MJ Book Club - Michael Jackson Book Discussion (Old Books and New)

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OK, obviously not a book about MJ, but I thought this would be interesting for our book club to know. :)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">These are the Michelangelo books MJ gave me <a href="https://t.co/ecA9kf8ZyQ">pic.twitter.com/ecA9kf8ZyQ</a></p>&mdash; Karen Faye (@wingheart) <a href="https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/1217498459411906561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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ScreenOrigami;4277183 said:
I’m currently in the process of sorting all the MJ material that has accumulated on my hard drive into a chronological timeline. How reliable is Adrian Grant’s book? Are there any known errors? Or is it safe to use that as a guide?

Thanks. :)

EDIT: Specifically, I’m wondering about the Motown audition. Grant places it in “winter 1968” while the Jacksons website clearly dates it July 23rd, so that doesn’t add up.

I would say it's very safe to use as a guide. I'm not sure why there is an inconsistency with the timing of the Motown audition, though - July is Summer in the USA, not Winter as you have pointed out.
 

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I found out yesterday that Doctor William Van Valin II passed away last week. So sad. Throughout his beautiful book, he sounds like a very sweet and caring man, who gave a lot of his time and consideration to Michael.

This is from the Michael Jackson Fans of Southern California Facebook group page. Apparently he met with MJ fans quite often and told them stories about MJ:

Very sad news. RIP Doc Barney, William Van Valin. You will be so very missed. Thank you for all the joy, love, respect and loyalty you shared with Michael Jackson and sharing your wonderful memories of MJ with MJ fans around the world.

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Mikky Dee;4280116 said:
I would say it's very safe to use as a guide. I'm not sure why there is an inconsistency with the timing of the Motown audition, though - July is Summer in the USA, not Winter as you have pointed out.

I read somewhere that they played at a Motown party that winter. So maybe Grant mixed up those events? Tito&#8217;s website also names July 23rd as the date of the audition:
https://www.titojackson.com/about/the-jackson-5

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I found out yesterday that Doctor William Van Valin II passed away last week. So sad. Throughout his beautiful book, he sounds like a very sweet and caring man, who gave a lot of his time and consideration to Michael.

A terrible loss. :( We&#8217;re so fortunate that he wrote this book. I hope, Taj got to interview him for his documentary.
 

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Hey Book Club, I have a question. :)

I read in Adrian Grant&#8217;s book that Takako Yasuo adapted MJ&#8217;s autobiography as an illustrated English text book for Japanese high schools.

Does anyone here know where to obtain a copy of this book? Or do we have scans of it somewhere in this forum, so that I can at least look at it? :)

Thanks!

EDIT: The year was 1991, according to Grant.
 
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I found out yesterday that Doctor William Van Valin II passed away last week. So sad. Throughout his beautiful book, he sounds like a very sweet and caring man, who gave a lot of his time and consideration to Michael.

This is from the Michael Jackson Fans of Southern California Facebook group page. Apparently he met with MJ fans quite often and told them stories about MJ:

Very sad news. RIP Doc Barney, William Van Valin. You will be so very missed. Thank you for all the joy, love, respect and loyalty you shared with Michael Jackson and sharing your wonderful memories of MJ with MJ fans around the world.

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That is sad to hear. I really enjoyed book about his friendship with Michael.
 

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Not sure where else to post this, so I guess the Book Club is a good place since it&#8217;s MJ&#8217;s favorite book. :)

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A new biography written in Polish and by Polish Journalist Ewa Bag&#322;aj.

The book will concentrate on Michael Jackson’s career and challenges in business.
It is a story about passion and work, love and suffering, an extraordinary philosophy of life and the fight for what matters most. The innovative approach to the topic focuses on three aspects of the personality of one of the most talented artists of the 20th century. It is a special kind of mind, emotional and spiritual sphere and social relations. It also gives a new perspective on the controversy and accusations.

