Michael - The Great Album Debate

Yeah, I Am The Loser leaked like last year or this year and it's still on Youtube. They don't care about real vocals.
 
Or upload a sample of the song Burn 2 Nite and see what they do with it. ;)
 
Those things aren't allowed to be posted, but I know some links of them lol :D
 
Oh but you just posted Breaking News...

I guess it's true that Sony could just not care about I Am The Loser and APWNN snippets and Jab Me is just completely anal and paranoid about erasing their unpolished Jason Malachi songs(of course they'd need more MJ copy-and-pastes for the next record).
 
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Never said the Cascio songs were on Immortal album but on the tour they used some but trust me it will sell a lot more "Michael" became the Global #1 album in less than a week even with the controversy.

Because some people thought they were buying a Michael Jackson album. Not some cheesy attempt at trying to be him.
 
Because some people thought they were buying a Michael Jackson album. Not some cheesy attempt at trying to be him.

And I guess some people decided to trust the liner notes and 'experts' over their own ears...Never mind knowing there's something seriously wrong with those vocals...

I'd rather trust my own opinion and ears than a supposed 'fact' which hasn't been proven yet...No matter what anyone tells me, it won't change what I hear..So I will continue to go on saying it is NOT Michael Jackson..
 
Proudly bought it the first week, I was unsure about the Cascio songs but felt like the booklet, HT, BOJ, BTM, ILTWYLM and HMH made the album completely worth it no matter what. And to support Michael, the KING!
 
And I guess some people decided to trust the liner notes and 'experts' over their own ears...Never mind knowing there's something seriously wrong with those vocals...

I'd rather trust my own opinion and ears than a supposed 'fact' which hasn't been proved yet...
"Ahem, yes, it's him. I still have my job right? Am I getting paid this Friday?"
 
OK, there's the VERY beginning and VERY boring 30 second bit of Breaking News, but only 3 or so seconds of that. DOESN'T COUNT.

There's only a line of 50 Cent's rap and two ad-libs from earlier songs. DOESN'T COUNT.

Sorry to say, but the Cascio tracks play NO ROLE WHATSOEVER in this show. 50 Cent plays a role in tribute and the fine people who lent their voices to the beginning of Breaking News are in there as well, just a LOT less prominently. Ergo, no trace of Cascio vocals, leaving the fanbase ecstatic. So huzzah!


Oh, and: WOOOO!!!!! PRIVACY'S IN!!!!! :D A much better song than Breaking News and Monster!

@ADKIc3mAnX: You haven't answered my question yet. Did you know that they used words from earlier MJ songs to insert into phrases to Michael it up? Case and point: "Why" and "Me" in the phrase "Why can't you be stalkin' me?" and "Why you haun'in' me?" in Monster are from "Why can't you feelin' me?" from Invincible?
Okay I know some words are from previous tracks.
 
Okay I know some words are from previous tracks.

So you don't think AT ALL that these pasted words would confuse listeners into thinking it's Michael, especially considering a pasted words makes 90% of the ad-libs at the end of Monster?
 
Despite the fact that they do nothing to remove songs such as Slave To The Rhythm, Blue Gangsta, DYKWYCA etc. They only go after Cascio songs. It's called damage control.
Then you really don't know anything cause Sony, Epic, ETC have tried to take down those before and have even threatened websites that have uploaded them and they are going after the Cascio songs mostly cause they are newer MJ songs and when MJ released a song he wanted it to be new never before heard.
 
Despite the fact that they do nothing to remove songs such as Slave To The Rhythm, Blue Gangsta, DYKWYCA etc. They only go after Cascio songs. It's called damage control.
Also Blue Gangsta was changed musically still the same vocals just the music is different due to the leak
 
Oh but you just posted Breaking News...

I guess it's true that Sony could just not care about I Am The Loser and APWNN snippets and Jab Me is just completely anal and paranoid about erasing their unpolished Jason Malachi songs(of course they'd need more MJ copy-and-pastes for the next record).
YOu mean MJ right ?
 
