Michael's Housekeeper and Nanny

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I was watching that hour they had on tlc about his children.

And the chef, Kai Chase, she mentioned Michael's maid that was in the house on the 25th.

I've heard that the chef, the security guards, and Murray were the extra people in the house. But I've never heard any mention of the maid, no interviews from the maid or anything.

This is strange.
 
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I have never heard mention of a maid being present that night/day. Wonder if this is true, was she questioned by LE? Not only that, do you remember the rumors about an alleged maid who supposedly saw (in his bedroom) a handwritten Will made by Michael? That's what I thought of when you asked this question. Interesting!
 
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I have never heard mention of a maid being present that night/day. Wonder if this is true, was she questioned by LE? Not only that, do you remember the rumors about an alleged maid who supposedly saw (in his bedroom) a handwritten Will made by Michael? That's what I thought of when you asked this question. Interesting!


Where do you remember hearing this from? It does make sense that there would be a maid - & who would clean upstairs too. Very interesting.
 
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sorry guys, it was a Nanny that she said. There was a nanny inside the house. I guess it's when she said "housekeeper" right afterwards and I was hearing it for the first time that put "maid" into my head.

Kai Chase mentions the nanny here around 1:27. If anyone can find the transcript or a clearer video please post it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pinEluHhkaU&feature=related
 
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Last Fall Jrsfan--when we were all discussing the validity of the Will. I'm checking to see if I bookmarked it.
 
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From a different one of Kai's interviews, she makes it VERY clear that there was a nanny AND a housekeeper on that day of the 25th. If it wasn't for Kai's story, we would have never known. And we're lucky she even remembers to mention them too.

At 4:37, a housekeeper and a nanny are mentioned.


So, I have a simple question.

Why not a single word from both the nanny or the housekeeper? :scratch:

Who hired this housekeeper and this nanny? About what time did they start working for Michael?
 
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Why not a single word from both the nanny or the housekeeper?

Maybe because they are decent people and decided not to run to the press?
 
good point, who are they and why they were never exposed by the media?
 
good point, who are they and why they were never exposed by the media?

That is what I don't understand. We have the chef, Murray, Michael's main security guards, and even that "extra security" mentioned by the media in some way.

Not a single word about this nanny and this housekeeper.

So let's they did go to police, I am very curious to know what they have told.

I don't know, but something is strange about this.....unlike the brand new staff hired that night, the extra security, we knew about them right after, but NEVER about the housekeeper and the nanny?

I'm just turning over MISSED stones here. And in this situation, I don't trust anyone, UNTIL they are proven innocent.

And such innocent roles they have.....I'm getting wierd vibes right now just bringing them up.
 
I wonder if that housekeeper has been interviewed?
And if yes, did she tell the whole story?
I'm afraid these people that surrounded Michael were instructed to keep their mouths shut.
 
My favorite quote from Brian Oxman concerning this entire thing.

"We haven't seen so much secrecy since Princess Diana died."

But getting back, they could have very important info or they could be in on everything.

I have tried looking them up but I can't find a single thing but Kai's little mention of them. They are as anonymous as those "extra security guards".
 
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the police treat MJ's death in the first 48 hours as an overdose , they did not treated all the house employers as wtnesses of anything but Murray's existance that night...
the chief was intrviewed by the police only for 9 min. infront of her house ( as far as i remember, correct me if this is wrong),
Thome asked the other employers to leave , no one maybe know their real identites, the chief was a well known personality she had a programme that's why she was forced to expose her self especially that she was promoting her book, but the others are still a big ???
 
the police treat MJ's death in the first 48 hours as an overdose , they did not treated all the house employers as wtnesses of anything but Murray's existance that night...
the chief was intrviewed by the police only for 9 min. infront of her house ( as far as i remember, correct me if this is wrong),
Thome asked the other employers to leave , no one maybe know their real identites, the chief was a well known personality she had a programme that's why she was forced to expose her self especially that she was promoting her book, but the others are still a big ???

Yes, you are right.

And Michael Amir Williams, when he was at the hospital, he called security at the house and told them to "lock it down" and let no one in. But he didn't say anything about letting people out.

Thome comes in late that night and fires the whole entire staff.

At the hospital when Amir Williams told them to lock the place down, we know Kai Chase already left the house, and Williams and Alberto were at the hospital. So those that were possibly still in there were the "extra security" and the nanny and housekeeper....and possibly Muhammad.

The extra security, nanny and the housekeeper, we know nothing about them.

dirtydiana, Where and around what time did you hear those rumors that a maid saw a handwritten will in Michael's hand? And who said it?
 
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From a different one of Kai's interviews, she makes it VERY clear that there was a nanny AND a housekeeper on that day of the 25th. If it wasn't for Kai's story, we would have never known. And we're lucky she even remembers to mention them too.

