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Michael - The Great Album Debate

That new profile picture I have... I got it directly by @MJonlineteam!!! They said it's the early CD artwork!

^^ One of their tweets,made me laugh lots!!
 
KingMikeJ said:
I would support this campaign if it was just about not wanting any more Cascio singles on official CD releases. Unfortuantely, it has been ruined by all the Jason Malachi/the songs are fake stuff.
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That's the whole point of it. We believe completely and wholeheartedly that all the Cascio tracks are performed by Jason Cupeta. They have no place on an MJ album. As one of the tweets says:

"NEWcdCASCIOfreeWe fight for justice
Of course you can have your own opinion, but the evidence is clear -> It's @Jason_Malachi"

By the way, that is not Jason's real account. It's a fake.
 
StellaJackson said:
That's the whole point of it. We believe completely and wholeheartedly that all the Cascio tracks are performed by Jason Cupeta. They have no place on an MJ album. As one of the tweets says:

"NEWcdCASCIOfreeWe fight for justice
Of course you can have your own opinion, but the evidence is clear -> It's @Jason_Malachi"

By the way, that is not Jason's real account. It's a fake.
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I would support the campaign simply because it is not worth it to release more Cascio tracks if it is going to cause this much controversy in the fan base but whoever started that campaign has lost themselves another few hundred supporters by being too ignorant to stick to the main point. The point of the campaign should be: "We don't want any more Cascio songs released".
 
KingMikeJ said:
I would support the campaign simply because it is not worth it to release more Cascio tracks if it is going to cause this much controversy in the fan base but whoever started that campaign has lost themselves another few hundred supporters by being too ignorant to stick to the main point. The point of the campaign should be: "We don't want any more Cascio songs released".
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They are not ignorant at all. The main point is that the songs are fake. The controversy was a by product of the songs being fake.
 
^^ I do agree with KingMikeJ on this one....I think the actual main point (whether you're a believer or a non-believer) is that the songs should NOT be included in future releases....It's true we may get more supporters if we stick to that main issue...I think we all can agree that these songs have caused way too much controversy, even if you believe they're real.
 
Arklove said:
^^ I do agree with KingMikeJ on this one....I think the actual main point (whether you're a believer or a non-believer) is that the songs should NOT be included in future releases....It's true we may get more supporters if we stick to that main issue...I think we all can agree that these songs have caused way too much controversy, even if you believe they're real.
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If people believe the songs are real they should prove it with some good comparisons and coherent explanations that don't rely on absurd excuses. The extensive comparisons show an exact match for Jason's voice and all the nuances of his technique. I have already shown that Michael wasn't even in NJ for as long we've been led to believe.
 
StellaJackson said:
If people believe the songs are real they should prove it with some good comparisons and coherent explanations that don't rely on absurd excuses. The extensive comparisons show an exact match for Jason's voice and all the nuances of his technique. I have already shown that Michael wasn't even in NJ for as long we've been led to believe.
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Well, you don't need to convince me ;) But, I'm just saying that to get a wider support from fans, it should focus on the fact that we all don't want Cascio songs in the future releases. No matter which way the debate bounces, we can ALL agree on that.
 
I guess the campaign will get a more widespread support if we don't mention the name Cascio at all. We want future releases to be handled in a manner that upholds to Michael's artistic integrity. We want quality releases. We don't want excessive processing, manipulations and editings. We want demos to be released as-of. Or, at least, to have the original demos released side-by-side with the finished product.

To many people here, Cascio tracks are synonyms to fabricated songs. But, the questionable practice is not limited to the Cascio recording sessions. In the future, Sony can dress up demos Michael recorded with someone else. To many fans, we are a group of people who target the Cascio family. But, we aren't. Or, may be I should only speak for myself, I don't dislike the Cascios. I'm indifferent. I just don't like the way Eddie handled the songs. To me, the most important thing is that we don't get another Eddie Cascio style production in the future.
 
love is magical said:
To many fans, we are a group of people who target the Cascio family. But, we aren't. Or, may be I should only speak for myself, I don't dislike the Cascios. I'm indifferent. I just don't like the way Eddie handled the songs. To me, the most important thing is that we don't get another Eddie Cascio style production in the future.
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I do target the cascio family. i don't like eddie. to me he didn't "handle" these songs at all. he made them up.
 
The campaign is called 'Next Album Cascio Free'. This means NO Cascio material on the albums.Think they are real or not doesn't matter in this case,they just want the album to not have the tracks on which would be easier for Believers and Non-believers.
 
StellaJackson said:
http://twitter.com/#!/NEWcdCASCIOfree

Please join if you support the campaign. Thanks.
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I cant support thats campaing even though ..

