Michael - The Great Album Debate

Ladies and gents, I do not know what this type of singing is called, wether its falsetto or head voice...

But one thing is for sure, there is nothing like this on the Cascio songs. These are just examples I thought about in my head:

http://soundcloud.com/pentum/mj-special-falsetto

Tell me "believers", do you hear this in the Cascio songs? If so, where?
 

you know what I started writing you a reply but then deleted it all. Because once again you fail to discuss the issue and turn this to a personal post about me with your "you" statements. Every time I regret that I stop ignoring you.

You my friend is quite insulting. Goodbye.
 
And also a nice snippet of what JM is capable of to fool the MJ fans:

http://soundcloud.com/pentum/do-i-do-hq-snippet-aca

Heard he grew up in queens, got a bullet to the brain..." :)

Ladies and gents, I do not know what this type of singing is called, wether its falsetto or head voice...

But one thing is for sure, there is nothing like this on the Cascio songs. These are just examples I thought about in my head:

http://soundcloud.com/pentum/mj-special-falsetto

Tell me "believers", do you hear this in the Cascio songs? If so, where?
 
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Originally Posted by Pentum
Ladies and gents, I do not know what this type of singing is called, wether its falsetto or head voice...

But one thing is for sure, there is nothing like this on the Cascio songs. These are just examples I thought about in my head:

http://soundcloud.com/pentum/mj-special-falsetto

Tell me "believers", do you hear this in the Cascio songs? If so, where?
Always brilliant. You're right, that falsetto is completely absent from the Cascio tracks.
 
you know what I started writing you a reply but then deleted it all. Because once again you fail to discuss the issue and turn this to a personal post about me with your "you" statements. Every time I regret that I stop ignoring you.

You my friend is quite insulting. Goodbye.

Goodbye

p.s.

I was confused to see that you previously adamantly argued that vocal authentication is weak at best but in this instance seemed to support the analysis just because his name was available and he wrote a blog about what he did. You didn't see the actual results of the test, you didn't know the certainty percentage or the error rate but suddenly to you it started to look like the perfect analysis because you knew the guys name.
 
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Goodbye

p.s.

you are a lot smarter to understand that I don't mean the message to be addressed to me with a "you" but I'm mentioning the unnecessary personal statements made about me such as

And your simple answer - belittling my answer / opinion

You obviously believe what fits your arguments. - unnecessary comment

Do you ever question what you read? Or do you put pink glasses on before reading things? - unnecessary personal attacks

You are advocating for common sense and being rational, but you are being irrational with such an argument. - unnecessary personal comment

You CAN make your points without putting me , my personality etc into the mix. If you CAN'T then you go on to my ignore list.

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you are a lot smarter to understand that I don't mean the message to be addressed to me with a "you" but I'm mentioning the statements personally made about me such as

You're being oversensitive. Ask and I'll explain instead of accusing me. I have no interest in personally attacking anyone.

such as

And your simple answer - belittling my answer / opinion

Read again your own post. I was using your own words. You said
The answer is simple : You don't show your hand early.
, so I used your own formulation and said "your simple answer" without belittling you.

You obviously believe what fits your arguments. - unnecessary comment

You accused me of supporting Elvis's forensics making people believe with your public post that I believe in things that suit my theory, when I clearly stated black on white that Elvis's Estate was much more clever than MJ's Estate for not rushing to trust the forensics and release the tracks as genuine. You were completely deforming my words and put words into my mouth that I had never said.

Do you ever question what you read? Or do you put pink glasses on before reading things? - unnecessary personal attacks

This is not a personal attack but a genuine question. Why do you question Elvis's forensics and not MJ's? Regarding the pink glasses, it's a figure of speech, not an attack.

You are advocating for common sense and being rational, but you are being irrational with such an argument. - unnecessary personal comment

You do present yourself as rational, I was just repeating your own words. And I explained the reason why your argument with Elvis's forensic didn't sound rational. You don't really know the man and you already judged him guilty. What if he was right? Have you ever tried to imagine if that forensic was right about Elvis's voice?

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@Bumper

I don't care. I don't like your tone towards me. You have changed a lot. I don't want anything to do with you. It's my fault to again start responding to you thinking that things will change or be better. You as always lack empathy (yes a personal statement). The End.
 
@Bumper

I don't care. I don't like your tone towards me. You have changed a lot. I don't want anything to do with you. It's my fault to again start responding to you thinking that things will change or be better. You as always lack empathy (yes a personal statement). The End.

I was talking about Cascio tracks and the similar situation with Elvis's forensics. I don't even know why you are changing the subject.

Once you say the situation is similar but not as I think. And another time you say the situation is similar more than I think.

Now, all of sudden we're talking about empathy and goodbyes.
 
Ladies and gents, I do not know what this type of singing is called, wether its falsetto or head voice...

But one thing is for sure, there is nothing like this on the Cascio songs. These are just examples I thought about in my head:

http://soundcloud.com/pentum/mj-special-falsetto

Tell me "believers", do you hear this in the Cascio songs? If so, where?