At 4:37, a housekeeper and a nanny are mentioned.





So, I have a simple question.

Why not a single word from both the nanny or the housekeeper? :scratch:

Who hired this housekeeper and this nanny? About what time did they start working for Michael?

I noticed in the vid that the Hollywood TV vid of the ambulance backing out - it looks like there are other cars in the driveway, which makes sense for it to backout. Are they police cars? I can't really tell. Maybe nothing.
 
I didn't watch. Is it on youtube? How was it?

well, Ashtanga found some clear videos.

But there was no new information she gave, just repeated what she said before. That interview I posted of NBC is more informative and you miss nothing she said from tlc.
 
Thanks for the link. Just finished watching it. It made me cry AGAIN. I thought I was done crying for Michael. NOT!

Sorry to have gotten off topic.
 
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The Nanny -I think a woman called Sister Rose was their nanny.

However, conflicting stories of who she is.
Ive heard she is a JW and Katherines friend.
Ive heard she is part of NOI and the kids nanny.
Ive also heard she was the kids tutor..

Here is a pic of her leaving UCLA on June 25th with Katherine in the car. Can she be the nanny that was in the house that day?

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Paris and Sister Rose in Las Vegas August 2009
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The Nanny -I think a woman called Sister Rose was their nanny.

However, conflicting stories of who she is.
Ive heard she is a JW and Katherines friend.
Ive heard she is part of NOI and the kids nanny.
Ive also heard she was the kids tutor..

Here is a pic of her leaving UCLA on June 25th with Katherine in the car. Can she be the nanny that was in the house that day?

Hmmm...very interesting. But, how do we know if that was the specific nanny working for Michael? Has anyone said it or reported it?

She could be any friend of Katherine's, or even relative. I heard she has family at her house all the time.

There were no reports of the nanny or the housekeeper leaving the house either.

When everyone was at the hospital, the only possible people that were still in the house were the extra security guards, the nanny and housekeeper, and MAYBE Muhammad. Everyone else was gone.

That woman in the backseat with Katherine, if she is the nanny and was riding with Katherine, I don't remember any reports of Katherine driving to Michael's house first, and then the hospital.

I don't think that lady was the nanny in the house that day.
 
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There were no reports of the nanny or the housekeeper leaving the house either.
When everyone was at the hospital, the only possible people that were still in the house were the extra security guards, the nanny and housekeeper, and MAYBE Muhammad. Everyone else was gone.

Ive seen articles that the kids and their nanny were being driven to UCLA by their bodyguards. Cant however give you a link. I have a hard time seeing that no nanny was with them at the hospital.

Didnt La Toya or even Kai Chase say that all staff were fired that morning? Have you seen the paparazzi-Bens whole video of that day? It was "finally" shown on ABC 20/20 and you can see staff leave the property.

That woman in the backseat with Katherine, if she is the nanny and was riding with Katherine, I don't remember any reports of Katherine driving to Michael's house first, and then the hospital.

No, Katherine did NOT go to Michaels house first. She went directly to the hospital. There are videos of her arriving alone to the hospital.

The picture of Sister Rose and Katherine is from when they left the hospital on June 25th. That must mean that these two women met at UCLA and thats why I believe she was/is the nanny.

If you also google "sister Rose + Michael Jackson" or "Sister Rose + Paris Jackson" you will see articles about her being the nanny... hehe
 
Didnt La Toya or even Kai Chase say that all staff were fired that morning? Have you seen the paparazzi-Bens whole video of that day? It was "finally" shown on ABC 20/20 and you can see staff leave the property.

No, none of them said that, not that I recall. But everyone was fired by Thome that night.

The video shown on ABC, was it day time that you saw the staff leaving the property? They could have been going to the hospital, or it could have been hours later, and some of them could have been leaving for home.

But either way, not ALL staff left. Extra security for sure, housekeeper, and MAYBE Muhammad was still at the house while Michael was at the hospital. And staff was still there when Thome fired them at 11 pm.
 
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I believe with in that 3 weeks he was poisoned.

Something strong, untraceable and quick. The script of drugs and Murray no sleep was written later.
 
^^^why was the chef let go in the first place? then to be rehired in June? Strange.
The extra security guards... all these things smell fishy to me. And wasn't Thome @UCLA while Jermaine went public with the news of MJ's death? But he then returns to fire everyone at 11pm?
 
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Would she was the nanny? :thinking: Thanks for the video.


I remember that during the prelim was told her name. If I'm not mistaken, is Rosalita.


Rosalyn or Sister Rose is the nanny. This is the housekeeper I think.

