That Michael Jackson Was 'Inappropriate,' Says It Wasn't 'Sexual'

I've only heard the rumour about FC sleeping with fans in order to allow fans access to MJ. I don't think any of this was substantiated, I think it was rumours from follower fans and the online fan community at the time.

@Moonstreet might be able to shed more light on these rumours, as I believe she was part of the follower fan community at some point.

Out of curiosity... Only female fans?

 

[christy]

......The 2005 trial is tricky as Frank was one of the 5 co-conspirators along with Dieter Wiesner, Ronald Konitzer, Mark Schaffel and Vinnie Amen who allegedly assisted MJ in molesting children in various ways but for some bizarre reason were not charged with any crime.

Perhaps that whole scenario will be explained, or at least Franks version of it! But like you have noted before, it would be tough for Frank to bury MJ in the 2005 trial while excusing himself! Unless he claims he was being strung along by Michael Jackson via some kind of role play or that MJ was controlling him. At this point I would not be surprised by anything!

The 5 co-conspirators were not indicted because the prosecution - Tom Sneddon et al, including Gordon Auchinloss and Ronald Zonan thought they had enough to convict.
Joe Tacopina, who would have represented the 5 co-conspirators as their defense attorney should they be indicted, thought it would be a TRIAL WITHIN A TRIAL,
which can cause the overall legal case to be protracted.
The conspiracy trial would have taken place before the actual Michael trial.
Furthermore, if the co-conspirators were acquitted, that would mean a shoe-in ACQUITTAL FOR MICHAEL, certainly a risk too big for Mad Dog (Tom Sneddon ) to stomach.
It is worth noting, though, Debbie Rowe, who had testified in court in 2005's trial, described
the co-conspirators (Frank Cascio alias Frank Tyson included) as "opportunistic vultures" who were exploiting Michael .

 

[jasmine.uddin]

Out of curiosity... Only female fans?

From my very vague recollection yes. But I also remember it being said that this was a rumour passed on by jealous follower fans about other follower fans to explain preferencial treatment. Like I said, this was all unsubstantiated, so doesn't really hold any weight. FC was a young man at that time, there were a lot of young women around, I think it could even be reasonably expected.

I think even LMP indirectly described the Cascios as vampires/leeches.

I wish I shared your confidence about BB and MC but I don't. MJ has proven that he willingly bought and kept all the wrong people in his inner circle. I'm pretty sure that during most of the 90s, he spent every Xmas with the Cascios. If he spent that much time with them and got them so wrong then I seriously question others he kept within his inner circle.

 

[kelley]

I often say fans ( and of course fake "fans") do just as much harm as the lying media by blindly believing and spreading their false narratives.

The proof of this is that most of you cannot even see that the casios are actually the ones in trouble.

You blindly believe the daily fails article, which is a lie. No lawsuit has been filed they blatantly lied. Jael Rucker filed a complaint against dailyfail and was told that the dailyfail is basically allowed to lie about whatever they want when it concerns subjects outside of the UK

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978115781608018165

We've been discussing this cascio crap here for months now. So all of you should know that MG has only responded to the estates petition for arbitration. No lawsuit has been filed yet! And in fact the Cascios are in big trouble if the judges in this case actually follow the law and don't react with their foolish emotions like those idiot appeals court judges.

They committed textbook extortion and the estate has emails of their extortion demands.

But the dailyfail posted one lie filled article and many of you forget everything that's been discussed for over a year and just blindly believe them without a second thought. SMDH.

 

[jasmine.uddin]

I often say fans ( and of course fake "fans") do just as much harm as the lying media by blindly believing and spreading they're false narratives.

The proof of this is that most of you cannot even see that the casios are actually the ones in trouble.

You blindly believe the daily fails article, which is a lie. No lawsuit has been filed they blatantly lied. Jael Rucker filed a complaint against dailyfail and was told that the dailyfail is basically allowed to lie about whatever they want when it concerns subjects outside of the UK

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978115781608018165

We've been discussing this cascio crap here for months now. So all of you should know that MG has only responded to the estates petition for arbitration. No lawsuit has been filed yet! And in fact the Cascios are in big trouble if the judges in this case actually follow the law and don't react with their foolish emotions like those idiot appeals court judges.

