Michael Jackson killed by the Illuminati ?

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1)Have you red my recent posts? I wrote about Jews, explaining to afrika what i meant writing about theories.
2) Even IF there were people around Michael who are the members of Illuminati,it doesn't mean it's the job of whole organization...

ahhh...OK if we want to deal with the investigation and reach some conclusions we can't assume from the very beginning it was them

No one is saying it was definitely them, we just need to be aware that it's it's a possibility because...

1) They do exist
2) They have more than one motive
3) They have murdered numerous amounts of people before
4) They have enough power to kill pretty much anyone and cover their tracks

I do agree that we need to cover every angle of this investigation. I would really like to know if anyone has any information on whether Sony and AEG are linked to the illuminati? I realise the Illuminati control the music industry but I'm talking specific links i.e. Tommy Mottola etc. Does anyone have any info on this?
 
MJ#1WhoIsIt and Gaiaschild - Great posts! And thank you to Killa.bee for starting this thread, it needed to be brought to peoples attention.
 
Correct me if i'm wrong...but Karen Faye DID say something about a message Michael was planning on telling during his concerts, right? He was strong believer of the mayan calendar. Karen said Michael was gonna talk about 2012 and stuff...am i right?


The last videos have alot of info yes..but also the bullshitty ghost video...which is already well known to be just a shadow from someone in that house at that time....not MJ's ghost!!!!!!!
 
There was a book that came out in the 1980s called "Who Killed John Lennon?" It said that Chapman didn't own any Lennon records, and just had a couple of early Beatles records. But the media put out that Chapman was a really big "fan" of John's. It also said that Chapman was "programmed" by the government to kill Lennon. Sean Lennon said a few years ago that he believed the government had his father killed.
 
Correct me if i'm wrong...but Karen Faye DID say something about a message Michael was planning on telling during his concerts, right? He was strong believer of the mayan calendar. Karen said Michael was gonna talk about 2012 and stuff...am i right?


The last videos have alot of info yes..but also the bullshitty ghost video...which is already well known to be just a shadow from someone in that house at that time....not MJ's ghost!!!!!!!

Yes, Karen's facebook status said Michael had a message for us about healing the world and that we only have a few years left to do it in. Apparently he was going to tell us at the concerts. However, she deleated it the same day and I have messaged her asking her about it but received no reply.

I know what you mean about those clips on youtube - they are not very objective which isn't very helpful when conducting an investigation or searching for reliable answers. Unfortunately people do get carried away and exaggerate things to prove their point. I wasn't convinced by those clips either but I'm glad I watched them because they did lead me to research the Illuminati extensively and I do think Michael was very aware of them and tried to work against them. I think you have to look at everything as objectively as possible and trust your intuition on it.
 
They will not come out and tell you they are "THE ILLUMINATI" they are having to much fun with people who believe they dont exist or everything just happens on its own, not that its 99% controlled. Most people just know who they are. That would also break their Secret Society Oaths they take, but I do know they speak in SYMBOLS and other members know how to interpet these Signs and Symbols, remember all those SYMBOLS they showed at Michael's Memorial at the Staples Center? ? ?

here are few tidbits of some of their Self-Exposures:


http://videoeta.com/news.html?id=2616&rss=1
Sony quickly removed this trailor

http://www.slate.com/id/2206021/pagenum/all

http://www.leozagami.com/confessions/
Illuminati Confessions by a Defacted Member and Symbols

http://www.insidescience.org/research/study_says_world_s_stocks_controlled_by_select_few

http://www.metacafe.com/tags/illuminati/page-4/

http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/01.html
Who Really Runs America



Michael lastest Music he owned was Lady GaGa
http://www.newprophecy.net/madonnaastro.htm
Lady Gaga, The Illuminati Puppet


http://www.illuminati-news.com/shadow-gov.htm
 
You can find the answer in this thread

no i cant, none of the reasons given are realistic.

most of the world wasnt listening to michael jackson, the media berated and laughed at him, what possible threat was he?

i guess oprah is shaking in her shoes right about now, she has a larger avenue to the world to preach the good word than anybody else.

a neglegent doctor killed mj.

sneddon was acting out of his own hate. why would the all mighty powerful illuminati enlist such a stupid man, with pathetic witnesses if they have so much pulling power, they had nothing to do with it, it was a personal vendetta.

and you say they left the makers of angels and demons alone because they said it was fiction...if they were being exposed i don't think anyone saying "but it's only fiction" would be a good enough excuse for the rulers of the world that like to murder people...

i know these things are exciting to learn about, and the illuminati could possibly (i guess) be true in a sense, but they don't care about michael jackson. Unfortunately the press havent' taken michael seriously for a long time, and why would they bring the focus onto themselves by doing something so foolish as murder a famous entertainer. I guess if they are so powerful they would be watching this thread and would know who we all are and wont be happy that someone is trying to expose them.....

