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"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

kelley said:
And why do you think that? What evidence is there of him acting this way?
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because Prince is the one most directly involved with the estate and its projects. One day he's going to take Branca's place as head of the estate, he's currently the face of a charity foundation that relies heavily on MJ's image.

you need to understand that his dad is not just his dad anymore, he's a BRAND he's responsible for. I would never expect anything but a PR friendly statement from Prince.
 
Prince is an independent thinker, yes he's intellegent to not speak badly about the estate but when he speaks, it's how he views things. He's not a liar.

The biopic in fact has been filmed with respect, thought, and love for Michael. He believes in the project, and has poured a lot of himself into it.

The choices made to change the script has not been a choice by the people. aking the film. They did not spend millions of dollars, working day after day, often 16 hour work days to change directions, spend more, and do more.
 
Zizzistar said:
because Prince is the one most directly involved with the estate and its projects. One day he's going to take Branca's place as head of the estate, he's currently the face of a charity foundation that relies heavily on MJ's image.

you need to understand that his dad is not just his dad anymore, he's a BRAND he's responsible for. I would never expect anything but a PR friendly statement from Prince.
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So again you believe Paris who admits she only read an early draft of the script and then had nothing more to do with it??

But you're are sceptical of Prince who was actually there the entire time?

Ok. Well I guess there's nothing for to discuss with you.
 
kelley said:
So again you believe Paris who admits she only read an early draft of the script and then had nothing more to do with it??

But you're are sceptical of Prince who was actually there the entire time?

Ok. Well I guess there's nothing for to discuss with you.
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honestly, i just feel very confused by both of Michael's older kids right now. i think they behave on opposite extremes and it's safe to assume that they are having a fallout as well. the fact that they also had such extremely opposite things to say about this movie doesn't ease my confusion either.

maybe i went too overboard suggesting that Prince's approach is false or too PR-oriented, I admit that. I still would like them to address things more clearly instead of hiding behind "all is good and well" (him) and cryptic call outs that are never brought up again (her)

I am not saying that they owe people an explanation of what goes on in their private lives but at minimum I'd like some trasparency on this latest stuff pertaining MJ.
 
kelley said:
So again you believe Paris who admits she only read an early draft of the script and then had nothing more to do with it??

But you're are sceptical of Prince who was actually there the entire time?

Ok. Well I guess there's nothing for to discuss with you.
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To be fair, she also stayed on long enough to read at least a subsequent script to see they didn't take her changes into account. I think picking sides is not necessarily fruitful discussion; I think there's truth to both Paris and Prince's accounts. If I've learned anything from the production of this biopic, is that everyone involved has their own views and motivations for the film.
 
^^ This is what I will never, ever understand. Graham King researched the story for years. John Logan had research assistants helping him in the planning stages. Lionsgate will have access to experienced entertainment lawyers who would know that a settlement of the type Michael had to go along with would likely include some sort of restrictive clause. And you don't have to dig very far into the story for that detail to pop up. So the whole thing is weird. That said, they are all experienced so hopefully they can still create something good. 🤞
 
zinniabooklover said:
^^ This is what I will never, ever understand. Graham King researched the story for years. John Logan had research assistants helping him in the planning stages. Lionsgate will have access to experienced entertainment lawyers who would know that a settlement of the type Michael had to go along with would likely include some sort of restrictive clause. And you don't have to dig very far into the story for that detail to pop up. So the whole thing is weird. That said, they are all experienced so hopefully they can still create something good. 🤞
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the fact that i'm supposed to believe that the estate just forgot about that damn settlement is very bizzarre, showing that the extension of their incompetence knows no bounds.

John branca should have been immediately fired after this, i hope that the biopic doesn't give him more space and credit than he actually deserves.
 
t1mber said:
My opinion is that it's a precaution by the Lionsgate's bosses after the Cascio's extortion scheme has been described in that article.
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they don't understand how badly this will backfire, and every fan should hope that's not the approach they will use.

this movie feels more and more like a receipt for disaster, but we are apparently not allowed to express this sentiment or point that out without being accused of being here with an agenda.
 