Original Title: Michael Jackson. Ksi&#281;&#380;ycowym krokiem do gwiazd
ISBN139788362185337 – Language: Polish

https://hartigrama.pl/michael-jacks...C8gwJKh6q18FAYC4tuThYuAKWvkBnkK0qLac1vPRyZS1A
 

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ScreenOrigami;4280218 said:
Hey Book Club, I have a question. :)

I read in Adrian Grant&#8217;s book that Takako Yasuo adapted MJ&#8217;s autobiography as an illustrated English text book for Japanese high schools.

Does anyone here know where to obtain a copy of this book? Or do we have scans of it somewhere in this forum, so that I can at least look at it? :)

Thanks!

EDIT: The year was 1991, according to Grant.

I don't have any knowledge of this one, but I'll ask around.
 

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While we are all started to be at home around the world due to the Coronavirus COVID-19, we have now got plenty time on our hand and at MJVibe, we will try to keep your mind busy but also trying to keep as positive as possible.

Here our first “Book Flip” video. Of course this is the book from our dear Pez Jax and his book “Off The Wall – From the Beginning, brick by brick”.

So enjoy:

[video=youtube;x1soKBvIPik]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1soKBvIPik&feature=emb_title[/video]

Off the Wall – From the Beginning, Brick by Brick takes you on a visual journey through the career of Michael Jackson, from his debut appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show up to and including the release of his adult debut, Off the Wall. Accompanying over 80 images are a series of historical overviews that explore Jackson’s growth from being a part of the Motown machine to shaping, creating and dancing his way to become a solo superstar with an album that redefined the music industry.

“As Michael was such a visual artist, I wanted to see more as such an iconic time period is currently being revisited” says author Pez Jax “Therefore I decided to set about filling in that gap and producing a book of unique images and detailed historical overviews.”

This book explores the idea of Jackson’s early career being representative of a physical wall, with each defining moment being another brick that builds up to Jackson leaping Off the Wall and in to the stratosphere.

Split in to 5 chapters, the book also contains an Indepth contribution from Journalist Kate Allen.

Format: Paperback
Pages: 120 approx
ISBN: 978-0-9931780-2-3
Publisher: Sixteen 11 Media Group Ltd
Sold by: Sixteen 11 & King of Shop

http://sixteen11.com/product/off-the-wall-from-the-beginning-brick-by-brick/
 

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Dieter Wiesner's brand new book " Michael Jackson: The Real Story: An Intimate Look Into Michael's Visionary Business and Human Side " has been available for a few days in Kindle format Amazon France and on the Fnac website via the Kobo app.

Only in English and on 242 pages, this book by the former manager of Michael Jackson tells how two years after the death of the King of Pop, Dieter Wiesner spent time with Katherine Jackson who said to him then: You know, you were with him for a long time. You have to tell the story! You must tell my son's true story!

Dieter Wiesner explains in his book that Michael Jackson's mother helped him to realize that it was his duty and his responsibility to tell "the true story" of his friend. The author says that this book is the direct result of inspiration and encouragement from Michael's mother, Katherine Jackson.

If we have not read this book and therefore cannot give our opinion, know that its presentation explains that it contains many official documents as well as the transcription of more than fifteen unpublished voice messages that Michael Jackson had left on the author's phone. They are thus presented for the very first time following a legal battle won by Dieter Wiesner against the Estate.

https://translate.google.com/transl...ive=6410&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B086WV4KKR

https://www.fnac.com/livre-numerique/a14684827/Yusuf-Jah-Michael-Jackson-The-Real-Story

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B086WV4KKR...ive=6410&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B086WV4KKR
 

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New Book: "The Jackson Victory Collection"

Entitled The Jackson Victory Collection , this new reference work for fans of Michael Jackson and the Jacksons, co-written by two great Belgian fans of the Jackson family, brings together, on more than a hundred pages, the largest linked collectors to the last album gathering all the Jacksons brothers.

From different versions of the album, coming from all over the world, to the single through a selection of essential pieces of merchandising, this book lists all the releases of a prosperous period for fans of the Jacksons.

Japan, Mexico, Brazil, Zimbabwe ... no country escapes the listing established by the authors. Hundreds of references, all richly illustrated.

