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Michael & the term: "Drug Addict"

ForeverKOP

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Hey everyone,

I think it's safe to say, that for the past 2 years, we've all been doing our own research in order to understand what happened to Michael. I also think it's safe to say that there are some things that some of us are still struggling to make sense of. For me, it is the one term that is constantly, incessantly, & relentlessly being used with his name. That term is "drug addict". I hear it & see it in countless headlines, news articles, magazines, TV shows, radio shows, interviews, court documents, etc. I assume it'll only appear more frequently as the trial approaches & eventually kicks off - So, I feel like it would be better to understand now, rather than later. I wrote something in another thread (that ironically had the words "drug addiction" in the title) that I think basically sums up my frustration. This:

ForeverKOP said:
Again with the "drug addiction" thing... I. DON'T. GET. IT. Someone please help me understand! On one side, a few people (mainly MJ fans) are saying (and have been saying for a long time now) that Michael Jackson was NOT a drug addict - On the other side, (which is basically the overwhelming majority), people are saying that he WAS a drug addict. Which one is it?? :(
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?^ By "overwhelming majority", I meant the general public & media.

I realize that this may be a tiresome topic for some, but having all of the evidence pertaining to the "drug addiction" issue compiled into ONE thread would be EXTREMELY helpful in understanding (at least for me). I'd really appreciate it if everyone could stay on topic & not argue. PLEASE provide all of the evidence you can to prove your point, and PLEASE let this thread stay open. Also, A BIG THANKS to everyone who helps me make sense of something that has been irritating me for a while now.

Thanks,
ForeverKOP
 
Read the a.r. read the list of drugs found in him and his house.how many had been taken and when they were prescribed.that says everything.So much info has been posted from the get go.interviews from ppl who were around.medical records etc.im not sure why this has to be gone through again. This board is full of the facts if ppl want to look.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Read the a.r. read the list of drugs found in him and his house.how many had been taken and when they were prescribed.that says everything.So much info has been posted from the get go.interviews from ppl who were around.medical records etc.im not sure why this has to be gone through again. This board is full of the facts if ppl want to look.
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That's way too broad. Can you possibly just get the information you retained from all those sources & bring it to this thread? This board has millions of posts to sort through & various moments in time where new facts were discovered - I'd just like the main key points (a list, basically) not all the discussion & back-and-forth that would be extremely time-consuming to go through. Also, you didn't make clear what your stance is on the subject - you believe he was or wasn't?
 
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That's way too broad. Can you possibly just get the information you retained from all those sources & bring it to this thread? This board has millions of posts to sort through & various moments in time where new facts were discovered - I'd just like the main key points (a list, basically) not all the discussion & back-and-forth that would be extremely time-consuming to go through. Also, you didn't make clear what your stance is on the subject - you believe he was or wasn't?
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im on my phone so dont have the details to hand as they are on my desktop.sorry but im not sure how long u have been a member and tbh im suspicious of your post interms of asking what my opinion is.apologies if im wrong.i would think my opinion is the same as 99% of ppl on here because they read the A.R they read the list of medications found in the house and when they were prescribed and how many had been taken. Im sure a google search would bring those facts up for you and what it means interms of your question.or if someone else want to post them.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Read the a.r. read the list of drugs found in him and his house.how many had been taken and when they were prescribed.that says everything.So much info has been posted from the get go.interviews from ppl who were around.medical records etc.im not sure why this has to be gone through again. This board is full of the facts if ppl want to look.
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Good i was going to say the same thing, unless the poster wants us to find each instance of evidence and post it here in this thread. Once you look at the autopsy thread before it was sent to the archives, read about the conditions of his organs, read what was in his stomach, don't confuse medication reactions from doctors' visits for legit procedures, don't go with the family intervention story until you look at the intervention thread which shows what the family was doing at the time they said they were having an intervention, then there will be little room for confusion.

Remember it takes reading and understanding to remove the confusion and this takes a lot of time and patience.

Also, if we put all the information in this thread and people have discussions as well wouldn't this defeat the whole purpose. You will still have to wade through a heap of discussions to get to the facts.

Maybe someone could make a sticky filled with facts and no discussions to show that he was not a drug addict at death.
 