Zizzistar said:
9they don't understand how badly this will backfire, and every fan should hope that's not the approach they will use.

this movie feels more and more like a receipt for disaster, but we are apparently not allowed to express this sentiment or point that out without being accused of being here with an agenda.
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This is not being made for the fans. Branca/the Estate is well aware that fans are more knowledgeable of MJs work and career than anyone they have employed from 2009 to date. They know they are fighting a losing battle against fans who have grown to expect a level of quality from something with Michael Jackson's name printed on it - something which has been rare since the releases started late 2009. Add to this, they will want this to be somewhat of a project of further rehabilitation for the MJ brand among the average listener.

They do not care about addressing the dark sides of MJs with accuracy and decorum. Just like everything else post 2019, its easier to go "Look, we got Thriller!" and point.

Without properly addressing or including such serious allegations that completely derailed his life will never ever lead to a good review from reviewers who will be surely out for blood given the delays, reshoots, confusion etc. They know they are hoping for a commercial hit, and thats all. Just like everything else with this Estate.

This film will annoy us.

Miles Teller is playing John Branca. Miles Teller.

How many of us were posting about John Branca back in 2002?

May is quite a bit away. Who knows what wil be thrown out next.
 
I cannot comprehend people like Branca. Greed for money/power motivates his soul. When Michael died he sold his catalog to Sony, the one thing Michael was fighting against. Michael's purity and desire to spread love & unity were seen as a danger to the evil system, he was making it known (the racism, malice, their corrupt agendas) and they silenced him for it. 💔
 
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With a big actor like Teller playing Branca of course he will be portrayed as a massive figure in Michael’s life and perhaps one who will be in constant conflict with Jaafar throughout the movie about all things business, personal persona etc and relationships with children , you bet your ass it will be Branca who tells Michael he should not be associating himself with kids and to think about his image etc.

Branca will be himself as advisor , his manger aka DiLeo all rolled into one.

Ps , is John McClain a recluse? I forget he even exists
 
Let's remember that cinema and filmmaking were Michael Jackson's biggest passion. he died without fulfilling his lifelong dream to star in a movie, or produce one. so, even more of a reason for why this movie feels so important, and that's why PJ's latest lashing feels kind of unforgivable to me. you don't get to shit in a project about your own father OTHERS have worked so hard for and, IN A MINUTE, contribute to the mediatic circus with your words alone, humiliating your father, his fans and actors such as Colman involved in this movie and just shrug, heading to the next event on the other side of the world while others have to pick up the mess.

I wonder how Jaafar Jackson is feeling at seeing so many people let this movie down, after sacrificing so much (including his own weight) to play his uncle. unfortunately, everyone involved in this BS, whether it's John Branca or PJ looks like a massive asshole and a walking disappointment.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
With a big actor like Teller playing Branca of course he will be portrayed as a massive figure in Michael’s life
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Branca was even involved in Thriller, which will certainly be addressed sufficiently in the biopic.
Branca was hired by Jackson as his lawyer in the early 1980s. Most notably, he helped with the production and release of Michael Jackson's Thriller and bought the Sony ATV Music Publishing in 1985.
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John Branca

John Gregory Branca, Jr. (born December 11, 1950) is an American lawyer and talent manager who worked with Michael Jackson for many years. He's currently the co-executor of the Michael Jackson Estate, alongside John McClain. Branca was hired by Jackson as his lawyer in the early 1980s. Most...
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MJ the musical was highly criticised for not addressing and covering the period of the allegations and yet it shows no signs of stopping.

I think if the biopic is good, it will be a success just as the musical and MJ One shows have been a success. The latter two are good, hence the success. It's not just us fans that are hungry for MJ content, the world still craves him too judging from how well those shows have done, and this is in spite of the media's constant mud slinging.

Admittedly, it's a wasted opportunity to not address the allegations with the correct gravitas it requires, but I think it was always going to be a case of the biopic being damned if it does address the allegations (critics will accuse it for whitewashing the narrative) and damned if it doesn't (critics will accuse it of ignoring the allegations), I hope it can at least strike a fine balance between the two.

The important thing is that it generates positive interest in MJ, and reminds everyone why he is considered the greatest performer of all time, because that's the real story. And thankfully the fans have done the tireless work of putting out enough information since LN to challenge and correct the false narratives around the allegations, even though that huge burden should not have been left to fans in the first place, and sadly may continue to be left to fans after the release of the biopic.