YOu mean MJ right ?

It's REALLY best not to correct people on that term. There is no right answer at this present time. Many of us believe it's Malachi, the proof is in the pudding for us.

You're just going to end up annoying people with that kind of response.
 
Didn't MJ once say "the truth is a lie told many times" or something to that effect. This directly applies to the genesis of these songs...

There are SO MANY questions left unanswered...
 
dam2040;3512785 said:
Not only my opinion but a HELL of a lot of people.
And a hell of a lot of people think it is so it's opinions but the fact is that it is MJ.

Before you say OMG it's not MJ it's Malachi that is not a fact that is an opinion this makes it a fact

Hold My Hand (Duet with Akon)
Written by Aliaune Thiam, Giorgio Tuinfort, Claude Kelly / Published by Byefall Productions, Inc./Sony ATV Harmony (ASCAP), Piano Music/Sony ATV Tunes (BMI), Talpa Music Publishing (BUMA), Studio Beast Music/Warner Tamerlane Music Corp (BMI) / Produced by Akon for Upfront/Konvict, Giorgio Tuinfort for Piano Music / Co-Produced by Michael Jackson for MJJ Productions, Inc. / Akon appears courtesy of SRC/Universal Records, a Division of UMG Recordings, Inc. / Recorded by Mark 'Exit' Goodchild for Milk Money Consulting at Palms Studio's Las Vegas, US, Solitaire Studio's Atlanta, US, Metropolis Studio's London, UK, Wisseloord Studio's Hilversum, Netherlands and FC Walvisch Studio's Amsterdam, Netherlands / Recording Assistants: Mack Woodward, Justin Pintar, Matt Paul, Miguel Scott, Kory Aaron, Eelco Bakker and Ryan Wiese / Orchestra Recorded by Wessel Oltheten / Orchestra Recording Assistant: Dennis Krijnen / Mixed by Serban Ghenea / String Arrangement: Franck van der Heijden / All Instruments and Programming: Akon and Giorgio Tuinfort

Hollywood Tonight
Written by Michael Jackson, Brad Buxer / Spoken Bridge Written by Teddy Riley / Published by Mijac Music, Adida Music Inc. / Produced by Teddy Riley, Michael Jackson / Co-Produced by Theron “Neff-U” Feemster / Mixed by Jean-Marie Horvat, Teddy Riley, Scott Elgin / Programming and Finisher: Teddy Riley / Vocals Recorded by Michael Durham Prince and Mischke / Additional Background Vocals: Mischke / Spoken Bridge by Taryll Jackson / Whistling: Danny Ray McDonald, Jr., Michael Durham Prince / Engineered by Scott Elgin, James Murray, Michael Durham Prince, Jon Nettlesbey / Assistant Engineer: Quentinn Gilkey / Keyboard: Theron “Neff-U” Feemster, Edward Brown / Guitar: Erick Donell Walls, Eric Jackson / Horns: The Regiment

Keep Your Head Up
Written by Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte / Published by
Mijac Music, Jab Me Music / Produced by C “Tricky” Stewart for Red Zone Entertainment, Inc., Angelikson, Michael Jackson for MJJ Productions, Inc. / Mixed by Jaycen Joshua for the Penua Project / Mix Assisted by Jesus Garnica / Background Vocals: Michael Jackson, James Porte / Additional Backing Vocals: Duawne Starling / Engineered by Brian “B-Luv” Thomas, Andrew Wuepper / Engineering Assisted by Jason Sherwood, Steven Dennis, Travis Harrington Stuart Brawley, Joe Corcoran, Drew Harris / Musicians: Jamie Wollam, Rudy Bird, Sean Hurley, Stuart Brawley, Joe Corcoran, Eddie Cascio, James Porte, Lamont “Monty” Neuble, Cameron Stone, Nicole Garcia / Drum Programming: Joe Corcoran and James Porte