*sigh* What a beautiful sound :wub:
 
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I know this is old but I thought it was interesting enough for a repost. It has nothing to do with me. It was done by the French fans. It has been translated quite poorly.

IMPORTANT : comparative analysis of "Keep Your Head Up" and "Break of Dawn" by a scientific expert in signal processing and conclusions .

Good evening again everyone,This comparative analysis and its conclusions are published by 'JOY', a Michael's fan, on the MJFrance.com's website (French fans club), here below the translation :

'I entrusted the comparative analysis of ‘Keep Your Head Up’ and ‘Break of Dawn’ to a scientific expert in signal processing, its conclusions are follows: - Regarding ‘Keep your head up’, the cutoff frequency is (Very strange) to 11 khz while much of the energy Michael Jackson's voice was at frequencies between 12 and 14 Khz. - The characteristic spectral lines of Jackson's voice doesn’t found in ‘Keep your head up’. - This recording (‘keep your head up’) has the meaning of frequency term a rectangular form which suggests the possible use speech synthesizers. - We can not find anywhere rays at 7.5 khz, or lines at 5 khz, or lines at 12.5 khz or at 13.1 khz lines... characteristics of the true voice of Jackson. - Conversely, the frequencies appear at 4.1 kHz, at 8.5 kHz, at 10.2 kHz, at 12.2 kHz (even if it was very artificially vert attenuated) that the real Michael Jackson did not use.

This analysis was done using the method of 'FFT' (Hamming’s method, at 65.5 khz).

The conclusions are that 80% of risks that it isn’t Michael Jackson who sings on ‘Keep your head up’, and the idea suggestiving vocal synthesis, in addition to an imitator in the choruses, is quite plausible.'
 
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I know this is old but I thought it was interesting enough for a repost. It has nothing to do with me. It was done by the French fans. It has been translated quite poorly.

IMPORTANT : comparative analysis of "Keep Your Head Up" and "Break of Dawn" by a scientific expert in signal processing and conclusions .

Good evening again everyone,This comparative analysis and its conclusions are published by 'JOY', a Michael's fan, on the MJFrance.com's website (French fans club), here below the translation :

'I entrusted the comparative analysis of ‘Keep Your Head Up’ and ‘Break of Dawn’ to a scientific expert in signal processing, its conclusions are follows: - Regarding ‘Keep your head up’, the cutoff frequency is (Very strange) to 11 khz while much of the energy Michael Jackson's voice was at frequencies between 12 and 14 Khz. - The characteristic spectral lines of Jackson's voice doesn’t found in ‘Keep your head up’. - This recording (‘keep your head up’) has the meaning of frequency term a rectangular form which suggests the possible use speech synthesizers. - We can not find anywhere rays at 7.5 khz, or lines at 5 khz, or lines at 12.5 khz or at 13.1 khz lines... characteristics of the true voice of Jackson. - Conversely, the frequencies appear at 4.1 kHz, at 8.5 kHz, at 10.2 kHz, at 12.2 kHz (even if it was very artificially vert attenuated) that the real Michael Jackson did not use.

This analysis was done using the method of 'FFT' (Hamming’s method, at 65.5 khz).

The conclusions are that 80% of risks that it isn’t Michael Jackson who sings on ‘Keep your head up’, and the idea suggestiving vocal synthesis, in addition to an imitator in the choruses, is quite plausible.'

It's creepy as hell that one of my dreams this last night had something to do with Keep Your Head Up and Break of Dawn...
 
I think im a believer now.....derp

Kornex posted a mashup snippet called King of Pop with Higher quality Cascio tracks, a slower KYHU and a monster snippet.
 
I think im a believer now.....derp

Kornex posted a mashup snippet called King of Pop with Higher quality Cascio tracks, a slower KYHU and a monster snippet.

Those snippets have been around for ages. It just makes the disparity between the voices even more obvious.
 
I think im a believer now.....derp

Kornex posted a mashup snippet called King of Pop with Higher quality Cascio tracks, a slower KYHU and a monster snippet.

YOu can try to slow down all the Cascio songs to maybe hear MJ. :D Ins't it sad that you have to manipulate songs in order to maybe guessingly hear MJ's voice?
 
Ok? if you have something i dont please let me know. Im just saying, the ones i have "as a waveform" look like a highpass filter was run over them.
 
So the purpose of that snippet was to show it is Michael on the Cascio songs? I wasn't sure, but thought that something like that was the idea behind it.

If that snippet is supposed to be convincing, than it says a lot about the person who made it. He doesn't hear what most doubters hear.
 
Changing your opinion now because of 5-6 snippets that last for 1-5 seconds each?

Come on... If that's true then you really didn't have any real opinion.
 
He is talking to me. Im still debating in my head if it really is 100% Michael. theres so much aganist the songs though...I do have an opinion...its just i tend to overthink things, and second, triple, and quadruple guess. Im also not a very good test taker :p lol I guess ill say on on a fine line "a tightrope if you will" in between doubter and believer, though i tend to stumble to the doubter side.


I still do think Monster is the most convicing out of all of them. though the Falsetto puzzles me should the song turn out to be Michael.
 
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