They committed textbook extortion and the estate has emails of their extortion demands.

But the dailyfail posted one lie filled article and many of you forget everything that's been discussed for over a year and just blindly believe them without a second thought. SMDH.

I don't think there are many here referencing that said article.

What we are doing is thinking forward to the damage that will inevitably be caused by FC speaking, as was hinted by the TMZ interview.

The legal proceedings of WR and JS were well under way before LN, but it was them speaking in LN that did the most damage to MJ, not the legal paperwork beforehand.

 

[MJJuniorSinceMW]

At the moment we are supposed to believe that 7 different kids were molested by MJ and all 7 did not tell a single soul about it until 20-30 years later after Michael Jackson had died and all around the time either themselves or their families got into financial difficulties.

Nor did they help Gavin Arvizo during the 2005 trial when they could have spoken up and put MJ behind bars and thus been safe from MJ and also have saved other potential molestation victims? So all of them turned into masterful liars that kept 100% silent? I just find that very hard to believe!

You find it hard to believe???

SMH

You do realize that MJ never did those things?
Those are the wild money hungry fantasies of some of the most vile people in existence.

Their lies & stories are so ridiculous, so brazen, so dumb & bold. It’s really laughable that anybody would give them the benefit of the doubt.


Another tidbit:
The Father of the family (Dominic Cascio) supposedly died recently. He was the original friend of MJ. He brought MJ into his family.

I think it’s no coincidence that now, that he is dead the backstabbing brats of his go full force with their BS plan.
He probably wouldn’t have wanted them to go this far.

 

[MJJuniorSinceMW]

I generally don’t wish bad things on nobody.

But there are some exceptions, especially in MJ‘s cosmos.

The Cascio‘s now rank very high on that list.

• the fake tracks
• the book „my friend…“ (MY ASS!!!)
• the shameless auctions
• then extortion #1
• and now this …

They all should go to hell!!!

 

[1nn5]

I hope they will not be allowed or able to do that if they get free´d up because I think that would pretty mean the case is impossible to win. If you have 7 different people showing up to witness about similar abuse and grooming etc, I just dont see with the 50.01 vs 49.99 % burden of proof in a civil trial how a jury or judge wont convict! As they would also think "oh its just the super rich companies or the Estate paying damages anyways"

it has nothing with proving or not, I'm saying this since the claims and the ask for is the same.

 

[kelley]

I don't think there are many here referencing that said article.

What we are doing is thinking forward to the damage that will inevitably be caused by FC speaking, as was hinted by the TMZ interview.

The legal proceedings of WR and JS were well under way before LN, but it was them speaking in LN that did the most damage to MJ, not the legal paperwork beforehand.

But the point is they didn't file a lawsuit yet, the estate went after them for extortion and breaking the agreement.

If the judges follow the law, frank will not be able to spread his lies. And they have no legal grounds to sue.

 

[apple🍎]

Isn't it weird Mark Geragos is involved in this? The timing is odd.

Remember that lunatic, Jonathan Oddi, saying all kinds of conspiracy theories to the cops...and the main one turned out to be true!

He also said Mark Geragos, Diddy’s lawyer, was involved in MJ's death. He was MJ's defense lawyer and now he switched. Odd to say the least.

 

[etoile 37]

But like you have noted before, it would be tough for Frank to bury MJ in the 2005 trial while excusing himself! Unless he claims he was being strung along by Michael Jackson via some kind of role play or that MJ was controlling him. At this point I would not be surprised by anything!

He was an adult at the time, so unless Michael was holding a gun against his head (which he was not), there is no possible excuse that could justify showing child porn to children. His only way out of that one is to say it never happened and the Arvizos were lying about it.

Unfortunately, I don't expect the media to ever confront him about this, but hopefully in court they will have him squirming on the stand.

