Michael's Unreleased Material [MERGED]

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I see a few people mentioning the will.i.am tracks. I'm sure that will.i.am himself stated that all he has in his possession, are the instrumentals. When The Estate (a.k.a. John Branca) said that the songs don't exist, it was my understanding that he meant the vocals - or at least substantial vocals; vocals that would have to actually be in their possession, for them to work with.

From a personal point of view, I am only interested in tracks that have MJ's vocals and I need something more than just a chorus. "Almost finished" songs is where it's at, for me.

:)
 

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I see a few people mentioning the will.i.am tracks. I'm sure that will.i.am himself stated that all he has in his possession, are the instrumentals. When The Estate (a.k.a. John Branca) said that the songs don't exist, it was my understanding that he meant the vocals - or at least substantial vocals; vocals that would have to actually be in their possession, for them to work with.

From a personal point of view, I am only interested in tracks that have MJ's vocals and I need something more than just a chorus. "Almost finished" songs is where it's at, for me.

:)

But the question remains, just how many unreleased tracks are "near completion"? Is it 20? 30? 40-50? Because, considering Michael's stance on leaving songs alone for years on end (with some even remaining on the shelf by the time of his death, like "Beautiful Girl" and "Ghost of Another Lover", for instance), he most likely doesn't have over 100 finished tracks.
 

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I see a few people mentioning the will.i.am tracks. I'm sure that will.i.am himself stated that all he has in his possession, are the instrumentals. When The Estate (a.k.a. John Branca) said that the songs don't exist, it was my understanding that he meant the vocals - or at least substantial vocals; vocals that would have to actually be in their possession, for them to work with.

From a personal point of view, I am only interested in tracks that have MJ's vocals and I need something more than just a chorus. "Almost finished" songs is where it's at, for me.

:)

That can't be right, because he tried to release "I'm Dreamin'" on his album in 2013, but the Estate shut him down.
 

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Re: List of Michael's Unreleased Material

I think AlwaysThere sort of gave up a quarter of the way through.

Haha, I was doing a ground-up reworking of it and sort of forgot!

I'll try to have something up soon:)
 

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Weird that the estate allowed breaking news et al but wouldn't allow I'm dreaming on wills album.
 

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Weird that the estate allowed breaking news et al but wouldn't allow I'm dreaming on wills album.

I think it's because Will refused to let the Estate use his tracks on Michael, publicly slammed them several times for finishing and releasing Michael's unreleased music without his guidance, and then hypocritically tried to do the exact same thing.
 

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I think it's because Will refused to let the Estate use his tracks on Michael, publicly slammed them several times for finishing and releasing Michael's unreleased music without his guidance, and then hypocritically tried to do the exact same thing.

THIS.

That's because the Estate are a bunch of money-hungry bastards who put profits before MJ's artistic integrity.

Not this.

There is not a "bunch" of people. There are two executors and their job is see the Estate through probate - generate income, settle claims, pay out debts, distribute assets, provide for the beneficiaries. will.i.am does not have the right to use MJ's work without the permission of the Estate and they didn't give it. Simple.
 

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Why would the Estate choose not to release any of the Will.i.am tracks at a time when he was still a commercial powerhouse (i.e., 2010 to 2013)? Those songs had massive value at the time; they didn't come out because Will regularly refused to sign off on them. And if the Estate can't use them, why on Earth should Will be allowed to?

I want to hear the Will.i.am tracks as much as the rest of us, but his conduct over them has been aggravating as hell.
 

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I am at the point that I doubt we will ever get to hear the Will.I.Am tracks, at least not in our lifetime.

Question: At some point, will Michael's children be able to take control over this kind of stuff?

Also, if Paris is doing her thing releasing an album, one would think we could get a duet with her and Michael on something unreleased. Think of Nat King Cole and Natalie Cole.
 

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My opinion is that the will.i.am tracks are either not finished enough vocally or the tracks simply aren’t good enough. Who knows? We need more info on these songs.
 

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Don't think the kids will even want to take over tbh. They have their own lives.
 

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while michael kids have lives on their own. i still feel michael should still be part of their lives. for example Prince is keeping his father legacy alive while doing a organization to help people etc.

i praise prince for that. he haven't forgot who his father is and know he's innocent.
 

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Don't think the kids will even want to take over tbh. They have their own lives.

I agree. Paris and Prince seem to be forging their own paths, so I can't imagine them wanting to drop everything to run the Estate.

Honestly, weird as this may be, I'd love to see Michael Prince, Brad Buxer, Matt Forger, and/or Brad Sundberg take over.
 

