Michael's mom reported missing /Grandma's Home/TJ appointed Co/Guardian with Katherine

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Ivy, if the will from 2002 is invalidated would that automatically invalidate the trust document?
 
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Provoking what? I think my question is a legitimate one considering the course this thread has been on for a number of pages.

I respectfully disagree. You've obviously not understood me and you've obviously made up your mind about me, so please stop. Ignore me if you wish, but I've been discussing VERY nicely with other members and I find your attacks unfair and as attempts to provoke me. Just ignore me, I do not wish to discuss with you.
 
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Very sad that we are allowing these useless Jacksons to hijack #Bad25

This is all diversion tactic ....they were jealous of MJ when he was alive and they are still jealous of the tremendous success his estate has enjoyed and same for his kids.

Everytime we have an exciting new projects to look forward to, they pull a fuckery like this. It happened with the "Michael" album...and now this.

NB to the Stella person, please avoid replying to my post
 
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Maybe it's just me but I would like to give Michael the benefit of the doubt and like maybe he knew what he was doing? Why does everything have to be fake and not what he wanted? He gave everything to his chidren and wanted to continue to give to charity. He always took care of his mother and wanted that to continue. He never wanted his family to run his business and in death that continues. Branca and Mccalin seem to be respected in their fields and very smart. Unless there is some watergate scandal going on here then I choose to respect what Michael wanted. I am also going to look forward to Bad 25 and I hope others will too.
 
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Very sad that we are allowing these Useless Jackson's to hijack #Bad25

This is all diversion tactic ....they were jealous of MJ when he was alive and they are still jealous of the tremendous success his estate has enjoyed and same for his kids.

Everytime we have an exacting new projects, they pull a fuckery like this. It happened with the "Michael" album...and now this.

NB to the Stella person, please avoid replying to my post

I enjoy reading your posts Memefan and wondered what your take on this whole mess was.
 
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I wish we could all get along like we used to in middle school... I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy... :(
 
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The only evidence to suggest that the will is forged is a video of MJ in new york and it has been explained in a court of law. How the Jackson's plan to open up this can of worms with their new lawyer and no rights to question the executors without Katherine on their side is beyond me. Janet and company had 10 days to get Katherine on there side and on the surface seems to have failed or maybe she is secretly on their side and playing both sides of the fence to see what happens because she could end the fuckery with a letter acknowleging the will is valid and her support for the estate and that would definely show her children's true motives. She said in court docs they basicallly kidnapped her why not go all the way with public statement of support of estate so this wildfire of madness could end with MJ children out the mix.
 
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could mrs kj reinstate her claim against cm for restituation?

Nope! when she declined it she was told she was not be able to change her mind at any point. There was an article about it. Judge Pastor told her that. He really wanted her to go for it, because he really believed Murray was a danger to society, sociopathic and non-remorseful, but Katherine decided against it because she was suing AEG, which she will lose anyway.
 
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I've seen maybe 5 CONSTRUCTIVE messages in this thread. Most of them are speculation and straight bashing of Janet and others. If there was constructive discussion I would've responded to it. But if it's only bashing and twisting I really don't see any reason to respond to that.

I've been reading some of your posts, don't have time to read everything,but from what I've read from you, Justme, it it obvious to me, that you are a Janet fan. No problem with that. The problem that I do have is that a lot of us may be hard on Janet at the moment because frankly the evidence is very clear of her involvement in this whole plot.

1. her signature is in that letter about the will being fraudulent.
2. There is video showing her trying to grab Paris' iphone from her. The slapping and cursing was indeed lies from TMZ and Paris clarified it.
3. JJ was part of the ABC interview with her grandma.
4. KJ declaration to the court stating she was lied to and misguided.
5. MJ, Jr.'s tweet where he demanded to speak to his grandmother but Janet Jackson, responded "don't let them please".

I don't know how you can say we are twisting things around, and maybe we are being hard on Janet (bashing her as you say) but based on the evidence I outlined above, I think we have every right to criticize Janet on her involvement in this matter. After all, this is a Michal Jackson community and by extension his three children.

