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Michael Jackson Manslaughter Prelim - 30 Witnesses

mjdove said:
NO THE TRUTH!
Stupid were these endless "discussions" from fans about the "frail constitution" and how sick and thin, only a skeleton, Michael should have been, and above all that he was a "junkie" and so and so on, I have followed all the time. I avoided the boards and or the threads in which this has been gabbed again and again. Again: Murray should send you (may be) a thank you.
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I know - I am praying that all of that ish won't have an effect on the trial. :angel:
 
I wonder what those witnesses will say as they were not present in the room. As far as I know a witness is a person who sees something happen and is able to describe it to other people. Those people were not in the room with Michael and Murray.
 
mjdove said:
NO THE TRUTH!
Stupid were these endless "discussions" from fans about the "frail constitution" and how sick and thin, only a skeleton, Michael should have been, and above all that he was a "junkie" and so and so on, I have followed all the time. I avoided the boards and or the threads in which this has been gabbed again and again. Again: Murray should send you (may be) a thank you.
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Yes, because I guess, Murray's defense team is spending time on fan boards, collecting ideas, because otherwise they wouldn't know what to do. :doh:
 
you would be surprised. its exactly what sneddon did during 03 05
 
My intuition tells me that Michael Jackson was murdered, and I know
his murderer(s) will not escape the wrath of God.
I hope the murderer(s) are reading this post.
If you murdered Michael Jackson, know this: Hell awaits you.
 
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kasume said:
This is good news. Still keeping my head up on the prosecution though.....I still don't trust them.

These charges need to be bumped up to murder.

How could Murray have accidently killed this begging hardcore drug addict if there was not any sign of addiction in the autopsy???

That is a question he must answer in court, along with how he thought cpr with one hand on a bed would be so effective. I think that's the first question they must ask him.
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I agree, but is there even the slightest chance of this happening? I mean the charges were allready sett up and I believe that once the court case starts they can't change the charges, right? I'd really like to know this.

Involuntary manslaughter in my head means causing someone's death by having acted wrongfully and not knowing about it. Surely giving CPR on the bed can't be considered as something the doctor didn't know could be wrong? Neither was giving CPR with one hand, waiting for 40+ minutes before calling 911, giving propofol outside of a hospital, not having any equipment for resuscitation in the room, not having a crew to work with or even leaving the pacient unattended!

How on earth can the charges be involuntary manslaughter again???:bugeyed:bugeyed
 
I agree, but is there even the slightest chance of this happening? I mean the charges were allready sett up and I believe that once the court case starts they can't change the charges, right? I'd really like to know this.
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charges can change. they can change in the prelim for starters. either by the pros or by the judge adding others on although i think thats quite rare
 
elusive moonwalker said:
charges can change. they can change in the prelim for starters. either by the pros or by the judge adding others on although i think thats quite rare
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Do you think it's possible for this to happen in this case though?

Are there any other possible charges, besides IVM and murder? Is there something in between? Because I suppose murder would be difficult to prove. But on the other hand - if convicted, how long will he be serving in jail? 4 years, right? That's ridiculous!!!
 
Are there any other possible charges, besides IVM and murder? Is there something in between?
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well theres voluntary MS which is killing someone in the heat of passion or during a argument. that is one below murder and one up from involuntary MS

Do you think it's possible for this to happen in this case though?
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not really interms of the MS charge. but i still dont get why theres no charging for covering things up etc we will know at the prelim.

if convicted, how long will he be serving in jail? 4 years, right? That's ridiculous!!!
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at the most. unless theres any add ons. but not sure how that works. but tbh itsthe same in most countries. the sentences are so light cause its all about intent and with this form of MS its viewed there was no intent
 
from the syringe thread

Judge Pastor stated that he would revisit the Medical Board of California's request to suspend Murray's license at the end of the preliminary hearing.

Both parties agreed that they were ready and prepared for January 4th preliminary Hearing. 9am-4:30pm with hour lunchbreak. Possibly two weeks. There will be an overflow courtroom each day.
 
Murray did not call 991 until he was sure that mj was dead,,,,and he did not leave the hospital until he was sure that the doctors announced him dead !
 
If this goes to trial, we are so gonna win. The evidence is all against murray.
 
so far we know that : Karen Faye, Michael Bush. Dr. Tracey will testefy for the proscutors !
some people expected that Prince will be there too !
maybe Dr.Arnold Kelin still have some sense to help MJ !
 