Very true.add in the interviews from ppl who were actually around.even bleepers like bain said the interventions never happened look on utube.his b.guards talking about mj being harrassed by his family and wanting then kept away cause he was sick of them asking him to get involved in biz deals. Just like with sneddon claiming dozens of invisible abuse victims now we have claims of invisible drugs with out a single bit of evidence to back it .and the evidence we have saying the total opposite
 
I haven´t followed Michael close during the years, it was after his death I read about him taking drugs and my first thought was of course not.I haven´t changed my mind after almost 2 years here,even if I have to admit he has been addicted earlier in life.

There are stories about him behaving strange, but if you are 50 and have a sleepless night you would behave strange too. Especially if you are under pressure.It´s nothing strange to forget lyrics from your own songs, if I had 2 sleepless night I might not be able to say my name at once.
 
^^Yep. People like to say Michael look or act strange. The think the poster has to understand is the truth lies in reading and understanding documents, and many do not want to do that.

KOP when you find the information, what are you going to do with it. Is this for your own peace of mind or are you trying to educate the masses out there.
 
Michael died because of the drug Propofol, and yes it’s a drug but it’s proven that doesn’t generate addiction and it’s extremely dangerous to use it on your own or outside an hospital because it could happen what happened to Michael.

They also found benzos in his system, BUT those benzos wouldn’t be dangerous without propofol. And there was no sign that he use those benzos more than what the prescriptions demanded. Even there are proves that he wasn’t taking what the prescriptions demanded, he had less.

More important: There was no physical evidence that proves MJ was addicted to anything, ACCORDING TO AUTOPSY.

What the press did was very irresponsible or maybe they did it on purpose. Fans have to understand that all the paper news do the same: “cut and paste” information. They probably heard the words propofol and benzos together and then screamed “drug addiction!!!” but there is no evidence of addiction in his body. The family could say anything about interventions but for me anything they say it’s irrelevant. The AUTOPSY IS relevant for me.

You can read the autopsy thread if you don’t believe us. I read it twice but I don’t think I have the courage to read it again.
 
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There were no benzo pills in his stomach. The benzos were fluid injected by murray the night it happened.As u say the pill presribed for sleeo issues had not been abused in anyway infact most had not even been used to the recomended level
 
Elusive, that is a good point. none of the news media including Diamond indicated that the pills remaining in the bottles found in his house showed he was not using them consistently. In fact, among 30 pills prescribed since April there would be about 4 pills used in some cases, but you can look at the thread to get the specific numbers of unused pills. Diamond made that mistake in a letter to a fan saying that they found a lot of medicine in his home and we should not look at the autopsy report. That is why it is important for you to read the information yourself, and you need to look at the discussions too because people with more medical knowledge have explained what the technical information in the autopsy means. I know it is a long thread, but read 10 pages a day and you should be OK.
 
Of course the media wont report that.it goes against their agenda of brainwashing the public
 
For whatever reason ForeverKOP requested the information, some of the responses to their request are a bit on the impatient to slightly rude side (at the very least, dismissive, i.e. "Google it"). I realize this may be a touchy subject for some, but in the interest of being helpful, not condescending to people, sharing knowledge with RESPECT and patience is a must.

Also, in the interest of keeping misinformation to a minimum, Diane DIMOND's last name isn't spelled like the stone.
 
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I haven't read any responses yet, but I just had to drop by & add this little bit. 10 minutes ago, I turned the TV on to CNN to hear some updates about the riots going on in London - nothing being reported. So I switched to HLN...and Waalah! Guess what I found the moment I landed on the channel? Dr. Drew Pinsky on his show with a whole panel of doctors & lawyers talking about how doctors failed to help Anna Nicole Smith & Michael Jackson with their drug addictions....whaaat thee....it seems like this term is going to appear more & more often as the trial approaches...they're gonna mention it every chance they get. And it seems that Dr. Drew is really interested in this case, so he'll probably be covering it a lot. Here's what he says at the end:

And a few notes before we go. I`ve been a physician since 1984. And, of course, I`ve been an addictionologist for about 20 years. Studied human behavior, worked in a psychiatric hospital for over 20 years. I`ve treated some celebrity, not so celebrity. I`ve generally spent most of my life treating just regular folk. Now, the Michael Jackson case brings everything together for me. And I hope for you too, because it`s interesting, it`s newsworthy, and it focuses on really what is a problem of our time.