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AmitLal92;4308857 said:
My opinion is that the will.i.am tracks are either not finished enough vocally or the tracks simply aren’t good enough. Who knows? We need more info on these songs.

Considering the quality of the work Will did on Thriller 25, I will go with they are not good enough for release. That’s a shame Will worked on the greatest album of all time.
 

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Smooth72;4308881 said:
That’s a shame Will worked on the greatest album of all time.

Best selling album don´t mean greatest album....
 

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AlwaysThere;4308848 said:
Why would the Estate choose not to release any of the Will.i.am tracks at a time when he was still a commercial powerhouse (i.e., 2010 to 2013)?

There was no point for the Estate to release these will.i.am songs even in that period (2010-2013) because if they did that, then they had to fill Michael Jackson's many missing vocal parts with other artists’ voices, and as a result, Michael Jackson would have sounded like a featured or a guest artist on his own songs.

That would be an embarrassing situation for both the Estate and Michael Jackson’s legacy.

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I am at the point that I doubt we will ever get to hear the Will.I.Am tracks, at least not in our lifetime.

will.i.am is pretty adamant that he is not going to release them.

As he stated, without Michael Jackson guiding it, he has no right to finish them and then to release them.

I do not have lofty expectations for these songs to be good enough, because Michael Jackson felt unexcited about them, so he left them unfinished and then he turned to other producers for producing new, better songs for him.
 

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mj_frenzy;4308905 said:
There was no point for the Estate to release these will.i.am songs even in that period (2010-2013) because if they did that, then they had to fill Michael Jackson's many missing vocal parts with other artists’ voices, and as a result, Michael Jackson would have sounded like a featured or a guest artist on his own songs.

That would be an embarrassing situation for both the Estate and Michael Jackson’s legacy.



will.i.am is pretty adamant that he is not going to release them.

As he stated, without Michael Jackson guiding it, he has no right to finish them and then to release them.

I do not have lofty expectations for these songs to be good enough, because Michael Jackson felt unexcited about them, so he left them unfinished and then he turned to other producers for producing new, better songs for him.

Pretty adamant until it came to trying to release one of them on his own album.
 

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lubyss;4308900 said:
Best selling album don´t mean greatest album....

Sorry, you are right. I should have choose different words.
 

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mj_frenzy;4308905 said:
There was no point for the Estate to release these will.i.am songs even in that period (2010-2013) because if they did that, then they had to fill Michael Jackson's many missing vocal parts with other artists’ voices, and as a result, Michael Jackson would have sounded like a featured or a guest artist on his own songs.

I do not have lofty expectations for these songs to be good enough, because Michael Jackson felt unexcited about them, so he left them unfinished and then he turned to other producers for producing new, better songs for him.

That depends on who you believe. Prior to MJ’s death, Will said they finished two songs together, but since then he’s been very inconsistent. Branca said they basically don’t exist, but I’m not inclined to believe him seeing that he (and Karen Langford) also claim that there’s nothing finished left in the vault, which we all KNOW is an outright lie.

Also, for the thousandth time, Michael’s opinion on a song very rarely has anything to do with its state of completion. There are countless titles that were never finished yet stayed on his radar for years (e.g., Hollywood Tonight, Shut Up and Dance, Days in Gloucestershire, Changes, Beautiful Girl, Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round), and there are countless others that were given full vocals yet never came up in conversation again (e.g., Slave to the Rhythm, Loving You, If You Don’t Love Me, Crack Kills, Buffalo Bill).
 

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AlwaysThere;4308945 said:
That depends on who you believe. Prior to MJ’s death, Will said they finished two songs together, but since then he’s been very inconsistent. Branca said they basically don’t exist, but I’m not inclined to believe him seeing that he (and Karen Langford) also claim that there’s nothing finished left in the vault, which we all KNOW is an outright lie.

Also, for the thousandth time, Michael’s opinion on a song very rarely has anything to do with its state of completion. There are countless titles that were never finished yet stayed on his radar for years (e.g., Hollywood Tonight, Shut Up and Dance, Days in Gloucestershire, Changes, Beautiful Girl, Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round), and there are countless others that were given full vocals yet never came up in conversation again (e.g., Slave to the Rhythm, Loving You, If You Don’t Love Me, Crack Kills, Buffalo Bill).

will.i.am stated some time ago that all these songs (that they together worked on) were not perfected in the way someone like Michael Jackson wanted them to be perfected.

This means that all of them are unfinished, and he went on to repeat also (in the same interview) that he is not going to finish them and then to release them.

This recent will.i.am’s statement confirms what John Branca said about that (that even these two “finished” songs do not basically exist).
 
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