The 5 co-conspirators were not indicted because the prosecution - Tom Sneddon et al, including Gordon Auchinloss and Ronald Zonan thought they had enough to convict.
Joe Tacopina, who would have represented the 5 co-conspirators as their defense attorney should they be indicted, thought it would be a TRIAL WITHIN A TRIAL,
which can cause the overall legal case to be protracted.
The conspiracy trial would have taken place before the actual Michael trial.
Furthermore, if the co-conspirators were acquitted, that would mean a shoe-in ACQUITTAL FOR MICHAEL, certainly a risk too big for Mad Dog (Tom Sneddon ) to stomach.

But that doesn't explain why Frank Cascio was not prosecuted for showing child porn to children, which had nothing to do with the conspiracy. The only reason is that Tom Sneddon only cared if the abuser's name was Michael Jackson.

 

[kelley]

He was an adult at the time, so unless Michael was holding a gun against his head (which he was not), there is no possible excuse that could justify showing child porn to children. His only way out of that one is to say it never happened and the Arvizos were lying about it.

Unfortunately, I don't expect the media to ever confront him about this, but hopefully in court they will have him squirming on the stand.


But that doesn't explain why Frank Cascio was not prosecuted for showing child porn to children, which had nothing to do with the conspiracy. The only reason is that Tom Sneddon only cared if the abuser's name was Michael Jackson.

All evidence points to the the fact that sneddon and his ilk KNEW Michael was innocent and they went after him anyway for vindictive reasons. They knew Arvizos were lying so why would they go through the trouble of indicting frank when he was not their target??

Their actions reveal A LOT. Way more than their words.

I also believe they knew Michael was innocent of the Chandler allegations as well. Which is why they never subphoened Evan or Jordan. And why they supported Ray Chandlers efforts to dodge testifying!! MJ's side fought to have ray Testify so they could cross examine him and he weaseled his way out of it with the prosecutors approval.

They didn't want Jordan or Evan on that stand for a reason. They lied and claimed he ran. No he did not. He was in the country the entire time and was even photographed by paparazzi during the trial!.

I think many people are uncomfortable with the idea that prosecutors, district attorneys and police officers would straight up frame innocent people and put them through sham trials. But that is a reality of the world we live in. I hate to bring race into it but you have to remember that Michael was a Black man who's success and wealth made certain people uncomfortable. There are plenty of cases where even White men have been completely persecuted by crooked prosecutors and wrongly convicted and jailed for decades for crimes they did not commit. So I don't know why anybody would doubt that the same could not happen to a Black man.

 

[Lightbringer]

But the point is they didn't file a lawsuit yet, the estate went after them for extortion and breaking the agreement.

If the judges follow the law, frank will not be able to spread his lies. And they have no legal grounds to sue.

So what about Geragos saying that you are not allowed to sign a NDA in california when child molestation allegations are on the table since 2019? Nobody has cleared that up in any way in the thread. I dont know these laws, but it would be pretty stupid for Geragos to insist that several times during the interview if it was just BS. Because the estate must be aware whether this is BS as well if Geragos intent was to scare the estate into paying a gigantic sum of money to make this go away!

For some reason that key point has not been answered. I have not read or opened the dailymail article, I am just going from the Geragos interview. If what he claims is true and the Cascios are free to roam near the release of the biopic and only months before the trial that is going to be sh1tshow!

Is there any time frame on when the ruling on whether the Cascios are bound to the "life rights" agreement or not?

Nevertheless its absurd to see the whole story about cascio kids allegedly being abused in the public eye when the estate was supposed to make them silent for life! Even for Michael Jackson standards this is bizarre situation!

 

[kelley]

So what about Geragos saying that you are not allowed to sign a NDA in california when child molestation allegations are on the table since 2019? Nobody has cleared that up in any way in the thread. I dont know these laws, but it would be pretty stupid for Geragos to insist that several times during the interview if it was just BS. Because the estate must be aware whether this is BS as well if Geragos intent was to scare the estate into paying a gigantic sum of money to make this go away!

For some reason that key point has not been answered. I have not read or opened the dailymail article, I am just going from the Geragos interview. If what he claims is true and the Cascios are free to roam near the release of the biopic and only months before the trial that is going to be sh1tshow!