There are some very serious issues we`re going to be addressing as we bring the Conrad Murray trial to you. We`re going to talk about the doctor-patient relationship. Who has the power in that relationship, how it shared, who should, why does fame and money get in the way? And our attitudes towards drugs, prescriptions, and otherwise, our obsession with celebrities, and acknowledgement that there is hope for those who have say addiction and pain.

I believe we`ll be learning a lot as the Conrad Murray trial moves forward. I want to thank you all for watching me. See you next time.

[FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/08/ddhln.01.html]
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He's gotta know something...ehh?
 
Michael had problems with drugs in 1993. He didn't hide it, on the contrary he even made a statement on TV about it. And at that time he got help. So now some people like to point out that "once an addict, always an addict" or that even though a person doesn't use now he's still a recovering drug addict so it is an accurate term for Michael. I don't agree with it, because I think you should be really careful with these terms and shouldn't label him an addict just because he had problems with drugs many years ago.

Yes, Michael died from a drug overdose. BUT those were the drugs given to him by a doctor, and it wasn't painkillers or any other "usual" drugs addicts use. Michael's situation is different, but by calling him an addict people simplify things. And public for the most part is lazy, they don't want to read up the details. They just hear that a celebrity died from a drug overdose and they instantly think an addict.

Also, let's see who helped them to think that way. The first person was Brian Oxman, the Jacksons' lawyer who said at the hospital that he always knew this would happen because Michael had problems with drugs. And then there was Michael's family - his sisters Janet and Rebbie and his mother Katherine who talked about the interventions and his denial. And general public thinks, "Oh that's his family, of course they know what was going on with him, if they say he was a drug addict in denial, then it must be true".
 
i'm sick of this thing:"drug addict"

many people only belive in what is interesting for them. when i want to explain some of them, i said "he used prescription drugs in 1993." they start to say "see, he uses drugs" these two things are totaly different. but they want to believe in somethings in the way of what they want to.

he didn't use drugs "always", he used them only for a while. and also i don't know even only one person who wouldn't use drugs or painkillers in a such worst slander!! Michael was stronger than many of us i think.

he didn't go to the Heaven because of "drug addiction", his doctor killed him by giving drugs to him and he went to the Heaven.

i hope one day all of these sick people will have a brain enough to understand the stiuation.

ps: sorry for my bad English.
 
JMie summed it up perfectly I think. Michael died of "acute propofol intoxication" which the media translated in drug overdose because it's more juicy, it sells better, and well, we all know the basic TV audience doesnt want to be bothered with big words. And also, let's face it, it's Michael Jackson, everyone knows he's been a weirdo all his life, with his carnival rides, my dear, and he chose water fights with kids over puking his beer outside clubs and having sex tapes on YT. That's not NORMAL. So of course, if the word drug is involved somehow in his death, he had to be a drug addict.
As far as I am concerned, the coroner is as unbiased as can be, and Michael was a healthy man until june 25.
 
The auptosy report said he had healthy organs & liver. That isn't something a drug addict would have. Secondly he had no pills in his body! The pills that were found in his home that were prescribe to him were'nt being used by him as prescribe. Many were barely touched and neither were over used. Is that consistent with a drug addict? NO! Michael only died from what Murray gave to him on June 25th only.

See if u read the right info then u would get your answers, instead of watching a crap hollywood Doc like Dr. Drew who had 3 of his own patients commit suicide in a hospital, that he couldn't even help! He also believe's MJ to be guitly! Dr. Drew knows crap and is using MJ to get ratiings only.
 
lucilla said:
I would ask this doctor if he had read the AUTOPSY.
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Exactly.talking head media whores who dont know the facts or do know then but ignore them as it doesnt fit with their view . As stated the facts are available to the public and media whores but they act like those facts dont excist because it goes against their agenda.just like 93 and 03. I presune the starter of this thread would not even need to ask about pinsky if they had read the things we have advised.
 
bluetopez said:
The auptosy report said he had healthy organs & liver. That isn't something a drug addict would have. Secondly he had no pills in his body! The pills that were found in his home that were prescribe to him were'nt being used by him as prescribe. Many were barely touched and neither were over used. Is that consistent with a drug addict? NO! Michael only died from what Murray gave to him on June 25th only.See if u read the right info then u would get your answers, instead of watching a crap hollywood Doc like Dr. Drew who had 3 of his own patients commit suicide in a hospital, that he couldn't even help! He also believe's MJ to be guitly! Dr. Drew knows crap and is using MJ to get ratiings only.
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thank you. Sorry but i have serious doubts about the motives as to why this thread was started.
 