(I Like) The Way You Love Me
Written by Michael Jackson / Published by Mijac Music / Produced by Theron “Neff-U” Feemster, Michael Jackson / Mixed by Serban Ghenea / Engineer for Mix: John Hanes / Assisted by Tim Roberts / Vocals Recorded by Michael Durham Prince / Engineered by James Murray / Piano: William C. Champlin / Guitar: Erick Donell Walls / Bass: Thomas Drayton / Percussion: Paulinho da Costa / Keyboards and Drum Programming: Theron “Neff-U” Feemster

Monster (Featuring 50 Cent)
Written by Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte / Rap Lyrics Written by Curtis Jackson / Published by Mijac Music, Jab Me Music, Curtis Jackson 50 Cent Music Publishing (admin by Universal Music Publishing) (ASCAP) / Produced by Teddy Riley, Angelikson, Michael Jackson / Mixed by Jean-Marie Horvat, Teddy Riley / Programming and Finisher: Teddy Riley / Background Vocals: Michael Jackson, James Porte / Kids’ Scream: Nigel and Naiden Maynard / Recording Engineer: Scott Elgin, Khaliq Glover AKA Khaliq-O-Vision, Quenton Gilkey (Assistant Engineer), Luis Navarro, Zachariah Redding (Assistants Engineer on the Rap) (Recorded at Boom Boom Room), Stuart Brawley, Glen Marchese, Joe Corcoran, Drew Harris / Rap Performed by 50 Cent courtesy of Shady/Aftermath/Interscope Records / Musicians: Rudy Bird, Joe Corcoran, Eddie Cascio, Stuart Brawley, Cameron Stone, Sharon Jackson, Orianthi courtesy of Geffen Records

Best Of Joy
Written by Michael Jackson / Published by Mijac Music / Produced by Theron “Neff-U” Feemster, Michael Jackson / Co-Produced by Brad Buxer / Mixed by Serban Ghenea / Engineer for Mix John Hanes / Assisted by Tim Roberts / Vocals Recorded by Michael Durham Prince and Mischke / Additional Background Vocals: Mischke / Engineered by James Murray / Guitar: Erick Donell Walls / All Other Instruments: Theron “Neff-U” Feemster

Breaking News
Written by Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte / Published by Mijac Music, Jab Me Music / Produced by Teddy Riley, Angelikson, Michael Jackson / Mixed by Jean-Marie Horvat, Teddy Riley / Programming and Finisher: Teddy Riley / Recording Engineer: Scott Elgin, Khaliq Glover AKA Khaliq-O-Vision, Stuart Brawley, Glen Marchese, Joe Corcoran, Drew Harris / Assistant Engineer: Quenton Gilkey / String Session Recording Engineer: Reggie Dozer / String Session Assistant Engineer: Brandon Datoli / Voiceover Engineers: Myron Chandler And Dave Hampton / String Session: The Benjamin Wright Orchestra / Arranged and Conducted By Benjamin Wright / Musicians: James Porte, Stuart Brawley, Eddie Cascio, Joe Corcoran / Voice Talents: Stuart Brawley, Sandy Orkin, Stacey Michaels, Michael Lefevre, Lisa Orkin / Voiceover Producer: Michael Lefevre

(I Can’t Make It) Another Day
(Featuring Lenny Kravitz)
Written by Lenny Kravitz / Published by Lenny Kravitz/Miss Bessie Music / Produced by Lenny Kravitz / Co-Pproduced by Michael Jackson / Mixed by Lenny Kravitz / Lead and Background Vocals: Michael Jackson / Background Vocals: Lenny Kravitz / Michael Jackson’s Vocals Recorded at Marvin’s Room by Henry Hirsch / Electric Guitar: Lenny Kravitz / Bass: Lenny Kravitz / Mini Moog: Lenny Kravitz / String and Horn samples: Lenny Kravitz / Timpani: Lenny Kravitz / Gong: Lenny Kravitz / 12-String Electric Guitar: Craig Ross / Drums: Dave Grohl / Drum Programming and Noise: Dave Barron and Lenny Kravitz / Synthesizer Programming: Dave Baron / Studio Technician and Additional Programming: Alex Alvarez

