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Michael & the term: "Drug Addict"

^ you are totally right bout that and by watching lisa one could so see she was lying
 
Lisa lies about a lot of stuff and she tend to say different things every time someone talks to her.

And it wasn't in 1998 he hurt his back it was in 1999 at the benefit concert in Munich. And he had several problems with that injure after that. And took pain killers for it, but he was very causious and didn't want anything that could make him addicted. And most of the time he went through the days with the pain. I've been around him one of those days, and admire him for not taking anything, just so he would be clear in his head around his guests.
 
U see thats why i havnt bothered with this thread much cause theres certain posters in this thread who are trolls and have pushed an agenda on this board from the get go when they joined/started posting.its not about pointing out facts and asking genuine questions to some its about giving them a platform to argue that mj was a druggie regardless of the facts.always the same poster.
 
Why someone would have an agenda to make MJ look like a drug addict? To defend Conrad Murray? We have no reason for. We are just speculating and trying to understand the whole puzzle about MJ's death. No one here knows about MJ's private life.The only fact we have is the autopsy report. Everything else is just speculation based on papers' articles and interviews. I assume you didn't know MJ privately and was not close friends of him. Unless you did, like everyone else you base your opinions on interviews and articles and for this reasons you are also speculating like everyone else. So, no reason to get angry when someone speculate about MJ's life based on interviews of his family, friends and ex-wife. Respect each one's opinion is always the best.

When the trial starts we'll have more information based on the evidence collected in the six months of investigation.
 
Lisa is so unsecured and confused, so her words don't mean nothing...so just pay attention to the facts we know for sure: Michael had problems with some burns in 1984, he did get addicted in 1993 because of the pain caused by the accustations and he did his best to stay clean over since...he had a sleeping problem and Murray should have helped him overcome that , not kill him!
 
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/cjp6hc
Anyone who continues to perpetuate that MJ was some type of addict, even if they believe it to be true, is no friend of his when all this talk completely distracts from the facts regarding everything Conrad Murray did to Michael which led to his death. Michael did not with hunched over with a needle in his arm, he did not die surrounded by bottles of booze, he did not die from liver failure or a massive infection--he died with almost all of his organs in perfect physical health, including the ones which would take the brunt of any substance abuse. If he had died in a car wreck things may be different--but he died from acute, from sudden drug poisoning which was done directly by Murray. Michael was not alone, hell, he almost certainly was not even conscious when all this happened. He was defenseless towards Murray's actions that morning. He was defenseless against Murray's complete disregard of his years of knowledge as a physician. He was defenseless against the multitude of greedy people hovering around his body waiting for the kill to take the prize. If anyone thinks they are HELPING Michael, aiding his legacy or making an attempt at justice in his death by insinuating he was a drug addict--THINK AGAIN. It really is not that hard to reason that if you call someone a drug addict or insinuate any notion of such, past or present, and they died from drugs then you will see no justice, regardless if they did it to themselves or not. Whatever Michael did in his life, right or wrong, he did NOT deserve to die in the manner in which he did nor does he deserve the blame for what Murray CHOSE to do to him, what Murray in some form or another PROMOTED to him, promoted to HELP him. No one ever gives Michael any credit for not only surviving the allegations and emotional and physical difficulties in his life but LIVING his life as well--just look at what he was doing when he died--he was trying his best to start anew and rebuild a life and career that was destroyed by OTHERS--he did not wallow in self-pity or even give up--he wore the wounds but bandaged up and started where he left off--no one gives him credit for that it seems. I do! Now the man deserves justice in his death, he deserves the public knowing the TRUTH about everything and he deserves the legacy in which he made for himself, the one as one of the greatest artist and humanitarians to ever live--it should not be marred by the cruel doings or stupidity of others!
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Okay, so I just have to get this off of my chest!!

Every now and then, if I'm home at the right time, I pull up TMZ & watch TMZ Live (I know, bad idea. But sometimes they have some interesting things to report on). And it just so happens to be that every time I watch it, they do a segment on Michael and/or Murray. Today, I watched it simply because I wanted to hear about what was going on with Steve Jobs' resignation from Apple and everything surrounding it. Of course, right after they finish talking about Jobs, they go into this huge discussion about all of the developments made today in the Murray case...and I'm just sitting there, fuming. This man, Harvey Levin, has CONTINUOUSLY called Michael a "hard core drug addict" for the past 2 years...and he just WON'T give it up. Every time he talks about Michael, he JUST HAS TO weave in the drug addiction story and how Michael got "drugs upon drugs" and "used different aliases to feed his addiction" and "went doctor shopping for the last 2 and half decades of his life", etc. He NEVER fails to mention these things, even if he's talking about Michael & something totally unrelated to drugs. Every. Single. Freaking. Time. Why the heck does he keep doing this?!?! His website also published the autopsy report when it was released, so you'd think he would have read it. But it doesn't look like he has! CRAZY! Can we do something to stop him from repeatedly saying this about Michael?? What's even worse is that he gets his whole team of people behind him and they all blindly agree with him & repeat what he says! :angry:
 
bluetopez said:
^Stop watchin TMZ and problem solved!
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The problem is that what he's saying about Michael is being broadcasted all over the place for everybody to hear. Me not watching it won't solve anything because that isn't the problem.
 
@foreverkop when his own family calling him an addict what do you expect?
 
