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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Arklove said:
Yeah, I mean, with all that, I'm not really questioning if it's really her, per se...It must be.....I just think she said it possibly due to the reasons I believe that I posted earlier....That's all I can think of....
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That she's been "brainwashed" to believe that? With all the "MJ politics" that's been going on since his death, I'm more inclined to believe that someone may've used her account to post that. But that's only conjecture.
 
Jesta said:
That she's been "brainwashed" to believe that? With all the "MJ politics" that's been going on since his death, I'm more inclined to believe that someone may've used her account to post that. But that's only conjecture.
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Well, I don't necessarily believe she was brainwashed....As far as we know, no Jacksons or anyone else in that circle has even uttered that HT is fake...So, no, I don't believe the brainwashing theory....
 
KingMikeJ said:
It appears Jason has deleted that tweet about working with Teddy.
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Huh, so he has. The fact that Teddy specifically is supposedly working with him is accidentally telling us something that they don't want to know...? Though a tribute album will be good for comparison's sake.
 
Arklove said:
Well, I don't necessarily believe she was brainwashed....As far as we know, no Jacksons or anyone else in that circle has even uttered that HT is fake...So, no, I don't believe the brainwashing theory....
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OK, sorry for the misunderstanding. King had a theory that she's only heard the auto-tuned version and that's made her unsure. It's the most logical hypothesis, that's for sure.
 
To clear up any doubt that it is Paris: As well as uploading that picture, she is being followed by verified accounts such as George Lopez, Austin Brown, Chris Brown and Jaden Smith.
 
I wouldn't take what Paris says seriously at this point.

Even when the kids and family said it wasn't him I didn't really trust them.

You can never be so sure these days... You just have to go by what you hear, what your instincts and logic and heart all tell you.
 
Jesta said:
Huh, so he has. The fact that Teddy specifically is supposedly working with him is accidentally telling us something that they don't want to know...? Though a tribute album will be good for comparison's sake.
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Yes. And it would be good if he covered some MJ songs for example, Monster or Keep Your Head Up. You know, just to pay tribute.
 
I only brought it up because - even though they are children at this time - they are the future of the Estate and what happens now will affect them when they come of age to helm what's left. They are put in the backseat and they'll base their style of managing the Estate based on how they see it being managed today and alter it how they see fit. Their opinions now should be seen as valuable information so we know just how their future management of the Estate will play out.

KingMikeJ said:
Yes. And it would be good if he covered some MJ songs for example, Monster or Keep Your Head Up. You know, just to pay tribute.
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Oh, that would be EXTREMELY helpful!!!!
 
Jesta said:
OK, sorry for the misunderstanding. King had a theory that she's only heard the auto-tuned version and that's made her unsure. It's the most logical hypothesis, that's for sure.
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Well, that's what I said earlier as well - that she possibly only ever heard the auto-tuned version and concluded that it's not him..That, along with the fact that she was a child when it was recorded (assuming she could have been there while he recorded it)..and if she wasn't there, then how familiar is she with the song? Is she only familiar with the auto-tuned version? That's what I think...She tweeted it, and never made any big issue out of it...so who knows how seriously she feels about it...
 
Arklove said:
Well, that's what I said earlier as well - that she possibly only ever heard the auto-tuned version and concluded that it's not him..That, along with the fact that she was a child when it was recorded (assuming she could have been there while he recorded it)..and if she wasn't there, then how familiar is she with the song? Is she only familiar with the auto-tuned version? That's what I think...
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She would've been... 2 years old? That sounds about right, so it's highly unlikely that she remembers the initial recording, at least. It's highly probable that she did indeed just hear the finished Teddy product.
 
Jesta said:
I only brought it up because - even though they are children at this time - they are the future of the Estate and what happens now will affect them when they come of age to helm what's left. They are put in the backseat and they'll base their style of managing the Estate based on how they see it being managed today and alter it how they see fit. Their opinions now should be seen as valuable information so we know just how their future management of the Estate will play out.
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That is why I hope that in time Paris realizes Hollywood Tonight is Michael.
 
KingMikeJ said:
That is why I hope that in time Paris realizes Hollywood Tonight is Michael.
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Exactly. This is a crucial time for them because if they differentiate proper and improper ways of managing Michael's legacy, they could fall in the same trap that Branca and McClain did. They're good kids, but their prime example of management has screwed it up big time with us, and I don't think that the kids are aware of just how big the impact of it all is. That's what I'm worried about most. They need to learn how to manage the Estate properly by the time they come of age.
 
^^ Well, to be fair to the kids, they're just that - kids....They really shouldn't have to be worrying at this point in their lives how their father's estate is being managed....They'll have enough to worry about when they come of age...
 
Arklove said:
^^ Well, to be fair to the kids, they're just that - kids....They really shouldn't have to be worrying at this point in their lives how their father's estate is being managed....They'll have enough to worry about when they come of age...
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I know, but - and not to sound patronizing or demeaning - kids at their age are pretty impressionable, and this album's release came at a time when initial mourning had passed and upholding his legacy has in theory become the main concern. It's not a call for them to grow up, that's not what I'm saying at all, it's a call for the Estate to be a good role model to them, because their choices will influence how they run the Estate in the future. As such, their opinions on Estate matters - how infrequent they may appear - will give a good insight into how they'll manage it in the future.
 