i just don't agree they killed Michael Jackson
 
no i cant, none of the reasons given are realistic.

most of the world wasnt listening to michael jackson, the media berated and laughed at him, what possible threat was he?

i guess oprah is shaking in her shoes right about now, she has a larger avenue to the world to preach the good word than anybody else.

a neglegent doctor killed mj.

sneddon was acting out of his own hate. why would the all mighty powerful illuminati enlist such a stupid man, with pathetic witnesses if they have so much pulling power, they had nothing to do with it, it was a personal vendetta.

and you say they left the makers of angels and demons alone because they said it was fiction...if they were being exposed i don't think anyone saying "but it's only fiction" would be a good enough excuse for the rulers of the world that like to murder people...

i know these things are exciting to learn about, and the illuminati could possibly (i guess) be true in a sense, but they don't care about michael jackson. Unfortunately the press havent' taken michael seriously for a long time, and why would they bring the focus onto themselves by doing something so foolish as murder a famous entertainer. I guess if they are so powerful they would be watching this thread and would know who we all are and wont be happy that someone is trying to expose them.....

i just don't agree they killed Michael Jackson


The media was making fun of him because they love him so much .

Michael Jackson was like the king of the media he was the only subject that everyone wanted / wants to read about . They wrote bad things about him when they didn't had nothing to wrote about but did you remember right after the speech he did of This is it how much loving words the media was spreading ? The king of pop is back , sold out shows .

You're way too negative about the press ... the only problem with the media is that they don't know when to stop they're too much busy with watching what sells

Also I think they used Michael to mislead the whole world and just lose the attention of the economic crisis it's really worser than you think
 
I think Oprah and just about everyone else on Planet Earth that cared or didnt care about Michael Jackson KNOWs Dr. Murray DIDNT MURDER MICHAEL JACKSON and IF HE DID HE WAS NOT ALONE; who is shakin in their BOOTS is John Branca, Frank Delio, Randy Phillips, Paul McCartney, Other Michael OWNED Publishing Holders Families and StockHolders, Tommy Mottalo and all those others who sat down at the round table to PLAN Michael Jackson's Murder those are the only people shaking in their boots and hoping they COVERED all their tracks of Money Laundering, Embezzlement and going and getting all those Drugs that Killed Michael Jackson. One thing about "Illuminati Members" they are Flesh and Blood and they die too just like Michael Jackson and the rest of us.
 
The media was making fun of him because they love him so much .

Michael Jackson was like the king of the media he was the only subject that everyone wanted / wants to read about . They wrote bad things about him when they didn't had nothing to wrote about but did you remember right after the speech he did of This is it how much loving words the media was spreading ? The king of pop is back , sold out shows .

You're way too negative about the press ... the only problem with the media is that they don't know when to stop they're too much busy with watching what sells

Also I think they used Michael to mislead the whole world and just lose the attention of the economic crisis it's really worser than you think



The media is horrible.....holy crap. There's no such thing as being too negative about the media. Look at how they 'covered' the 2005 trial....
that alone was beyond ridiculous, they barely had anything positive about Michael to tell, while Mike was in there...winning like crazy and Thomas Mesereau exposing that little lying brat kid. Come on now.

How about how they never fully explain what happened in 1993, they just say he paid the family off. No way, there was just so much more to it. If the media would cover that more...many people wouldn't talk so much crap about Michael, up to this day. The media has done alot of damage...

The thing with internet is....anyone can put a video together with stuff about Illuminati. I admit it...its very interesting to read about these kind of things, and personally i ain't gonna say i believe there's a illuminati, neither am i gonna say there ain't. i'm alittle in the middle of both.
 
I think Oprah and just about everyone else on Planet Earth that cared or didnt care about Michael Jackson KNOWs Dr. Murray DIDNT MURDER MICHAEL JACKSON and IF HE DID HE WAS NOT ALONE; who is shakin in their BOOTS is John Branca, Frank Delio, Randy Phillips, Paul McCartney, Other Michael OWNED Publishing Holders Families and StockHolders, Tommy Mottalo and all those others who sat down at the round table to PLAN Michael Jackson's Murder those are the only people shaking in their boots and hoping they COVERED all their tracks of Money Laundering, Embezzlement and going and getting all those Drugs that Killed Michael Jackson. One thing about "Illuminati Members" they are Flesh and Blood and they die too just like Michael Jackson and the rest of us.
What does Paul have to do with anything? Why not Yoko Ono then, since she controls John Lennon's half and Paul can't do anything without her. If Paul is against killing animals and campaigns for landmine removal, it doesn't make any sense at all that he would want to have somebody killed.
 