Behind The Mask
Written by Michael Jackson, Chris Mosdell, Ryuichi Sakamoto / Published by Mijac Music (BMI) All rights administered by Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corp. (BMI) & by Alfa Music, Inc. (JASRAC) All Rights Administered by Sony/ATV Tunes LLC (ASCAP) / Produced by Michael Jackson, John McClain & Jon Nettlesbey / 'Behind The Mask' contains a sample of the recording "Behind The Mask" as performed by Yellow Magic Orchestra. (P) 1979 Alfa Music, Inc. Licensed by Alfa Music, Inc. All Rights Reserved. / Mixed by Jon Nettlesbey, Khaliq Glover / Lead & Background Vocals: Michael Jackson / Additional Background Vocals: Shanice Wilson, Alphonso Jones / Background Vocals Arranged by Leon F. Sylvers III / Engineered by Jon Nettlesbey, Allen Sides, Khaliq Glover / Saxophone and Saxophonic Percussion: Mike Phillips courtesy of Hidden Beach Recordings / Keyboards & Drum Programming: Big Jim Wright / Additional Keyboards: Greg Phillinganes / Bass: Alex Al / Percussion: Paulino Da Costa / Additional Keyboards, Drum Programming, Sequencing & Digital Editing: Jon Nettlesbey

Much Too Soon
Written by Michael Jackson / Published by Mijac Music / Produced by Michael Jackson, John McClain / Mixed by Allen Sides / Guitar: Tommy Emmanuel / Khora: Dean Parks / Harmonica: Tommy Morgan / Accordion: Suzie Katayama / Arranger & Conductor: David Campbell / Contractor: Suzie Katayama / Concertmaster: Charlie Bisharat
 
Didn't MJ once say "the truth is a lie told many times" or something to that effect. This directly applies to the genesis of these songs...

There are SO MANY questions left unanswered...

The more you repeat a lie the more you start to believe it.
 
The more you repeat a lie the more you start to believe it.

Thanks for that Bumper! Now didn't a famous person ask us to question unbelievable things put in print? Some
of those album credits fall into that.

EDIT: Actually, the amount of doubters:believers is VASTLY outweighted. There are MUCH more doubters now.
 
ADKIc3mAnX;3512887 said:
And a hell of a lot of people think it is so it's opinions but the fact is that it is MJ.

Before you say OMG it's not MJ it's Malachi that is not a fact that is an opinion this makes it a fact

Hold My Hand (Duet with Akon)
Written by Aliaune Thiam, Giorgio Tuinfort, Claude Kelly / Published by Byefall Productions, Inc./Sony ATV Harmony (ASCAP), Piano Music/Sony ATV Tunes (BMI), Talpa Music Publishing (BUMA), Studio Beast Music/Warner Tamerlane Music Corp (BMI) / Produced by Akon for Upfront/Konvict, Giorgio Tuinfort for Piano Music / Co-Produced by Michael Jackson for MJJ Productions, Inc. / Akon appears courtesy of SRC/Universal Records, a Division of UMG Recordings, Inc. / Recorded by Mark 'Exit' Goodchild for Milk Money Consulting at Palms Studio's Las Vegas, US, Solitaire Studio's Atlanta, US, Metropolis Studio's London, UK, Wisseloord Studio's Hilversum, Netherlands and FC Walvisch Studio's Amsterdam, Netherlands / Recording Assistants: Mack Woodward, Justin Pintar, Matt Paul, Miguel Scott, Kory Aaron, Eelco Bakker and Ryan Wiese / Orchestra Recorded by Wessel Oltheten / Orchestra Recording Assistant: Dennis Krijnen / Mixed by Serban Ghenea / String Arrangement: Franck van der Heijden / All Instruments and Programming: Akon and Giorgio Tuinfort