This article labels her as Grace, pic looks like it was taken the same day:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news...-former-nanny-grace-rwaramba-115875-21494859/
WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Jackson's secret girlfriend was his children's former nanny Grace Rwaramba


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By Lara Gould and Will Payne 5/07/2009
*****’s personal photographer Ian Barkley says: Grace loved Michael and he loved her.. it was an open secret among staff
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Michael Jackson had a secret girlfriend who his children called “mom”, close friends of the singer have told the Sunday Mirror.
We can reveal that the star was in a long-term relationship with Ugandan-born Grace Rwaramba at the time he died.
Ian Barkley, who travelled the world with ***** for three years as his personal photographer, says the couple’s romance was an open secret among staff after they fell in love while she was nanny to his children.
Ian told how, behind closed doors, Grace, 42, acted like a normal mum to Jackson’s kids Prince Michael, 12, Paris Katherine, 11 and six-year-old Prince Michael II.
“Grace loved Michael and he loved her,” he said. “The kids called her ‘Mom’.”
Last week Jackson’s former head of security Matt Fiddes revealed the King of Pop had a secret lover – but refused to reveal her name.
Fiddes, 30, who has known ***** since the 1990s, said: “The family were aware that there was someone special in his life who he loved and adored and had his ups and downs with.
“For some time she’s been present in his life. She wasn’t a celebrity figure – absolutely not. I imagine she is distraught right now.”
Another of Jackson’s bodyguards said: “Matt was referring to Grace. They were more like a married couple than employer and employee.”
The minder, who asked not to be identified added: “Grace was the closest person to Michael and the kids. She will be broken-hearted. The children were always their joint priority and like any couple they’d row if they disagreed about how they were being brought up.
“But the difference between Grace and other women in Michael’s life was that she had absolutely no interest in fame. It was something she actively avoided and Michael was determined to keep her and their relationship out of the public gaze.
“The romance was well-known among staff but it was made very clear to them that this was not something that should become part of the public domain.”
Grace was introduced to ***** by his former spokesman Dr Tohme R Tohme in 1991. She started out as a secretary before working her way up to become the most important woman in the superstar’s life.
In 1999 she was picked to care for Jackson’s oldest kids following his divorce from second wife Debbie Rowe. She became the dominant figure in their lives with one insider noting: “Everything is done Grace’s way.”
Six years later, Jackson asked her to take the children to meet the oldest kids’ surrogate mother Debbie Rowe. Debbie was said to be stunned when she heard the kids call Grace “Mom”. The bond between them was so strong that it was Grace the kids reportedly cried for after hearing of their father’s death 10 days ago.
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This week Grace was back in Beverly Hills after Jackson’s family asked her to help comfort the kids. She is expected to be among the chief mourners at the private family funeral on Tuesday.
Barkley, a key member of *****’s inner circle between 2002 and 2005, believes the children should live with Grace rather than Jackson’s mum, who has temporary custody.
But Debbie Rowe is preparing to launch her own multi-million-dollar custody bid.
Ian added: “Though I love Michael’s mum Katherine, she is 79 and if she passes on, the best place for the kids to go would be to Grace. She really raised them. She was with them day in and day out. She really loved them and they they adored her as they would a mother.”
Stunning Grace, who also had a short-lived romance with Jackson’s older brother Jermaine in the early Nineties, said last week she quit the US in December after being sacked by *****. The drug-addled star was said to have become jealous of her closeness to the children.
Grace had been sacked on several other occasions only to be re-employed. Once she was dismissed for calling Jackson’s mother and sister to ask them to intervene over his drug problems.
She has said that in recent months he had become dirty and unkempt, and had so little ready money he could not even afford balloons to mark Paris’s birthday – adding that Katherine phoned her the day after his death to ask where money was hidden in his house.
Grace revealed Michael hid cash in black bags under carpets at his Los Angeles mansion. The former nanny this year set up home in London, where the Thriller singer was due to stage his 50-date comeback shows this month.
Jackson was drawn to Grace because of their shared interest in helping children in poverty. She backed his idea to adopt five kids from developing countries and two years ago the couple were said to be planning a major humanitarian campaign to help destitute children.
Grace was also credited for convincing the star that he could make a full-scale comeback and reclaim his King of Pop crown.
The loyal nanny, who describes *****’s kids as as “my babies”, told a TV interviewer last week: “I took them in my arms on the first day of each of their lives.”
She is said to have wielded so much power in the Jackson household that she controlled all access to the singer – even deciding which family members could speak to him.
Three years ago she reportedly barred Michael’s dad Joe from the family mansion.
A year later it was rumoured the couple had secretly married but this was denied by Grace, who is still legally married to first husband Stacey Adair.
lara.gould@sundaymirror.co.uk
 
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