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I think Oprah and just about everyone else on Planet Earth that cared or didnt care about Michael Jackson KNOWs Dr. Murray DIDNT MURDER MICHAEL JACKSON and IF HE DID HE WAS NOT ALONE; who is shakin in their BOOTS is John Branca, Frank Delio, Randy Phillips, Paul McCartney, Other Michael OWNED Publishing Holders Families and StockHolders, Tommy Mottalo and all those others who sat down at the round table to PLAN Michael Jackson's Murder those are the only people shaking in their boots and hoping they COVERED all their tracks of Money Laundering, Embezzlement and going and getting all those Drugs that Killed Michael Jackson. One thing about "Illuminati Members" they are Flesh and Blood and they die too just like Michael Jackson and the rest of us.

I’m sorry but since Katherine and the kids get 80% of everything does that mean that they were at the round table meeting plotting Michaels death??…….and where do you get your information on embezzlement and money laundering?

As for the media, I guess I shouldn’t be so negative about the organisations that hounded, harassed, humiliated, lied, dehumanised, manipulated, fabricated and most probably completely depressed another human being just to sell a few magazines. Yay the media!
 
I’m sorry but since Katherine and the kids get 80% of everything does that mean that they were at the round table meeting plotting Michaels death??…….and where do you get your information on embezzlement and money laundering?

As for the media, I guess I shouldn’t be so negative about the organisations that hounded, harassed, humiliated, lied, dehumanised, manipulated, fabricated and most probably completely depressed another human being just to sell a few magazines. Yay the media!


OH no dont you remember that was one of the FIRST things Branca and his Attorneys fought for to keep Katherine Jackson from their Round Table Meetings, you must have forgotten its well documented in court reports and on the internet if you want to read it, No this just means that Katherine Jackson and Michael's "3" CHILDREN will get 80% of whatever John Branca and ALL Michael's other MURDERERS since this is a HOMICIDE; this means they will get whatever John Branca and Michael Jackson's MURDERERS leave for them after THEIR SPENDING and SELLING SPREES and since no one BUT John Branca KNOWS what's in the Trust and what is NOW in Michael's Estate that could end up being $1, 100, 1000 or if they feel really Generous or get a CONSCIOUS or redeem their SOUL out of Hell they may throw a few millions to them. We ALL have plenty of information that Michael Jackson was being Embezzled and that his Money was being Launder , because according to Michael's filing Lawsuits against his Accountants Firms which was overseen by his Attorneys they where STEALING from him, maybe you missed that too. Really the Media did Michael Jackson a Favor because now they will either REPORT HIS MURDER as a HOMICIDE; like Al Sharpton said lastnight on Larry King "this is a HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION which means MICHAEL JACKSON was THE VICTIM" or they will continue to try to project more brainwasing UNofficial Negativity and show just how BIAS they really are in the face of TRUTH, EVIDENCE and LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL REPORTS.
 
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It is interesting to read about the Masons and the Illumanati but I don't want to be brainwashed into every wim and fancy floating around these days. I want fact to back up stories. Look at the Da Vinci Code? I did buy the book on its initial release but it was writtent o make money..
Those Video on youtube made me squirm. I even commented on some of them,,It was gross how thy portraided Micheal as the Believer in the of the dead..From Thriller to Dnagerous? get real here. Michael had a disclaimer at the beginning of Thriller..which they didn't show..
Just like Bashir they edited it out for their purpose..Crap...

Doesn't the US dollar have the Freemason symbol on it?
 
OK, I dont know much at all about Illuminati but here is something I wanna share with you:

About 20 years ago, me and some friends were at a party in the Banquet room of a very nice hotel. Several of us had been introduced by the hostess to This Rich Black Guy and his Momma; just a few weeks before the party. So I had been around him before but had not heard him tell us what he was about to tell us:

A few of us was sitting at a round table along with his mother present( in a fancy Hat). He said he had written a book under another name. He gave us the pseudonym(sp) ( I won't post it). Can't remember if he said the title of the name of the book or not but he said the book was about secrets of the world, he had researched and uncovered. He told us, he began to recieve DEATH THREATS by a secret society of men who controled the world's view and who were very very wealthy and powerful. I will never forget, how I looked over at his mother to get her reaction and she was nodding her head at everything he said to us.
He said these men told him they would kill him( I swear this is the truth), but back then I can't say rather I truly believed him or not. For the most part my attention was going in other directions during some parts as he was talking.

He went on and on about how these men told him, they controled what the Media Put out and what the consumer would buy or not.

He said people don't believe this kind of thing is real but it is.

If I am not mistaken, he said something about he pulled the books off the shelves.

He told us, this secret society watched THE Rich and Famous very closely. I dont know how he and his mom became rich but they were loaded.

I wont forget him either. He was a black man with a French name.

I promise this is a true story, no doubt. Its creepy how much it sounds like what I know so far about Illuminati, which isn't much.
 