Hollywood Tonight
Written by Michael Jackson, Brad Buxer / Spoken Bridge Written by Teddy Riley / Published by Mijac Music, Adida Music Inc. / Produced by Teddy Riley, Michael Jackson / Co-Produced by Theron “Neff-U” Feemster / Mixed by Jean-Marie Horvat, Teddy Riley, Scott Elgin / Programming and Finisher: Teddy Riley / Vocals Recorded by Michael Durham Prince and Mischke / Additional Background Vocals: Mischke / Spoken Bridge by Taryll Jackson / Whistling: Danny Ray McDonald, Jr., Michael Durham Prince / Engineered by Scott Elgin, James Murray, Michael Durham Prince, Jon Nettlesbey / Assistant Engineer: Quentinn Gilkey / Keyboard: Theron “Neff-U” Feemster, Edward Brown / Guitar: Erick Donell Walls, Eric Jackson / Horns: The Regiment

Keep Your Head Up
Written by Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte / Published by
Mijac Music, Jab Me Music / Produced by C “Tricky” Stewart for Red Zone Entertainment, Inc., Angelikson, Michael Jackson for MJJ Productions, Inc. / Mixed by Jaycen Joshua for the Penua Project / Mix Assisted by Jesus Garnica / Background Vocals: Michael Jackson, James Porte / Additional Backing Vocals: Duawne Starling / Engineered by Brian “B-Luv” Thomas, Andrew Wuepper / Engineering Assisted by Jason Sherwood, Steven Dennis, Travis Harrington Stuart Brawley, Joe Corcoran, Drew Harris / Musicians: Jamie Wollam, Rudy Bird, Sean Hurley, Stuart Brawley, Joe Corcoran, Eddie Cascio, James Porte, Lamont “Monty” Neuble, Cameron Stone, Nicole Garcia / Drum Programming: Joe Corcoran and James Porte

(I Like) The Way You Love Me
Written by Michael Jackson / Published by Mijac Music / Produced by Theron “Neff-U” Feemster, Michael Jackson / Mixed by Serban Ghenea / Engineer for Mix: John Hanes / Assisted by Tim Roberts / Vocals Recorded by Michael Durham Prince / Engineered by James Murray / Piano: William C. Champlin / Guitar: Erick Donell Walls / Bass: Thomas Drayton / Percussion: Paulinho da Costa / Keyboards and Drum Programming: Theron “Neff-U” Feemster

Monster (Featuring 50 Cent)
Written by Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte / Rap Lyrics Written by Curtis Jackson / Published by Mijac Music, Jab Me Music, Curtis Jackson 50 Cent Music Publishing (admin by Universal Music Publishing) (ASCAP) / Produced by Teddy Riley, Angelikson, Michael Jackson / Mixed by Jean-Marie Horvat, Teddy Riley / Programming and Finisher: Teddy Riley / Background Vocals: Michael Jackson, James Porte / Kids’ Scream: Nigel and Naiden Maynard / Recording Engineer: Scott Elgin, Khaliq Glover AKA Khaliq-O-Vision, Quenton Gilkey (Assistant Engineer), Luis Navarro, Zachariah Redding (Assistants Engineer on the Rap) (Recorded at Boom Boom Room), Stuart Brawley, Glen Marchese, Joe Corcoran, Drew Harris / Rap Performed by 50 Cent courtesy of Shady/Aftermath/Interscope Records / Musicians: Rudy Bird, Joe Corcoran, Eddie Cascio, Stuart Brawley, Cameron Stone, Sharon Jackson, Orianthi courtesy of Geffen Records

Best Of Joy
Written by Michael Jackson / Published by Mijac Music / Produced by Theron “Neff-U” Feemster, Michael Jackson / Co-Produced by Brad Buxer / Mixed by Serban Ghenea / Engineer for Mix John Hanes / Assisted by Tim Roberts / Vocals Recorded by Michael Durham Prince and Mischke / Additional Background Vocals: Mischke / Engineered by James Murray / Guitar: Erick Donell Walls / All Other Instruments: Theron “Neff-U” Feemster