Ohood said:
so far we know that : Karen Faye, Michael Bush. Dr. Tracey will testefy for the proscutors !
some people expected that Prince will be there too !
maybe Dr.Arnold Kelin still have some sense to help MJ !
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Say what? :bugeyed

Clearly I've skim read this thread and missed a lot of information.
 
have those names been given offically? or just guessing. cause the witness list in the actual trial can be very long. it doesnt mean all those named will testify. in 03 05 u had to name everyone who might poss appear cause u couldnt add names later. re the prelim will we even get a list or will it just be as they appear
 
I will like to say happy new years to you all and wishing you all well.

I really want justice for MJ there is so much infro that I info that i will love to share with you all if only I had the chance to meet you all and address everything its just to painful its hard when you are told 100% the truth when you get yourself involved with a hole different world this is really heart breaking for me to the point I stop viewing MJ forums many fans send me PMS and all but i just don't answer them what i know will really shake up the internet world. God bless MJ for doing what he really didn't want to do but what he had to do.
 
karen fake and M. Bush ....many many times said in their social network accounts that they will not talk about MJ's death becuase they will be in court for the witness stand. even in that TV interview, they both hinted that they will be careful about what they say becuase they might be called as witnesses.

personally i wish they do not show up , becuase so far all they did is supporting Murray's claims...since she also claims that MJ was a very dpresses drug addict and out of it most of his last year !

maybe Karen fake was ALSO refering to Joe and Kathrine's suite case ,
U know as long as she can get $$ she will be available anywhere!
 
mjdove said:
NO THE TRUTH!
Stupid were these endless "discussions" from fans about the "frail constitution" and how sick and thin, only a skeleton, Michael should have been, and above all that he was a "junkie" and so and so on, I have followed all the time. I avoided the boards and or the threads in which this has been gabbed again and again. Again: Murray should send you (may be) a thank you.
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This is nothing to do with what Murray is saying..

he is trying to claim MJ woke up in frustration and injected himself with propofol..

...nothing to do with 'sick and thin, only a skeleton etc.' talk.

Please don't blame your fellow fans.


Ohood said:
so far we know that : Karen Faye, Michael Bush. Dr. Tracey will testefy for the proscutors !
some people expected that Prince will be there too !
maybe Dr.Arnold Kelin still have some sense to help MJ !
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What??

So these two.. KF who started the whole thing about MJ being thin, weak, skeleton, ill, not fit to do the shows etc.. and MLB who is not as bad as KF but agrees with basically all that.. THEY are testifying for the prosecution..? I really hope to God that Karen Faye is not a witness she frickin lies and twists everything. She's best buddies with Randy & believes in the whole conspiracy that Sony & the Estate guys killed him.

If she says all that that she has said before, what will that do? Will it not help the defense?

(edit).. & oh yeh I remember her 'out of it' comments too Ohood!

what a great prosecution witness she'd be NOT.
 
Today..while reading this....it hits me again.
Is it possible ? How is this possible ??!!
I never thought I will have to think about something so horrible and unbelivable as this.
Michael is gone.
I don"t know how to explain this....it feels like a nightmare again.
And if justice is not done, I honestly don"t know how will I survive.
I am so afraid.
 
zpredra5 said:
Today..while reading this....it hits me again.
Is it possible ? How is this possible ??!!
I never thought I will have to think about something so horrible and unbelivable as this.
Michael is gone.
I don"t know how to explain this....it feels like a nightmare again.
And if justice is not done, I honestly don"t know how will I survive.
I am so afraid.
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There is no need to fear.
Michael Jackson is "forever".
Michael Jackson now is one with God's Angels.
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Thetruthbetold said:
I will like to say happy new years to you all and wishing you all well.

I really want justice for MJ there is so much infro that I info that i will love to share with you all if only I had the chance to meet you all and address everything its just to painful its hard when you are told 100% the truth when you get yourself involved with a hole different world this is really heart breaking for me to the point I stop viewing MJ forums many fans send me PMS and all but i just don't answer them what i know will really shake up the internet world. God bless MJ for doing what he really didn't want to do but what he had to do.
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please feel free to post in my support thread which I posted to try let us all come together and help each other during these very trying/upsetting times.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100771
xx
 
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/01/michael-jackson-conrad-murray-concert-tour-bad-dangerous-dehydrated/
TMZ has learned ... Michael Jackson's weakened state during various concert tours throughout his life -- as well as preparations for the London concerts that never took place -- could become powerful evidence in the defense of Dr. Conrad Murray.