Michael had a disclaimer at the beginning of Thriller..which they didn't show..
Just like Bashir they edited it out for their purpose..Crap...

Doesn't the US dollar have the Freemason symbol on it?
John Landis wrote that disclaimer, not Mike, because Mike was going to destroy the Thriller footage because of the Jehovah's Witnesses. So the disclaimer was a compromise. The disclaimer has nothing to do with the Illuminati. The dollar is all NWO symbols, as well as some of the symbols on the older USA coins like the eagle holding sticks. The layout of Washington DC has some of their symbols like Molech the owl.
 
I don't discount anything, and want to look at all leads. Sorry, though, but I have to say that research into the Illuminati (if they exist?) might be digressive? I do think there was a conspiracy. I'm not sure it extended further, in my opinion, than a mega-corporation wanting to rob Michael of an asset. . Sony and ATV. And that there could be conspiratorial connections between AEG and Sony, for different, mutually beneficial purposes. And that Murrray was a fall-guy. Do the CEOs of these corporations have Illuminati connections? I have no idea, and doubt that will be discoverable by secret codes on album covers or whatever. I think the motive was much more simple. . .GREED. So, I worry that this trend is using up valuable energy, and if the perps read here, giving them a bit of peace of mind that we are barking up an impossible tree?

Carry on, though.

Vic
 
That is the real question, Victoria83, "Do the CEOs of these corporations have Illuminati connections?" It would be interesting to know who the wealthy players are, how much control they have, particularly over entertainment and the media, and what their agenda might be. Since Michael was indeed one of the greatest entertainers of our time on a global scale, wouldn't one want to know what may have been going on at the top and behind the scenes? I still can't getover the fact that Michael referred to Tommy Mottola as a "devil," while depicting himself as an "angel." That's not something to be ignored, though at the time it seemed crazy. I think it's important to look at this, to look at everything. Believe it or not, it's not always a person's talent that opens doors--it's also involves ties--people who want to use your gifts, but only in order to "control."

I heard about the existence of the Illuminati from a close relative who is in the music industry. I believe much of what he told me could have some truth to it. This relative describes them on a much smaller scale--nonetheless, as greedy and controlling, the ones who decide who will be stars and who won't. He says they are evil in a satanic way and that there is a struggle between them and those who know their agenda. People with ties to them (Illuminati ties/followers) are paid "puppets" who participate on some level in their "rituals" and they include high-profile religious leaders and those in sports, music, media, entertainment, you name it. If you don't do as they say, you are cut off or worse. As long as you go along with whatever they say, you are "safe." They aren't so worried about "small" people on the internet, trying to expose them--they are too powerful to care. I sense that there is a muzzle on people's mouths about Michael's death--I am talking about people in the entertainment industry. They will talk about his influence, his music, his legacy, but you won't hear them talk about murder. Some have said nothing at all and I wonder why. Do they really believe a doctor's mistake caused his death? And where were all of these "entertainers" who claimed to love him, during the trial, when fans quit their jobs to be there?!!

Whether or not the Illuminati had anything to do with Michael's death, I would not know. I do believe that there were those who were very angry with him. When Michael spoke when he was with Al Sharpton, he said, "They're mad at me." Why would "they" be mad? Why????? And why would Michael say at another time, "It's a conspiracy?" Why do people keep ignoring Michael's words? It gets on my nerves when people keep saying, "all these conspiracy theories." Michael's the one who started that one!

I am a woman, three years shy of 50! I have a family and a business, so no one who really knows me is going to call me with nonsense because I don't have time for it. I trust this relative (he's 46 years old) and what he shared with me--he was extremely emotional about it and I've never seen him that way before --and this was WAY BEFORE Michael's death. At that time, he asked me not to share it with anyone.

We don't have to be afraid--just aware. Open our eyes, listen, question things. THINK!
 
OK, I dont know much at all about Illuminati but here is something I wanna share with you:

About 20 years ago, me and some friends were at a party in the Banquet room of a very nice hotel. Several of us had been introduced by the hostess to This Rich Black Guy and his Momma; just a few weeks before the party. So I had been around him before but had not heard him tell us what he was about to tell us:

A few of us was sitting at a round table along with his mother present( in a fancy Hat). He said he had written a book under another name. He gave us the pseudonym(sp) ( I won't post it). Can't remember if he said the title of the name of the book or not but he said the book was about secrets of the world, he had researched and uncovered. He told us, he began to recieve DEATH THREATS by a secret society of men who controled the world's view and who were very very wealthy and powerful. I will never forget, how I looked over at his mother to get her reaction and she was nodding her head at everything he said to us.
He said these men told him they would kill him( I swear this is the truth), but back then I can't say rather I truly believed him or not. For the most part my attention was going in other directions during some parts as he was talking.