I don't think it helps her endear her to me when she goes on TV - to Oprah no less, and tells the world MJ is a drug addict and she hasn't even had contact with him for years, then I take offense to that.

I have to say, I have no idea her motivation for her involvement. She is worth, from what I've read between 100-150 million, so based on that, I personally don't think it's the money, maybe she doesn't want the family to leach off of her, I simply don't know her motivation. All I know is that she was knee deep in it and based on actual FACTS, it certainly does not bode well for her reputation or image. It certainly wasn't smart and lacked any common sense. But the Jackson family, sans MJ have done some bone headed things through the years, so not suprising, but Janet, I don't know,it really surprised when she threw MJ under the bus in that interview, now this, I am certainly disappointed and confused by her actions.
 
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Very sad that we are allowing these Useless Jackson's to hijack #Bad25

This is all diversion tactic ....they were jealous of MJ when he was alive and they are still jealous of the tremendous success his estate has enjoyed and same for his kids.

Everytime we have an exacting new projects, they pull a fuckery like this. It happened with the "Michael" album...and now this.

NB to the Stella person, please avoid replying to my post

I agree!! I love your countdown to BAD25!! And I am so looking forward to BAD25. I believe BAD25 will be huge no matter what. We are ALL looking forward to it. Can't wait!
 
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I've been reading some of your posts, don't have time to read everything,but from what I've read from you, Justme, it it obvious to me, that you are a Janet fan. No problem with that. The problem that I do have is that a lot of us may be hard on Janet at the moment because frankly the evidence is very clear of her involvement in this whole plot.

1. her signature is in that letter about the will being fraudulent.
2. There is video showing her trying to grab Paris' iphone from her. The slapping and cursing was indeed lies from TMZ and Paris clarified it.
3. JJ was part of the ABC interview with her grandma.
4. KJ declaration to the court stating she was lied to and misguided.
5. MJ, Jr.'s tweet where he demanded to speak to his grandmother but Janet Jackson, responded "don't let them please".

I don't know how you can say we are twisting things around, and maybe we are being hard on Janet (bashing her as you say) but based on the evidence I outlined above, I think we have every right to criticize Janet on her involvement in this matter. After all, this is a Michal Jackson community and by extension his three children.

I don't think it helps her endear her to me when she goes on TV - to Oprah no less, and tells the world MJ is a drug addict and she hasn't even had contact with him for years, then I take offense to that.

I have to say, I have no idea her motivation for her involvement. She is worth, from what I've read between 100-150 million, so based on that, I personally don't think it's the money, maybe she doesn't want the family to leach off of her, I simply don't know her motivation. All I know is that she was knee deep in it and based on actual FACTS, it certainly does not bode well for her reputation or image. It certainly wasn't smart and lacked any common sense. But the Jackson family, sans MJ have done some bone headed things through the years, so not suprising, but Janet, I don't know,it really surprised when she threw MJ under the bus in that interview, now this, I am certainly disappointed and confused by her actions.
Yep, I am a hardcore Janet AND Michael Jackson fan :) I'm not gonna get into this conversation about what is fact, and what isn't, but I will say this; being aggressive and using hateful speech against Janet (or any other member of the Jackson family, including & especially Michael) makes me angry. That is why I originally started commenting on this thread. I have given up a while back, though and atm I'm just enjoying the Michael-related conversations and trying to ignore those hateful messages. I'm not on anyone's side. I love Janet, but if she really did this for all the wrong reasons, I will of course agree with the rest. But no, I will still not start bashing her for that reason; I will however lose a great deal of respect towards her. I ask that people are fair, and wait for the actual facts till they judge. By actual facts, I mean court orders; not stories from "family sources", old court documents, estate lawyers and so on.

I appreciate your effort and believe it or not, actually agree with most of the things you've said. But I will wait for the conclusion before I jump into mine.
 
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I enjoy reading your posts Memefan and wondered what your take on this whole mess was.