on my desk top now so heres the list of thing found in the house. if a hater can try and declare from that list that mj was addicted to anything at death then in the words of geragos they are living in their own neverland. and its easy enough to google the A.R.seeing as the poster who was asking has been a mmeber since sept 09 im sure they have seen all the threads with the details about it


Prescribed by Metzger: - Clonazepam 1mg. (for anxiety). Issued in April. Out of 30 tablets, 8 remained.- Trazadone 50mg. (Antidepressant, also for sleep problems). Issued on 18th April. Of 60 tab, 38 remained. (2 at bedtime if need)


.Prescribed by Klein: - Tizandine 4mg. (Muscle relaxant). Issued on 7th J. Of 10 tablets, 8 remained. (1/2 at bedtime).- Zanaflex 4mg. (Muscle relaxant). 4Tablets prescribed on 6th Nov 2008. (from 1/s to 1 at bedtime).- Prednisone10mg. 10 tab (immunosuppressant med, used to treat inflammatory diseases (skin, articulations...) Issued on 25-April-09.


Dwight /Cherilyn Lee: - Amoxicillin 500mg. (Antibiotic). Date of prescription: 02-02-09.- Azithromycin 250mg. (Antibiotic) Issued on 09-03-09. Out of 6 tablets, 2 remained. (Directions: 2 tab 1st day, 1 for 4 days).

A bottle of 60 diazepam 10mg tablets were prescribed by Murray on 20th June, the dose was half to one tablet every 6 hours. 57 were still in the bottle.-A box of 30 temazepam 10mg capsules were prescribed by Murray on 22nd Dec 2008. 3 remained. Temazepam was not detected in the blood.

so what exactly was mj addicted to then as the media whore and haters suggest. invisible drugs just like sneddons invisible victims as he claimed. so what evidence do we have of addiction? no medical evidence just the words of randy jackson and his best buddies janet and rebbie who no doubt saw him the same as latoya ie once in the last 5 years and that was if they were lucky and good ole randy selling stories to friedman etc back in prox 06 that mj was on drugs cause he didnt want to see his family or get talked into anymore biz dealing or reunions ontop of randys payback for the comments mj made about him in the lawsuit.

if a hater would like to add some real evidence and facts feel free but u will be a long time looking unless you think oxman is credible lol. why let the truth get in the way of a good story or shall i say lynching.

u can also add in the fact theres are no charges of supplying to an addict as there is no evidence of addiction and also add in the DEA investigation of other drs such as klien and the fact they found no evidence of over prescribing etc which would lead to charges.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
thank you. Sorry but i have serious doubts about the motives as to why this thread was started.
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Seriously dude? I started this thread to ask my "Michael family" - as we all should be able to call each other here - to HELP ME gain some PEACE OF MIND...and to help me understand what I don't understand. NOTHING more than that. Why in the world does this have to be "seriously doubted"? Can I not come here to ask a simple question without being shoved away & told to go figure it out myself? Obviously, if I could figure it out all by myself, this thread wouldn't exist - but I can't, and that's why it exists. That being said, I'm really surprised at the lack of support and unpleasant attitude being displayed by some people here. I'm not here to start anything; I've been here for nearly 2 years & have loved this place despite the ups and downs. It'd be nice if I could get some answers to my questions in a respectful manner.
 
ForeverKOP said:
He's gotta know something...ehh?
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This is just my opinion, but I think that Dr. Drew likes to act like he knows about all the celebrities and their addictions, but he just gets his information frm the media. It's my understanding that he never met Michael. He most likely has no idea what was going on in Michael's life, so it's irresponsible of him to comment as if he's an authority on the subject.
 
diana79 said:
This is just my opinion, but I think that Dr. Drew likes to act like he knows about all the celebrities and their addictions, but he just gets his information frm the media. It's my understanding that he never met Michael. He most likely has no idea what was going on in Michael's life, so it's irresponsible of him to comment as if he's an authority on the subject.
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Thank you for this. He never met Michael and never treated Michael. You are right that he needs to stop acting like he is an authority about Michael Jackson.
 
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