He went on and on about how these men told him, they controled what the Media Put out and what the consumer would buy or not.

He said people don't believe this kind of thing is real but it is.

If I am not mistaken, he said something about he pulled the books off the shelves.

He told us, this secret society watched THE Rich and Famous very closely. I dont know how he and his mom became rich but they were loaded.

I wont forget him either. He was a black man with a French name.

I promise this is a true story, no doubt. Its creepy how much it sounds like what I know so far about Illuminati, which isn't much.


I believe You. Its not that Hard to believe I dated a member of a very Successful and Popular Group still performing this month, and I was privi to alot of things in the UnderWorld of Entertainment and The Business Part of Entertainment, and Michael lived at such a High Level in this World of Entertainment most people cannot even imagine; his Days where NOTHING like ours; but its real what goes on in this world when Money is no object and everyone wants to be on your A-List and people will do anything for you. Some entertainers once they get to a certain level they never remember their existence they once lived before, this is when they step into Darkness because right now today you can take anyone of us any average person and give them Fame, Power and Money that anywhere we go in the World its Pandomonia and a Free Pass and just see how our lives would turn out with people pulling at you from all angles and setting traps for you everywhere, this is the real world of Celebrities, but make no mistake very few Celebrities even get to the LEVEL MICHAEL JACKSON was at. Its Real.



John Landis wrote that disclaimer, not Mike, because Mike was going to destroy the Thriller footage because of the Jehovah's Witnesses. So the disclaimer was a compromise. The disclaimer has nothing to do with the Illuminati. The dollar is all NWO symbols, as well as some of the symbols on the older USA coins like the eagle holding sticks. The layout of Washington DC has some of their symbols like Molech the owl.


Check this out on Page 3; it was JOHN BRANCA that forced MICHAEL to release THILLER after Michael TOLD JOHN BRANCA to DESTROY THRILLER, looks like John Branca had been CONTROLLING Michael for along time and Branca definantly did not follow his Employers request and was even lying and deceiving Michael from the beginning of their Business relationship:

"In The Thiller Video, Jackson turns into a werewolf But Jackson,
a Jehovah's Witness at the time, was scolded by Church Elders who
told him that his Werewolf transformation promoted Demonology.
Jackson ordered Branca to destroy the video before it was ever
released. "That was insane," said Branca, who had the master copy. "I couldn'td destroy it."

Desperate Branca called Jackson " Michael, you remember
Bela Lugosi? He was a very religious man" Branca had no
idea who Bela Lugosi, who played Dracula, was religious or not
"and Bela has a disclaimer on his movies that his films don't
endor-seva mpirism." Branca convinced Jackson to place a similar
disclaimer on Thiller



http://www.johnbranca.com/pdf/john_branca_shaman.pdf
 
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OH no dont you remember that was one of the FIRST things Branca and his Attorneys fought for to keep Katherine Jackson from their Round Table Meetings, you must have forgotten its well documented in court reports and on the internet if you want to read it, No this just means that Katherine Jackson and Michael's "3" CHILDREN will get 80% of whatever John Branca and ALL Michael's other MURDERERS since this is a HOMICIDE; this means they will get whatever John Branca and Michael Jackson's MURDERERS leave for them after THEIR SPENDING and SELLING SPREES and since no one BUT John Branca KNOWS what's in the Trust and what is NOW in Michael's Estate that could end up being $1, 100, 1000 or if they feel really Generous or get a CONSCIOUS or redeem their SOUL out of Hell they may throw a few millions to them. We ALL have plenty of information that Michael Jackson was being Embezzled and that his Money was being Launder , because according to Michael's filing Lawsuits against his Accountants Firms which was overseen by his Attorneys they where STEALING from him, maybe you missed that too. Really the Media did Michael Jackson a Favor because now they will either REPORT HIS MURDER as a HOMICIDE; like Al Sharpton said lastnight on Larry King "this is a HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION which means MICHAEL JACKSON was THE VICTIM" or they will continue to try to project more brainwasing UNofficial Negativity and show just how BIAS they really are in the face of TRUTH, EVIDENCE and LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL REPORTS.

you miss my point. you seem to think the illuminati will be gaining something from mj's death. the people that will gain most of his estate are katherine and the kids, i was being sarcastic as obviously they are not part of a plot to kill their son and father.

i'm sure people do embezzle and launder money, but not just from mj, it happens everywhere and i'm sure they are not all members of the illuminati.

his death is not considered murder at this time, homicide is not always murder.

i appreciate this discussion though and just because i have a differing opinion i still find it all very interesting, just some of it seems way to unreal and i think in everyones efforts to understand michaels death sometimes we may get a little carried away.
 
You're Right.

Alot people believe illuminite is a myth. The fact is they exist and they're evil. If you ask me at the moment they're Untouchable.

Incorrect.