I choose to be open minded about the biopic, knowing that his own son and nephew are part of it also reassures me. I know the biopic will never meet my insatiable expectations when it comes to MJ content, but I will settle for a good and fair representation of MJ.
 
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If they are making two movies they can always address it in the 2nd part. Although I kinda doubt they'll do that at this point.
 
Hot_Street said:
Branca was even involved in Thriller, which will certainly be addressed sufficiently in the biopic.

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John Branca

John Gregory Branca, Jr. (born December 11, 1950) is an American lawyer and talent manager who worked with Michael Jackson for many years. He's currently the co-executor of the Michael Jackson Estate, alongside John McClain. Branca was hired by Jackson as his lawyer in the early 1980s. Most...
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Oh god Branca will be the brains behind MJ’s 80s success, he will get fired and then Michael’s life will go downhill before Branca gets hired again and saves the day ….
 
I feel like the media wanted the biopic to be this huge controversy and have all sorts of drama and they are the main ones pushing these negative stories while lionsgate and the people act working on the movie have been silent or positive when they did speak.

So in other words many fans are doing exactly what the media wanted and helping push their false negative narratives.

And Paris (who isn't very smart and very immature in my opinion) is also playing right into their game. She might think she's being a rebel and sticking it to Branca, but ultimately her little stunt only hurts Michael.

That what all anti -estate fans fail to realize, Branca is going to be rich regardless of how you feel about him. Not supporting the estates projects only hurts Michael and Branca is laughing all the way to the bank. Silly fans are often intentionally Michael's worst enemies
 
kelley said:
I feel like the media wanted the biopic to be this huge controversy and have all sorts of drama and they are the main ones pushing these negative stories while lionsgate and the people act working on the movie have been silent or positive when they did speak.

So in other words many fans are doing exactly what the media wanted and helping push their false negative narratives.

And Paris (who isn't very smart and very immature in my opinion) is also playing right into their game. She might think she's being a rebel and sticking it to Branca, but ultimately her little stunt only hurts Michael.

That what all anti -estate fans fail to realize, Branca is going to be rich regardless of how you feel about him. Not supporting the estates projects only hurts Michael and Branca is laughing all the way to the bank. Silly fans are often intentionally Michael's worst enemies
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The irony of you calling anyone a "silly fan". I'm sorry kelley, but I don't ever recall seeing a post of yours that isn't attacking an individual or a group of people in some way. I'm firmly in the camp that this film will likely be a shit show and I intend to express that fear on this forum to discuss with others. If that upsets you (or as usual, enrages you) you need to find a way to chill. We are all entitled to say and discuss what we want.
 
innuendo141 said:
The irony of you calling anyone a "silly fan". I'm sorry kelley, but I don't ever recall seeing a post of yours that isn't attacking an individual or a group of people in some way. I'm firmly in the camp that this film will likely be a shit show and I intend to express that fear on this forum to discuss with others. If that upsets you (or as usual, enrages you) you need to find a way to chill. We are all entitled to say and discuss what we want.
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@kelley is sometimes a bit blunt but I like her honesty and she is mostly right about being mindful, not only about the guilters but also the fans undermining MJ's legacy imo
 
Which sentences or dialogues from Michael's life should be included in the biopic? Except for the call from Evan Chandler, of course.
 
Hot_Street said:
Which sentences or dialogues from Michael's life should be included in the biopic? Except for the call from Evan Chandler, of course.
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I. Do not treat me like a criminal (video from Neverland after the strip search)
II. I'm proud to be a black American (Oprah interview)
III. I don't sing it if I don't mean it (little Michael in an interview)
 
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Which sentences or dialogues from Michael's life should be included in the biopic? Except for the call from Evan Chandler, of course.
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Hot_Street said:
Which sentences or dialogues from Michael's life should be included in the biopic? Except for the call from Evan Chandler, of course.
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“I am going to say something I have never said before and this is the truth. I have no reason to lie to you and God knows I am telling the truth. I think all my success and fame and I have wanted it, I have wanted it because I wanted to be loved. That’s all. That’s the real truth.”
 
Hot_Street said:
Which sentences or dialogues from Michael's life should be included in the biopic? Except for the call from Evan Chandler, of course.
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"In the past month I've gone from Where is he to... Here he is again. I don't read all the things written about me, I wasn't aware the world thought I was so weird and bizarre"
 
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