Like everyone else, I am too disgusted by everything that's been going on to think straight.

Since I am banned from the Jacksons' section, i cannot rub it in. But to all those who cussed me out (for months, for years) for calling out Janet ... I told you so.

;)
 
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Dito!
 
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The validity of the Will has been challanged several times, all the way up to the California State Supreme Court. The Will is valid, if no evidence of criminal culpability can be upheld by a court of law it is a moot point. Once the Will is out of probate the directives of the Michael Jackson Trust will be in full effect. A previous question was if the Will is invalidated will the Trust be still effective---only if there are still assets available to fund it. The Estate has already put $30 million in the Trust, the more successfully the Executors are in generating wealth for the Estate, the better run and more well funded the Trust will be. The Trust is designed in such a way that if there comes a time when no Executor is available, the Bank of America will distribute the funds. I believe that Michael felt that the Sony/ATV asset would always be available to fund the Trust, and it should. With less adept Executors it is possible that the Michael Jackson Trust could be limited to just the $30 million that is there now.
 
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Janet Jackson Vows To Go On Fighting Michael's Estate Executors

If you though the Jackson family feud was settling down...Janet just threw a match on the fire.

In an extraordinary development in an already extraordinary story, Janet has issued a statement through her famous attorney vowing to fight on against the people running her brother Michael's estate.

Blair G. Brown, a partner in the Washington, DC firm Zuckerman Spaeder, issued a statement Friday saying he was representing Janet, Randy and Rebbie in their effort to get the current executors removed from Michael's estate and the will ruled as invalid.

Posting the statement on Janet's official website, Brown insists the singer and her siblings have nothing to gain financially if they are successful in ousting John Branca and John McClain as the Estate's executors and Howard Weitzman as the Estate's attorney.

He claims it is only those three who stand to lose financially if Michael's will is ruled invalid.

"Janet, Randy and Rebbie will continue to press forward in their search for the truth in order to carry out the wishes of their brother Michael," Brown writes.

As RadarOnline.com previously reported, on Wednesday, Jermaine Jackson has pulled out of the battle against the executors. Tito, who signed the open letter from the siblings that started this fight in mid-July, backed away within days of making the letter public.

But Janet, Randy and Rebbie don't have a legal leg to stand on, the Estate's attorney Howard Weitzman told us when the family feud first exploded. "Any doubts about the validity of Michael's will and his selection of executors were thoroughly and completely debunked two years ago when a challenge was rejected by the Los Angeles Superior Court, the California Court of Appeals, and finally, the California Supreme Court. Under the supervision of Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff, Co-Executors John Branca and John McClain have diligently carried out their fiduciary duties as well as their obligation to Michael to make sure that his Estate benefits the only family members he named in his will - his mother and his three children," Weitzman said.

"We are saddened that false and defamatory accusations grounded in stale Internet conspiracy theories are now being made by certain members of Michael's family whom he chose to leave out of his will. We are especially disheartened that they come at a time when remarkable progress has been made to secure the financial future of his children by turning around the Estate's finances as well as during a time when so many of Michael's fans are enjoying his artistry through exciting new projects launched by his Estate."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...cutors?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Oh WOW!! I just saw this. This is crazy. The gang of three with Janet as the ring leader! As far as I'm concerned she is as delusional and crazy as those other Jackson silbings. Maybe Janet is desperate for money. Well, let them fight it in court, and see what happens. I'm now going to listen to Michael's song "Money" that says it all as far as his family is concerned. :angry:
 
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Oh WOW!! I just saw this. This is crazy. The gang of three with Janet as the ring leader! As far as I'm concerned she is as delusional and crazy as those other Jackson silbings. Maybe Janet is desperate for money. Well, let them fight it in court, and see what happens. I'm now going to listen to Michael's song "Money" that says it all as far as his family is concerned. :angry:

I wonder how they are going to do that. According to what Ivy posted on twitter, Sanders, one of the lawyers who convinced KJ to not contest the Will, joined the AEG lawsuit.
 