Anything that has to exist in such secrecy with such cloak & dagger techniques is massively vulnerable. It has a great big weakness or one killer Achilles heel.

Illuminati or whatever collusion of powerful interests working together is anything but Untouchable.

I'm not scared of Illuminati & neither should you or anybody else. They're just human beings at the end of the day & human beings are fragile.

Remember power is singular. Either one has power all within itself individually or a collective gains power through unity. That 'Uni' in unity means 'One'. Unity exactly equals Oneness. That's its exact translated meaning.

The fact that there's a collusion of powerful interests suggests a Unity against all other people on Earth for their own selfish benefits.

The more powerful something becomes individually the less it needs others for support. Human beings are weaklings when you look at us in comparison to all creatures on the planet. Our saving grace is our brains aided by our opposable thumbs which craft the tools our brains devise to compensate for our inherent natural weaknesses.

That's why we have love & community. We have to support each other because even the most self-sufficient human is weak compared to what a collective society can do.

Those people have influence but individually they're weak. That's why they have to collude & conspire. Nothing can be done open, naked & direct. It has to go through some shadow or shade. The boldest person does something in plain sight in your face with you aware of what that person's doing. With weakness around, other ways must be devised to fulfill your plans.

I suggest people stop being spooked about Illuminati & work on countering their philosophy openly & directly. In plain sight.
John Lucas
 
Thank you for some wonderful posts Michaelwhoitis, moddie777, Timechi, and the others too who believe in the possible existence of the illuminati.

I only learnt about illuminati 3 years ago a friend of mine discovered chem trails and they were spraying stuff in the sky, that leaves these trails that don't go, they are not com trails this led her to research other info and I thought she was cracking up and through my support of her I discovered information that I was very resistant to it at the time, because I thought she was mentally ill, but I also knew she was gifted with researching things, it took me year of researching and reading absolutely everything to accept that there was some truth in it and I saw with my own eyes the spraying. Also on research we discovered journalists who had exposed this had ended up mysteriously dying, yet not many will know that, they weren't famous,

At first after MJ death I believed the drug stories but quickly I didn't believe them in a day or 2 and I believe them less and less as I discoveredmore info, I suspected sony and then possible illuminati involvement, although I wasn't sure if it was just sony mafia, but things I've discovered since have cracked for me further how the illuminati work , but i know so many people don't even believe in the illuminati so what I say may sound far fetched. I've been there too, I used to think it was far fetched.

One of the things was my suspicion over deepak chopra and his drug stories to the media as soon as MJ was dead and I thought it wasn't very spiritual to sell drug stories to the media especially as MJ was tortured and abused by the media, also I didn't think a true friend would dream of doing that. I just didn't believe on a gut instinct,I then learnt that Gotham spent his childhood at neverland when the chandler allegations broke flew around the world with MJ at his expense, and I think MJ gave Deepak money for his centre. But Deepak or gotham did not come out in defence of MJ at the time when it could have benefited MJ to have that support. I find that sinister although maybe it is ott. Also his book publishing company random house is owned by one of the wealthiest families in the world the MOHN family who keep changing their name, an illuminati family. I then discovered that Deepak is in the Illuminti political think tank the Club of Rome, along with people like kissinger and rockerfella and others and there is some talk of what this organisation is with illuminati researchers. It is not a secret you can find info on all of this stuff, but it isn't well known, I fist learnt of Deepak association from another forum and then Ihad to some research to get evidence of it. I think Deepak is just at the low level ie he is planting stories or he is at a higher level and the spiritual thing is just a mask to hide his true motivations behind.

The illuminati work like this they infiltrate.


Times are changing and they can't keep their secrets any more they are being exposed and I think MJ death has exposed some more of them.
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I don't know how we can get justice for Michael, we can only go with our hunches and what the truth is in our hearts and that is different for all of us. I don't know if we will get to the truth though because these people go to extreme lengths to hide the secrets, they don't mind a few knowing as that suits them to have a bit of disagreement and if it gets ridiculed, it suits them further. They just don't want too many people to know, that scares them.

My only fear is that the truth won't come out about what happened to Michael and he will not get justice , I don't know where is the right place to share but I feel I have to share certain info for Michaels sake because it is what I believe to be closer to the truth. I feel a real kindred spirit with others those that have some similar experience or understanding of TPTB that exist, and their involvement with MJ death. I think Mj would still be alive if he had just followed the status quo and he had not had such a beautiful heart, it was impossible for him to follow what he felt was wrong because of his integrity, kindness and love for humanity

Incidentally one of the youtubes on sony vs Michael was getting a lot of hits and it has gone from youtube now, it was posted on here a few times, there is one other one killer thriller party 1 and 2 of Michael exposing Tommy Mottola and Sony, so if anyone can download it before that goes too otherwise we may not have proof Michael ever said it.
 