And all these people who have been calling Michael a drug addict almost daily for the last two years is why I personally have serious worries about the jury being fair. How can this kind of talk have no effect on prospective jurors when they most likely hear things like that about him every day before they are even called to report for jury selection? This is like 2005 all over again to me.
 
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The Jackson's have done every thing in their power to give Murray a defense against Manslaughter and make Michael out to be a drug addict. If Murray walks because of their BS they will blame it on corruption in the system and Sony, AEG and Branca.
 
I always was asking myself *wtf* when family members were talking about MJ's drug addiction. I can never understand this way of manner. What are you trying to reveal? When I heard it from people like Janet and mom, I was upset a lot....
 
The media is the media and a court is a court. The same happened in 2005. If it was for the media MJ would have been guilty, but the court it's different, evidence is needed.
 
Mariuana said:
I always was asking myself *wtf* when family members were talking about MJ's drug addiction. I can never understand this way of manner. What are you trying to reveal? When I heard it from people like Janet and mom, I was upset a lot....
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Because the jacksons have an obsession with acting like they are close and tight nit and that they knew what went on in mjs life.when infact none of them bar katherine had even spoken to him in years at least toya admitted this ill give her that. But some of them instead of admitting that and ruining the elusion.would rather throw him under the bus cause good ole randy tells ppl what was going on and certain ppl in his family take what he says as gospel cause they sure as hell didnt have a relationship with mj therefore have to get their info from somewhere and its much better to act like the caring family member who tried to help and was rejected then admit u never saw mj cause he didnt want to see u and u had no clue about what he was doing for the previous five years.i know what story i would pick if i wanted to make myself and the family look goodthe jacksons are emotionally stunted.their actions through the decades have shown that.so its no surprisr they act like they do now
 
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Thanks, Elusive. And also, I think the Jackson's were throwing that phrase around initially because they hoped to INVALIDATE the will -- i.e. implying he was not competent for ANY will that he wrote. With "no will" at all, THEN, the family would have inherited. I think their motivations were entirely self-serving.

I for one, and SICK and TIRED of even hearing that "d.a." phrase used, ANYWHERE. There are connotations to it that bring up negative impressions of street-drugs and bad behavior, when we KNOW that was not the case. I really AM tired of that discussion, entirely.

Nobody knows what pain Michael may have dealt with. But I, myself, have had horrific back-pain, that completely ruined quality-of-life. I have had access to prescription pain medication, only a few times. But for those times, I know it totally made the difference in being "present," (i.e. for my CHILD), or entirely focused on the pain. At those times when Michael may have used pain-medication, he wasn't getting HIGH -- he was trying to COPE, and there is a huge difference. There are times when choices must be made, by MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, as to which is worse. A physical "addiction" to a MEDICATION, or intractable pain. That is an entirely different situation from the connotations of the "d.a." phrase, of someone skulking around in back-alleys and looking to get high.

I really hope this thread is the LAST TIME we talk about that here!
 
Autumn II said:
Thanks, Elusive. And also, I think the Jackson's were throwing that phrase around initially because they hoped to INVALIDATE the will -- i.e. implying he was not competent for ANY will that he wrote. With "no will" at all, THEN, the family would have inherited. I think their motivations were entirely self-serving.
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This is the only thing that makes sense. Didn't the Jacksons also try to get Michael declared incompetent at one point as well?
 
I hate that people say this about him. I really do because I feel it's not right when no one has shown proof of it and it just their word. Do I think he had issues in the past? Yes and even Michael admitted that but I don't believe he was this addict that had no mind of his own and could not function. I am going to give Michael more credit than that.

I remember when he died and people were waiting for the autopsy. Everyone thought it would show he was so full of drugs etc. All it showed was what Murray gave him that night and he was healthy for his age. I notice how the media etc ignore this truth. You never hear people on their shows talk about what the autopsy shows. Why? I guess it doesn't fit their agenda. I am hoping during the trial that the prosecution rely on the autopsy. Those are actual facts and not opinions or heresay. Actual facts.

I don't have rose colored glasses when it comes to Michael. We may never know the whole truth. I love him regardless. I always will and I just want justice for him.
 
Right now this is all I can find, but I'm fairly certain they tried to do it before he died too. I'll keep looking for the info.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/22/ng.01.html


At the same time the raid goes down hours ago on Jackson`s private doc, is grandmother, Katherine Jackson being manipulating into having her son, superstar Michael Jackson, declared incompetent -- incompetent! -- at the time he wrote his will? Is she being played like a fiddle by father Joe Jackson? Legal experts say incompetence is the only way the Jacksons can finally get their mitts on Jackson`s half-a-billion-dollar empire.
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Emotionally exhausted from everything I've heard, read, and seen today...and it's only the first day of this trial. What's also upsetting is that now the media has really gone into over-drive in calling Michael a "drug addict", especially with the recording that was released today. It seems as if they'll use this term to describe him all throughout this freakin' trial. Literally, every other sentence coming out of these journalists/analysts/guests is centered on his "drug addiction". WTF :angry:
 
Then stop watching and reading them. u have the internet the livestreams theres no need to watch these media whores.
 
The moment the trial began I personally decided not to watch tv at all.
 
We knew it would be like that. The people on TV only care for ratings, so they try any juicy story they can; we know they dont care about justice or truth. That's the only good thing about having this trial televised : we dont need to rely on these clowns. You wont earn anything from them anyway. All you need is the streaming, and MJJC offers you one.
Furthermore, not watching those shows lowers their ratings, and is a step forward to make them disappear.
 
I thought this would be a good place for this clip.



 
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