^^ Well, when you say it like that in terms of the Estate being a good role model...I can definitely agree with you there...

As you said, though...Kids at their age are impressionable...but hopefully by the time they get older, they'll have developed their own sense of business as a result of the Estate hopefully getting their f*cking act together....lol
 
Arklove said:
^^ Well, when you say it like that in terms of the Estate being a good role model...I can definitely agree with you there...

As you said, though...Kids at their age are impressionable...but hopefully by the time they get older, they'll have developed their own sense of business as a result of the Estate hopefully getting their f*cking act together....lol
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Exactly, and that's why I think the next year is absolutely crucial. Bad 25 is the last chance for quite a few of us for them to redeem themselves. If they manage to pull off a respectful tribute to the legendary album and get their act together as you said, then the kids will have a good role model.
 
Actually, the children are the beneficiaries of the Michael Jackson Estate. They may not be the one who are going to "manage" the Estate when they come of age. (Ivy can definitely help here.) There is a huge difference between being a beneficiary and being an administrator. As a matter of fact, the children will not have any control of the Estate until the age of 30.

We tend to think the Estate is going to be in the hands of the children in the future. But, that's not exactly right. I mean the children can choose to keep appointing John Branca and John McClain or other people to manage the Estate. The children may not have all the skillsets to handle all the business aspects. Let's say Prince wants to follow his dream and become a director. He's not going to sit in the corner office and review all the deals entered by the Estate.

Lisa Marie Presley didn't manage the Elvis Presley Estate. Actually, I believe she sold her shares to a private equity firm a couple years ago. So, she does not have any voting power over the Estate affair.

Michael's children can choose to be heavily involved in managing their father's legacy. They can also choose to follow their own paths and have their own careers. It's up to them. I guess fans should not have any expectations that the children will be the successors of Messers Branca and McClain. It's too soon to tell.
 
KingMikeJ said:
^So what happens when Branca and McClain die? Who controls the Estate?
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If I were to make a guess, it would either be a Jackson family member (most likely the kids unless they pawn it off to someone else) or maybe they could leave control of it to someone in their wills? I'm not sure about the last point.
 
KingMikeJ said:
That is why I hope that in time Paris realizes Hollywood Tonight is Michael.
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I think by the time they take over the Estate they will have matured and grown up enough to look further into stuff, when i was a young teenager I would never have researched for demos or handwritten notes etc, I know she's family which is odd but still y'know, she may be more involved in stuff. I would assume she's only really heard the album version of the song, I doubt the family were allowed special access to listen to hundreds of demos/songs.
 
Jesta said:
If I were to make a guess, it would either be a Jackson family member (most likely the kids unless they pawn it off to someone else) or maybe they could leave control of it to someone in their wills? I'm not sure about the last point.
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Nope. If Mr. Branca and/or Mr. McClain become disable or retire, they can appoint their successors. If they decease without appointing anyone, Bank of America will run the Estate. The Jackson family has absolutely no say in how to run the Estate. Basically, Mr. Branca and Mr. McClain and/or appointees can run the Estate until the children become 30.
 
love is magical said:
Nope. If Mr. Branca and/or Mr. McClain become disable or retire, they can appoint their successors. If they decease without appointing anyone, Bank of America will run the Estate. The Jackson family has absolutely no say in how to run the Estate. Basically, Mr. Branca and Mr. McClain and/or appointees can run the Estate until the children become 30.
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OK, thanks for the info!!
 
You know, it makes me cringe when I see on YouTube comments that people say HT,Monster and Breaking News are fake and Keep Your Head Up is legit LOL.
 
It's the fact that fans have no idea how these songs are created and have to wonder whether we are listening to Michael makes me cringe. :sigh:
 
Jesta said:
Er... Paris Jackson's Twitter account has been proven real by her holding up the name of the account in a photo. Name, the real thing is: she said that Hollywood Tonight wasn't real. This indirectly affects this debate, so I think it should be discussed.
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I've wanted to talk about this for a while. Sorry i missed the main discussion about it today. I've thought Paris's account was legit for months . . . it's either real, or it's someone doing the BEST impersonation of michael jackson's 13 year old daughter of all time

fact: hollywood tonight is michael jackson. no question about it (isn't it funny how when you know a song is michael, you don't need 1000 pages to debate it's authenticity? ;)) So why would paris say it was fake?

I don't doubt that paris knows her dad's voice incredibly well. Honestly? I think she was playing with us a little bit. that's my theory. just a joke--and why not? i would hate to believe she really doesn't think it's him, and i'm almost 100% sure it's really her account. so that's the only way i can reason it out.

and to Dorian, who brought up youtube comments: youtube comments are the WORST. i need to stop reading them for any and all michael jackson videos, including the fake tracks haha
 
KingMikeJ said:
Yes. And it would be good if he covered some MJ songs for example, Monster or Keep Your Head Up. You know, just to pay tribute.
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On that subject, It seems Jason has actually recorded those two! See....


He sure helps us in all this mess ;)
 
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