Is there any time frame on when the ruling on whether the Cascios are bound to the "life rights" agreement or not?

Nevertheless its absurd to see the whole story about cascio kids allegedly being abused in the public eye when the estate was supposed to make them silent for life! Even for Michael Jackson standards this is bizarre situation!

So you're just going to ignore that they committed extortion?

anyway that california law might not have actually taken affect until 2022. People are looking into it.

Also The NDA said nothing about child molestation, it was simply a perfectly legal non disparage agreement. The Cascios signed it and then turned around and threatened the estate that they would put out disparaging claims about MJ unless they paid them more money.

Those fuckers have no case.

 

[innuendo141]

Mark Geragos does not come across as particularly smart or clever in this at all.

 

[innuendo141]

So, we can take for granted that this will of course be used or referenced in the trial for Safechuck and Robson. People can now say that there are 10 children with accusations against him (if this story is actually confirmed, that is) which unfortunately will gather legs and become another soundbite.

Whatever way you look at this, it is not good. What a shame this all is.

 

[zinniabooklover]

[...] For some reason that key point has not been answered. I have not read or opened the dailymail article, I am just going from the Geragos interview. If what he claims is true and the Cascios are free to roam near the release of the biopic and only months before the trial that is going to be sh1tshow! [...]

The trial has been postponed. Likely date Oct 2027.

 

[squirrelinthetree]

All this is so disgusting!

I believe they try to put pressure on the estate for the extortion, trying to show how easily they can cause how big a media reaction without the actual accusers even saying anything. I could imagine the Cascios are not especially keen on pulling things through. Even when there is big money around, personally advertising those pedofantasist stories might not be real fun, while they were out for the backstage extortion. So I still see a chance that they stop somewhere along the way (I know, Im trying to be optimistic). I agree with kelley that they are in trouble.

But if its a threat, its important that it catches as little attention as possible! I really liked how this forum handled the LN2 flop-release, making sure not to give it views. This could be a good moment to search the web for MJ-news and read (or at least click on) those that are decent or positive. In a German, non-cookie affected search, I dont find this yet, but maybe its more in social media. Instead I found that a nice MJ exhibition opened today in Germany (see German fans thread).

We are at the moment 100 readers from accross the globe registered under this thread, what if we all go trolling for the relevant news a bit?

 

[Peter_Pan]

Im indifferent when it comes to Branca and give the benefit of doubt to McClain. But now I'm thinking perpetual issues like this is probably why 50% of Mijac was sold to Sony.

Hedging - by liquidating MIJAC partially, they can invest the funds in other profitable ventures. If ever there is a situation where the MJ brand is tranished beyond repair (unlikely), where in the value of MIJAC falls drastically, it affects the Networth of the estate and also gives Sony favourable terms/leverage to administer the catalogue (in the event that the others companies aren't willing to be associated with the MJ brand, incase the estate isn't happy with Sony and want to move).

By handing over half of MIJAC, they also put onus on Sony to also do everything in their capacity to save the MJ brand, while still holding 50% and a chair at the board meetings.

Im not sure if Sony initiated efforts to sabotaged MJ for the ATV directly. But it's well know that they did let the MJ brand take a beating in the 2000's to have financial leverage over Mike's decision making.

Also, very evident now why the estate where favourable to the Casios, with the faking Michael episode.

Looks like they were aware that those songs were fake but tried to mitigate potential bad PR for the brand. Fake songs are bad but more child abuse allegations were way worse with potentially irreversible damage to the brand.

On a side note- kinda makes sense why 'Love never felt so good' was picked as the lead single of xcape with such heavy promotion. They reached a quick settlement with Paul Anka to end the negative publicity for the 'This is it' mishap, by promising him a lucrative financial deal by pitching his half baked demo, as the lead single and a promise of a certain hit.

In the sense that instead of throwing their own (estate's money) , they choose to mitigate the bad PR, by raising new money (for both) from the sales of LNFSG.

There has been speculation that Mike/Sony had done something similar, by adding Break of Dawn to Number ones, so that additional revenue could be generated for Dr Freeze who seemed disgruntled around that time.