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Like everyone else, I am too disgusted by everything that's been going on to think straight.

Since I am banned from the Jacksons' section, i cannot rub it in. But to all those who cussed me out (for months, for years) for calling out Janet for the jealous $%#@#$#$#$^&&$#%%%&& that she is... I told you so.

;)

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I wonder how they are going to do that. According to what Ivy posted on twitter, Sanders, one of the lawyers who convinced KJ to not contest the Will, joined the AEG lawsuit.

I thought he was already part of the AEG suit.
 
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Yep, I am a hardcore Janet AND Michael Jackson fan :) I'm not gonna get into this conversation about what is fact, and what isn't, but I will say this; being aggressive and using hateful speech against Janet (or any other member of the Jackson family, including & especially Michael) makes me angry. That is why I originally started commenting on this thread. I have given up a while back, though and atm I'm just enjoying the Michael-related conversations and trying to ignore those hateful messages. I'm not on anyone's side. I love Janet, but if she really did this for all the wrong reasons, I will of course agree with the rest. But no, I will still not start bashing her for that reason; I will however lose a great deal of respect towards her. I ask that people are fair, and wait for the actual facts till they judge. By actual facts, I mean court orders; not stories from "family sources", old court documents, estate lawyers and so on.

I appreciate your effort and believe it or not, actually agree with most of the things you've said. But I will wait for the conclusion before I jump into mine.

Well I know you are new to the forum, and we always welcome new people that are Michael fans like you are. I frankly, am not a Janet fan so I see things a little different. I understand we should be fair; that is true. But you also have to understand that a lot of us who are hard core Michael fans like I am, don't like what we are seeing from Ms. Jackson. Some of us are being very harsh, some of us not so much. But overall like I pointed out, imho, those points I outlined, to me, are facts that shouldn't be ignored. Now I just saw this official letter from Janet and her attorney trying to keep fighting the estate. So what are we supposed to think? I do also appreciate you being objective, fair and open. We will see if this goes to court and what the outcome is, in the meantime, though, at the moment,it doesn't bode well for Janet. Well, at least we have common ground, we love Michael. :better:
 
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I thought he was already part of the AEG suit.

She said he applied on June 26th and joined the lawsuit on August 1st. I wonder why Joe is stil friend with Lowell Henry, too.
 
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Well I know you are new to the forum, and we always welcome new people that are Michael fans like you are. I frankly, am not a Janet fan so I see things a little different. I understand we should be fair; that is true. But you also have to understand that a lot of us who are hard core Michael fans like I am, don't like what we are seeing from Ms. Jackson. Some of us are being very harsh, some of us not so much. But overall like I pointed out, imho, those points I outlined, to me, are facts that shouldn't be ignored. Now I just saw this official letter from Janet and her attorney trying to keep fighting the estate. So what are we supposed to think? I do also appreciate you being objective, fair and open. We will see if this goes to court and what the outcome is, in the meantime, though, at the moment,it doesn't bode well for Janet. Well, at least we have common ground, we love Michael. :better:
Of course I understand that, and of course I've asked myself the same questions. But because I've been a Janet fan for well over a decade, I also know that this is nothing like her and something must be seriously wrong for her to get involved. I can accept the speculations, and I will not deny facts. But I don't consider half-facts mixed with opinion fair and truthful. I do not see the point in the letter Janet and other released, unless they are taking it to court. I am not a crazed fan who refuses to listen when it's obvious that something's not right here. As I said, I will wait till the end result and then either join the masses calling Janet a [insult here] or then I'll say I'm glad I was patient and waited it out. Either way it doesn't affect my life. All the hateful comments after my post only proved my point, so I'll try my best to stay outta this thread, unless I am curious and want to ask questions about something.
 
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Very sad that we are allowing these useless Jacksons to hijack #Bad25

This is all diversion tactic ....they were jealous of MJ when he was alive and they are still jealous of the tremendous success his estate has enjoyed and same for his kids.

Everytime we have an exciting new projects to look forward to, they pull a fuckery like this. It happened with the "Michael" album...and now this.