I would 100% support next album casio free without all the conspiracy added to it ..

you are loosing supporters in doing it that way. If you stated regardless of who is on the tracks
we want next album casico Free you would get pretty much the whole fanbase supporting you.

it depend on what your main objective is .. if it just to have next album casico free you will gain much support
if it is for other reasons and other objectives .. not so much ... Thats just how it is - but its your campaign.
 
the campaign would get more support it it was just said no to cascio songs due to the controversy and division they caused.

the minute you add 100% Jason Malachi, Fake and Fraud claims you are 1)forcing an opinion 2) removing the people on the fence about the songs 3)publicly making criminal allegations. therefore it will be limited to hardcore doubters. and honestly that mockery pictures isn't helping your argument IMO. It just makes it seem childish and heavily obsessed.

Today even though I believe songs to have MJ's vocals, I would be happily be a part of an respectful and balanced action that said "please no more of these songs" just because I know and lived through all the turmoil and the debate it caused. Unfortunately this is not it.
 
^^I agree with Ivy this time. It'll be a more effective advocacy if we remain as objective as possible. We simply don't want highly processed songs with questionable vocals. Our efforts will be stronger when we can find a common ground.
 
ivy said:
the campaign would get more support it it was just said no to cascio songs due to the controversy and division they caused.

the minute you add 100% Jason Malachi, Fake and Fraud claims you are 1)forcing an opinion 2) removing the people on the fence about the songs 3)publicly making criminal allegations. therefore it will be limited to hardcore doubters. and honestly that mockery pictures isn't helping your argument IMO. It just makes it seem childish and heavily obsessed.

Today even though I believe songs to have MJ's vocals, I would be happily be a part of an respectful and balanced action that said "please no more of these songs" just because I know and lived through all the turmoil and the debate it caused. Unfortunately this is not it.
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First of all this is not my campaign. I was simply pointing people towards it as it is relevant to this topic. The organisers of that particular campaign clearly believe the songs are fake - just look at the twitter background they have. You are right that they would indeed have more supporters if it encompassed all the reasons, but they obviously feel that they are fake and have chosen to go down that route. It is their campaign, hence their choice. In regard to the points you rasied. 1) "forcing an opinion." The campaign is aimed at like minded people who already feel the same way so it is hardly forcing an opinion. 2) "removing the people on the fence" Already addressed this. It is not a campaign for people on the fence. It is not a campaign to have songs removed because of the trouble they have caused. It is because the organisers believe that the songs are fake. 3) "publicly making criminal accusations." Absolutely. That's because they are criminals. Jason Cupeta, Eddie & Frank Cascio and James Porte are guilty of fraud and deception. I will gladly state that publicly myself and welcome them to challenge me. They won't, for the same reasons that they have ignored the concerns of Michael's (their friend's) fans all this time. They are cowards who have something to hide. As for your comment that the picture is mockery. Indeed it is. Just like they made a mockery of Michael by creating fraudulent and subpar songs in his name, which he himself was not ever involved in. You may not agree but the evidence for it being Jason far outweighs the evidence (none) that it is Michael. Anyway, after all the fuss it caused, that will be the last time I bother to post stuff that people might be interested in. It should also be noted that they had a facebook page, which Sony made facebook remove. So much for free speech. Just what do they have to hide?
 
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I don't wanna cause any dispute here, but why would anyone sign a petition to remove the Cascio songs from the forthcoming albums if they enjoy those songs and if they believe they're genuine?

If someone asked me to sign a petition against songs that I believe are genuine, controversy or not, why would I even bother to sign it if I hear my idol? Let's say that people argue about "Hollywood Tonight" or "Behind the Mask" claiming it is not MJ. Hell no, I wouldn't sign any petition because I know it IS MJ singing them. On the contrary, I'd want more releases, not less. I just don't get it.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I don't wanna cause any dispute here, but why would anyone sign a petition to remove the Cascio songs from the forthcoming albums if they enjoy those songs and if they believe they're genuine?

If someone asked me to sign a petition against songs that I believe are genuine, controversy or not, why would I even bother to sign it if I hear my idol? Let's say that people argue about "Hollywood Tonight" or "Behind the Mask" claiming it is not MJ. Hell no, I wouldn't sign any petition because I know it IS MJ singing them. On the contrary, I'd want more releases, not less. I just don't get it.
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Thank you Bumper. That's the entire point I was trying to make. Believing the songs are real but not wan'ing, sorry wanting, them on another album makes no sense. If people believe they are real then they would be able to prove it and there wouldn't be any controversy.
 