Sources connected with the criminal case tell TMZ ... there's "compelling evidence" that MJ was in weakened health whenever he went on tour. Specifically, people who went on various tours -- including the "Bad" and "Dangerous" concerts -- say Jackson was frequently "dehydrated, medicated, and sleep-deprived."

Just like with Dr. Murray, Jackson had a doctor who accompanied him during rehearsals and tours, attending to his needs.

The point ... the grueling concert schedules reduced MJ to a physical mess, prone to relying on and demanding drugs to sleep.

The "This Is It" London tour was especially grueling, because AEG added dozens of concert dates for Michael, who was already in an extremely weakened state and terrified he would fail.

All of this dovetails into a defense theory ... that Jackson felt enormous pressure to rehearse for the "This Is It" tour, and when he couldn't sleep he relied on Propofol to do the trick. The defense believes when Murray walked out of the room and Jackson woke up, he accidentally infused himself with a fatal dose of the drug out of frustration and fear.
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If Murray get away with this, I'll stop believing in justice.
 
Someone posted this on this board and it's so true:


If Michael was that fragile when he was on tour and Dr. Murder knew that he was fragile at the time he was rehearsing for the This Is It tour, that is all the more reason he should not have been giving him propofol or any of the other various drugs he gave Michael.

It is also all the more reason the Dr. Murder is guilty because he was not providing medical care in the best interest of his patient (treating the dehydration and finding ways to help him eat appropriately).

What the Dr's. did or did not do previous to Michael's death (I don't condone any of them doing as Dr. Murder did - if they in fact did the same) is not relevant in this case because those Dr's. were not there the night Michael died. Those same Dr's. did not inject propofol into Michael on 06-25-09 without apporpiate monitoring equipment and leave the room while their patient was under the influence of this dangerous drug (among other things Dr. Murder did wrong in this case).

The most sad thing about things about this is, Michael is gone and his kids are without their dad plus Dr. Murder is not being tried for murder. 4 years max is all he faces. That is a travesty!

I don't care who the patient is (could be a homeless guy for that matter), doctors that do as Dr. Murder did to Michael, should be locked up for life!

Posted at 1:55 AM on Jan 1, 2011 by Unbelievable
 
kissybissy said:
I wonder what those witnesses will say as they were not present in the room. As far as I know a witness is a person who sees something happen and is able to describe it to other people. Those people were not in the room with Michael and Murray.
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they are not necessairly witnesses to the crime but witnesses to support the evidence in that the prosecution has against muarry.

Billie Jean 78 said:
I agree, but is there even the slightest chance of this happening? I mean the charges were allready sett up and I believe that once the court case starts they can't change the charges, right? I'd really like to know this.

Involuntary manslaughter in my head means causing someone's death by having acted wrongfully and not knowing about it. Surely giving CPR on the bed can't be considered as something the doctor didn't know could be wrong? Neither was giving CPR with one hand, waiting for 40+ minutes before calling 911, giving propofol outside of a hospital, not having any equipment for resuscitation in the room, not having a crew to work with or even leaving the pacient unattended!

How on earth can the charges be involuntary manslaughter again???:bugeyed:bugeyed
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well, dr.muarry being charged in court period is a HUGE step. usually cases like this a handled by the medical board and he would lose his license or something like that. so we may not like that the charge is sooo low, but i rather him be charged with something than not charged at all
 
I wonder what those witnesses will say as they were not present in the room. As far as I know a witness is a person who sees something happen and is able to describe it to other people. Those people were not in the room with Michael and Murray.
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the prelim is about showing probable cause nothing more. so u might have a witness that confirms that murray arrived at carolwood in the early hours of the 25th so he is placed at the crime scene.for example
 
ForeverBeInPeaceMichael said:
i pray the court goes on as :heart:Michael wishes.... :pray:
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I will fully stand behind this statement as it says it all for me.
We must always draw strength from the certainty that Michael is overseeing it all. He is powerful as he has always been and we are the amplifiers of his voice.
 
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