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Michael Jackson was an addict, that killed him. The Illuminati didnt force that stuff in his body. That ignorant doctor didnt help either. In my opinion people have to have these storys to try to make Michael out to be an angel, they cant accept him just passing in a normal way, he was human. Were people after him? of course, its obvious there were peope who used and lied on him for money but I dont believe this Illuminati crap, just my opinion though. Do you really think the Illuminati is concerned about a pop star? please, get off it.
 
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Michael Jackson was an addict, that killed him. The Illuminati didnt force that stuff in his body. That ignorant doctor didnt help either. In my opinion people have to have these storys to try to make Michael out to be an angel, they cant accept him just passing in a normal way, he was human. Were people after him? of course, its obvious there were peope who used and lied on him for money but I dont believe this Illuminati crap, just my opinion though. Do you really think the Illuminati is concerned about a pop star? please, get off it.

If you believe everything you are told by the media, crikey have you always believed the media around Michael

I can accept him passing the normal way, if that is what happened, as I said I did originally but there is way too much weird stuff around MJ death from the doctor inconsistencies and the misinformation around.

YES..I do think TPTB is worried about a pop star with the global iconic status Michael has/had and the message he has on healing the world and TPTB and his ability to unite, people globally, you have only got too look at the millions of people around the world who joined in the birthday celebrations to know his ability to unite people, it is quite extraordinary,no other celebrity of our times has had that ability. ESP one that one that owned half of sony. They aren't stories, it is the TRUTH
 
This is why i have a strong hate not just for the media but these capitalist entities that want to control our world...... you look at everything that is going on in our society capitalism is what is reflected, from commercials,television, materialist objects,music,environment etc What i'm noticing now as being a huge trend in America is the effect of Green Capitalism as a way to pass off as something that will make a "true change in our world" while many people may not know but it so happens that Exxon,PBShell,etc have a hand in these advertisments promoting their "environmental change" how are we supposed to trust these entities when we know they are the ones destroying it!!?? If you truly want to learn about these entities and how much power they have on our lives and on our environment you should check out the documentary "The Corporation" it really speaks truth about the capitalist agenda that is in control of our world. This is also why i don't buy Obama's lies, many of the brainwashed republicans claim he is a socialist however that is completely and utterly false! he's a conservative democrat who has already killed many american and civilian lives with this war, He still serves the lobbyists and corporations but they dont want you to know that. Like many others have put it, it is the rich who get richer and the poor who get poorer, because at the end of the day they don't give a **** about you and me, or the millions dying in third world countries, all they care about is their next pay check!! F_k these fascist pigs!!!
 
If you believe everything you are told by the media, crikey have you always believed the media around Michael

I can accept him passing the normal way, if that is what happened, as I said I did originally but there is way too much weird stuff around MJ death from the doctor inconsistencies and the misinformation around.

YES..I do think TPTB is worried about a pop star with the global iconic status Michael has/had and the message he has on healing the world and TPTB and his ability to unite, people globally, you have only got too look at the millions of people around the world who joined in the birthday celebrations to know his ability to unite people, it is quite extraordinary,no other celebrity of our times has had that ability. ESP one that one that owned half of sony. They aren't stories, it is the TRUTH


his death has united people more so than anything that happened during his life. People are rallying, getting together, spreading his word...the illuminati would have to know that his death, especially in suspicious circumstances would incurr the interest of the world, Michael Jackson would become popular again, so many fans in life just imagine the enormity of what he would become in death. If the illuminati didn't want his message of peace being spread why would they kill him and make the world interested in michael jackson again....either the almighty powerful illuminati are incredibly stupid or they had nothing to do with his death.
 
Michael Jackson was an addict, that killed him. The Illuminati didnt force that stuff in his body. That ignorant doctor didnt help either. In my opinion people have to have these storys to try to make Michael out to be an angel, they cant accept him just passing in a normal way, he was human. Were people after him? of course, its obvious there were peope who used and lied on him for money but I dont believe this Illuminati crap, just my opinion though. Do you really think the Illuminati is concerned about a pop star? please, get off it.

Also the translation of the word angel means messenger and I beileve Michael was a modern day messenger.

No one is saying he was perfect, but to say he had integrity, a kind heart and a love for humanity is the TRUTH
 
his death has united people more so than anything that happened during his life. People are rallying, getting together, spreading his word...the illuminati would have to know that his death, especially in suspicious circumstances would incurr the interest of the world, Michael Jackson would become popular again, so many fans in life just imagine the enormity of what he would become in death. If the illuminati didn't want his message of peace being spread why would they kill him and make the world interested in michael jackson again....either the almighty powerful illuminati are incredibly stupid or they had nothing to do with his death.