Everytime Randy and his goons go on a rant about taking down the estate, I add an extra copy of something Bad 25 to my shopping list to donate for upcoming Christmas present drives.:pth: I'm hoping there will be a bigger push from the fan base for a strong debut once it gets closer to the release dates and whatever stunt the siblings pull around that time will largely go ignored.
 
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Of course I understand that, and of course I've asked myself the same questions. But because I've been a Janet fan for well over a decade, I also know that this is nothing like her and something must be seriously wrong for her to get involved. I can accept the speculations, and I will not deny facts. But I don't consider half-facts mixed with opinion fair and truthful. I do not see the point in the letter Janet and other released, unless they are taking it to court. I am not a crazed fan who refuses to listen when it's obvious that something's not right here. As I said, I will wait till the end result and then either join the masses calling Janet a [insult here] or then I'll say I'm glad I was patient and waited it out. Either way it doesn't affect my life. All the hateful comments after my post only proved my point, so I'll try my best to stay outta this thread, unless I am curious and want to ask questions about something.

I do not know much about Janet so I find your comment about her behaviour being out of character interesting.

Would you agree since nipplegate Janet's career is not what it once was and therefore she is not making the money she once did.

Could that be a factor or is she rich as the media say?
 
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I do not know much about Janet so I find your comment about her behaviour being out of character interesting.

Would you agree since nipplegate Janet's car theer is not what it once was and therefore she is not making the money she once did.

Could that be a factor or is she rich as the media say?

I think Super bowl 04 absolutely destroyed her international career, and it was the worst move she could've took, but I also know she's far from being broke. She's got a lot of money invested in bank shares and her movies have done really well, not to mention the upclose and personal tour she just did which made her tens of millions more. There's also the book, nutrisystem etc. She is not doing music, and hasn't been to the studio for so long, so I don't think she's even interested in that right now. So, no, she is not broke at all. But I do not know what her motivations are.
 
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I think Super bowl 04 absolutely destroyed her international career, and it was the worst move she could've took, but I also know she's far from being broke. She's got a lot of money invested in bank shares and her movies have done really well, not to mention the upclose and personal tour she just did which made her tens of millions more. There's also the book, nutrisystem etc. She is not doing music, and hasn't been to the studio for so long, so I don't think she's even interested in that right now. So, no, she is not broke at all. But I do not know what her motivations are.

Do you know if she helps the family like Michael did?
 
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Do you know if she helps the family like Michael did?
Some fans say that she does, but she is extremely private so I don't think there's any way to prove whether she does or doesn't.
 
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Fans just want the truth. As a fan of Michael, his family has looked crazy these last couple of weeks. I am not being mean here but it comes across this way. We always stood by Michael because he had the truth on his side. All his family does is talk. They always say the truth will come out and they are gonna do this and that. They never finish what they start. I am not a fan of Janet or the rest of the family but if they actually had evidence that something is wrong then I would look at and consider it. I think people here would too.
 
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I wonder how they are going to do that. According to what Ivy posted on twitter, Sanders, one of the lawyers who convinced KJ to not contest the Will, joined the AEG lawsuit.

I thought he was already part of the AEG suit.

She said he applied on June 26th and joined the lawsuit on August 1st. I wonder why Joe is stil friend with Lowell Henry, too.

Katherine's main lawyer in AEG lawsuit is Brian Panish - the guy who read the family statement at Murray trial before sentencing. Perry Sanders ho is KJ's Estate lawyer has just been added to the AEG case.
 
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Fans just want the truth. As a fan of Michael, his family has looked crazy these last couple of weeks. I am not being mean here but it comes across this way. We always stood by Michael because he had the truth on his side. All his family does is talk. They always say the truth will come out and they are gonna do this and that. They never finish what they start. I am not a fan of Janet or the rest of the family but if they actually had evidence that something is wrong then I would look at and consider it. I think people here would too.
Yep, absolutely agree. I want the truth as bad as everyone else :)
 
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