Well, I completely agree with Ivy and people who advocated for a common ground. Theoretically it is possible and we already tried to create such a campaign, but it didn't work. As I said, in reality how many believers would really sign NOT TO HEAR their idol?

Would anyone of you sign against:

"Do you know where your children are"
"Blue gangsta"
"Slave to the rhythm"
...?
 
We can't have common ground when there are still people who can't tell the difference between Michael and an impersonator. It's sad.
 
StellaJackson said:
First of all this is not my campaign. I was simply pointing people towards it as it is relevant to this topic. The organisers of that particular campaign clearly believe the songs are fake - just look at the twitter background they have. You are right that they would indeed have more supporters if it encompassed all the reasons, but they obviously feel that they are fake and have chosen to go down that route. It is their campaign, hence their choice.
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I never said it was your campaign

In regard to the points you rasied. 1) "forcing an opinion." The campaign is aimed at like minded people who already feel the same way so it is hardly forcing an opinion.
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fine but they will stay as a small group then.

2) "removing the people on the fence" Already addressed this. It is not a campaign for people on the fence. It is not a campaign to have songs removed because of the trouble they have caused. It is because the organisers believe that the songs are fake.
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again then it will stay a small campaign

3) "publicly making criminal accusations." Absolutely. That's because they are criminals. Jason Cupeta, Eddie & Frank Cascio and James Porte are guilty of fraud and deception. I will gladly state that publicly myself and welcome them to challenge me. They won't, for the same reasons that they have ignored the concerns of Michael's (their friend's) fans all this time. They are cowards who have something to hide. As for your comment that the picture is mockery. Indeed it is. Just like they made a mockery of Michael by creating fraudulent and subpar songs in his name, which he himself was not ever involved in. You may not agree but the evidence for it being Jason far outweighs the evidence (none) that it is Michael. Anyway, after all the fuss it caused, that will be the last time I bother to post stuff that people might be interested in. It should also be noted that they had a facebook page, which Sony made facebook remove. So much for free speech. Just what do they have to hide?
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let's clarify something accusing someone of a crime isn't free speech it's defamation. so yeah they can get stuff removed on that basis, if they want they can even file lawsuits. if you want to roll the dice, fine. most logical people wouldn't expose themselves to such things. for example I wouldn't make criminal accusations.

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I don't wanna cause any dispute here, but why would anyone sign a petition to remove the Cascio songs from the forthcoming albums if they enjoy those songs and if they believe they're genuine?

If someone asked me to sign a petition against songs that I believe are genuine, controversy or not, why would I even bother to sign it if I hear my idol? Let's say that people argue about "Hollywood Tonight" or "Behind the Mask" claiming it is not MJ. Hell no, I wouldn't sign any petition because I know it IS MJ singing them. On the contrary, I'd want more releases, not less. I just don't get it.
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in business the logic is cost benefit analysis or the concept of value. you look to pros and cons. do I want to hear Michael? yeah. do I enjoy the songs? well at least monster. do I feel does it worth it to release it? nope. even though they might be real, I personally think due to all the controversy and the division they create among the fans it's not worth it. so just on that basis I can sign a petition. it wouldn't be based on real versus fake side of it, it will be based on less controversy more harmony.

StellaJackson said:
Thank you Bumper. That's the entire point I was trying to make. Believing the songs are real but not wan'ing, sorry wanting, them on another album makes no sense. If people believe they are real then they would be able to prove it and there wouldn't be any controversy.
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it's called empathy. I'm willing to let go of something to find a middle ground so that we can all live happily ever after. I guess it shouldn't surprise me that it doesn't make sense to you as you can't seem to understand or respect an opposite opinion or value those people.

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Well, I completely agree with Ivy and people who advocated for a common ground. Theoretically it is possible and we already tried to create such a campaign, but it didn't work. As I said, in reality how many believers would really sign NOT TO HEAR their idol?

Would anyone of you sign against:

"Do you know where your children are"
"Blue gangsta"
"Slave to the rhythm"
...?
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fyi - the common ground people didn't say no more mj releases - so none of your examples would be a part of it. I said I would sign a "no cascio song" petition if it was more general (such as simply due to the controversy) and not specific (100% malachi) and didn't have criminal allegations part (fake /fraud) to it.
 
Ivy - for someone who is "not invested" in this topic, you seem to spend an awful lot of time in here dissecting what people say. You're right - I don't understand an opposite opinion on this topic and there is a good reason for that but it isn't really your business so I'm not bringing it up here. Listen to Burn 2Nite, then come back and tell us you still believe it is Michael.
 
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