The concerts would have done that anyway, and I think it is multi faceted ie financial reasons, you do have point of course, I just think they can't stop his message, no matter how hard they try, the force for good and light against darkness is stronger in MJ case,but whether anyone goes down for murder of course is another thing. I hope so., but I'm not holding my breath. I will watch and observe with interest.
 
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If there is a such thing as this Illum, it is the wicked system that we live in which is run by greedy people who don't care about the poor, underprivileged and desperate people of this world. All they care about is keeping themselves rich and the rest of us lacking. And the way to do that is by keeping the minds of the people dumbed up, drugged up or dead. In that vein, I do believe that Michael was a force that was not suitable nor acceptable by the powers that be. Love, unity and world peace (which Michael stood for) is in direct conflict with greed, power and control.

I agree with this very much so.
 
That is the real question, Victoria83, "Do the CEOs of these corporations have Illuminati connections?" It would be interesting to know who the wealthy players are, how much control they have, particularly over entertainment and the media, and what their agenda might be. Since Michael was indeed one of the greatest entertainers of our time on a global scale, wouldn't one want to know what may have been going on at the top and behind the scenes? I still can't getover the fact that Michael referred to Tommy Mottola as a "devil," while depicting himself as an "angel." That's not something to be ignored, though at the time it seemed crazy. I think it's important to look at this, to look at everything. Believe it or not, it's not always a person's talent that opens doors--it's also involves ties--people who want to use your gifts, but only in order to "control."

I heard about the existence of the Illuminati from a close relative who is in the music industry. I believe much of what he told me could have some truth to it. This relative describes them on a much smaller scale--nonetheless, as greedy and controlling, the ones who decide who will be stars and who won't. He says they are evil in a satanic way and that there is a struggle between them and those who know their agenda. People with ties to them (Illuminati ties/followers) are paid "puppets" who participate on some level in their "rituals" and they include high-profile religious leaders and those in sports, music, media, entertainment, you name it. If you don't do as they say, you are cut off or worse. As long as you go along with whatever they say, you are "safe." They aren't so worried about "small" people on the internet, trying to expose them--they are too powerful to care. I sense that there is a muzzle on people's mouths about Michael's death--I am talking about people in the entertainment industry. They will talk about his influence, his music, his legacy, but you won't hear them talk about murder. Some have said nothing at all and I wonder why. Do they really believe a doctor's mistake caused his death? And where were all of these "entertainers" who claimed to love him, during the trial, when fans quit their jobs to be there?!!

Whether or not the Illuminati had anything to do with Michael's death, I would not know. I do believe that there were those who were very angry with him. When Michael spoke when he was with Al Sharpton, he said, "They're mad at me." Why would "they" be mad? Why????? And why would Michael say at another time, "It's a conspiracy?" Why do people keep ignoring Michael's words? It gets on my nerves when people keep saying, "all these conspiracy theories." Michael's the one who started that one!

I am a woman, three years shy of 50! I have a family and a business, so no one who really knows me is going to call me with nonsense because I don't have time for it. I trust this relative (he's 46 years old) and what he shared with me--he was extremely emotional about it and I've never seen him that way before --and this was WAY BEFORE Michael's death. At that time, he asked me not to share it with anyone.

We don't have to be afraid--just aware. Open our eyes, listen, question things. THINK!

Good post.


Also Philip Answutz who owns AEG also controls the internet media outlet the examiner.com and is running stories on MJ and other media outlets. It STINKS

http://www.b12partners.net/wp/2009/0...is-own-empire/

Also my partner just researched this information that Tom Barack of Colony Capital who own Neverland bought the Savoy hotels with Blackstone which is linked to Jacob Rothschild. Rothschilds are one of the most synonymous family names linked to the illuminati. What they have done to some of the poorest people in the world such as the Indian Farmers is horrific for there own greed. This was his mail to me

QUOTE"Colony Capital bought the Savoy with a company called Blackstone which is linked to Jacob Rothschild which means Colony are definitely linked to TPTB!
Colony Capital owns some property at Mirabel in France. The ski resort and ski lifts at Mirabel were owned by Tom Hall who owned half of Oxfordshire and who I worked for at International Language Centres. I always thought he was linked to MI6 and the schools gave him access to places like Libya and the Lebanon. He was ex army Colonel." QUOTE

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/no...a-1155106.html

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/t...ectors/banking_and_finance/article1892785.ece

These powerful people involved with MJ death probably for profit are very powerful and that is why they will get away with it. Dr Murray will take the rap, and may walk at best he will get a short spell, I don't think that is likely due to tainted evidence

Philip Answutz owner of AEG, Tom Barrack owner of Colony Capital ,Dr Tohme who worked for colony capital are linked.
John Branca and AEG and Sony are connected further info on this thread.http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2180337#post2180337


I want to try and remember Michael's message for healing the world and what Michael stood for because I feel that is the only thing to do in this horrible horrible saga with Michael's death
 
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