Breaking News
Written by Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte / Published by Mijac Music, Jab Me Music / Produced by Teddy Riley, Angelikson, Michael Jackson / Mixed by Jean-Marie Horvat, Teddy Riley / Programming and Finisher: Teddy Riley / Recording Engineer: Scott Elgin, Khaliq Glover AKA Khaliq-O-Vision, Stuart Brawley, Glen Marchese, Joe Corcoran, Drew Harris / Assistant Engineer: Quenton Gilkey / String Session Recording Engineer: Reggie Dozer / String Session Assistant Engineer: Brandon Datoli / Voiceover Engineers: Myron Chandler And Dave Hampton / String Session: The Benjamin Wright Orchestra / Arranged and Conducted By Benjamin Wright / Musicians: James Porte, Stuart Brawley, Eddie Cascio, Joe Corcoran / Voice Talents: Stuart Brawley, Sandy Orkin, Stacey Michaels, Michael Lefevre, Lisa Orkin / Voiceover Producer: Michael Lefevre

(I Can’t Make It) Another Day
(Featuring Lenny Kravitz)
Written by Lenny Kravitz / Published by Lenny Kravitz/Miss Bessie Music / Produced by Lenny Kravitz / Co-Pproduced by Michael Jackson / Mixed by Lenny Kravitz / Lead and Background Vocals: Michael Jackson / Background Vocals: Lenny Kravitz / Michael Jackson’s Vocals Recorded at Marvin’s Room by Henry Hirsch / Electric Guitar: Lenny Kravitz / Bass: Lenny Kravitz / Mini Moog: Lenny Kravitz / String and Horn samples: Lenny Kravitz / Timpani: Lenny Kravitz / Gong: Lenny Kravitz / 12-String Electric Guitar: Craig Ross / Drums: Dave Grohl / Drum Programming and Noise: Dave Barron and Lenny Kravitz / Synthesizer Programming: Dave Baron / Studio Technician and Additional Programming: Alex Alvarez

Behind The Mask
Written by Michael Jackson, Chris Mosdell, Ryuichi Sakamoto / Published by Mijac Music (BMI) All rights administered by Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corp. (BMI) & by Alfa Music, Inc. (JASRAC) All Rights Administered by Sony/ATV Tunes LLC (ASCAP) / Produced by Michael Jackson, John McClain & Jon Nettlesbey / 'Behind The Mask' contains a sample of the recording "Behind The Mask" as performed by Yellow Magic Orchestra. (P) 1979 Alfa Music, Inc. Licensed by Alfa Music, Inc. All Rights Reserved. / Mixed by Jon Nettlesbey, Khaliq Glover / Lead & Background Vocals: Michael Jackson / Additional Background Vocals: Shanice Wilson, Alphonso Jones / Background Vocals Arranged by Leon F. Sylvers III / Engineered by Jon Nettlesbey, Allen Sides, Khaliq Glover / Saxophone and Saxophonic Percussion: Mike Phillips courtesy of Hidden Beach Recordings / Keyboards & Drum Programming: Big Jim Wright / Additional Keyboards: Greg Phillinganes / Bass: Alex Al / Percussion: Paulino Da Costa / Additional Keyboards, Drum Programming, Sequencing & Digital Editing: Jon Nettlesbey

Much Too Soon
Written by Michael Jackson / Published by Mijac Music / Produced by Michael Jackson, John McClain / Mixed by Allen Sides / Guitar: Tommy Emmanuel / Khora: Dean Parks / Harmonica: Tommy Morgan / Accordion: Suzie Katayama / Arranger & Conductor: David Campbell / Contractor: Suzie Katayama / Concertmaster: Charlie Bisharat

Again, it's not because something is written that it makes it a fact.

According to you I joined this website in 2011 as written under my avatar, whereas I joined it in 2003.

It is a fact that MJ is cedited, but it is not a fact that he sang the songs.
 
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