Just over 35 after the release of Victory, here is a book that will allow fans and collectors to make further discoveries in relation to this legendary album. This book, in deluxe edition and limited to 777 copies only, contains 105 pages, entirely devoted to Victory.

This guide is intended as an informative tool while being very practical for fans. In addition to the presentation pages of discs, cassettes, etc., the Jacksons Victory Collection offers you, at the end, a summary, in the form of a listing, of all the pressings. You will be able to check off those you have and see, in the blink of an eye, those you miss.

You can buy this book on Chronica.be website.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=chronica.be/victory/

chronica.be/victory/

 

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NatureCriminal7896;4284173 said:
While we are all started to be at home around the world due to the Coronavirus COVID-19, we have now got plenty time on our hand and at MJVibe, we will try to keep your mind busy but also trying to keep as positive as possible.

Here our first &#8220;Book Flip&#8221; video. Of course this is the book from our dear Pez Jax and his book &#8220;Off The Wall &#8211; From the Beginning, brick by brick&#8221;.

So enjoy:

[video=youtube;x1soKBvIPik]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1soKBvIPik&feature=emb_title[/video]

Off the Wall &#8211; From the Beginning, Brick by Brick takes you on a visual journey through the career of Michael Jackson, from his debut appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show up to and including the release of his adult debut, Off the Wall. Accompanying over 80 images are a series of historical overviews that explore Jackson&#8217;s growth from being a part of the Motown machine to shaping, creating and dancing his way to become a solo superstar with an album that redefined the music industry.

&#8220;As Michael was such a visual artist, I wanted to see more as such an iconic time period is currently being revisited&#8221; says author Pez Jax &#8220;Therefore I decided to set about filling in that gap and producing a book of unique images and detailed historical overviews.&#8221;

This book explores the idea of Jackson&#8217;s early career being representative of a physical wall, with each defining moment being another brick that builds up to Jackson leaping Off the Wall and in to the stratosphere.

Split in to 5 chapters, the book also contains an Indepth contribution from Journalist Kate Allen.

Format: Paperback
Pages: 120 approx
ISBN: 978-0-9931780-2-3
Publisher: Sixteen 11 Media Group Ltd
Sold by: Sixteen 11 & King of Shop

http://sixteen11.com/product/off-the-wall-from-the-beginning-brick-by-brick/


This looks like a lovely book. As Pez Jax is a very positive MEGA FAN, I'm sure it would be a great one for fans to add to their collections. It doesn't seem as though it's much different to so many other books out there, in terms of content....even though it is nicely presented - large, bright, glossy, colourful, etc.
 

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Re: New Book: "The Jackson Victory Collection"

Entitled The Jackson Victory Collection , this new reference work for fans of Michael Jackson and the Jacksons, co-written by two great Belgian fans of the Jackson family, brings together, on more than a hundred pages, the largest linked collectors to the last album gathering all the Jacksons brothers.

From different versions of the album, coming from all over the world, to the single through a selection of essential pieces of merchandising, this book lists all the releases of a prosperous period for fans of the Jacksons.

Japan, Mexico, Brazil, Zimbabwe ... no country escapes the listing established by the authors. Hundreds of references, all richly illustrated.

Just over 35 after the release of Victory, here is a book that will allow fans and collectors to make further discoveries in relation to this legendary album. This book, in deluxe edition and limited to 777 copies only, contains 105 pages, entirely devoted to Victory.

This guide is intended as an informative tool while being very practical for fans. In addition to the presentation pages of discs, cassettes, etc., the Jacksons Victory Collection offers you, at the end, a summary, in the form of a listing, of all the pressings. You will be able to check off those you have and see, in the blink of an eye, those you miss.

You can buy this book on Chronica.be website.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=chronica.be/victory/

chronica.be/victory/



This is a kind of catalogue, for collectors of the Victory Album. Intriguing.

I wonder if there are catalogues like this for Michael's solo albums?
 

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Re: New Book: "The Jackson Victory Collection"

This is a kind of catalogue, for collectors of the Victory Album. Intriguing.

I wonder if there are catalogues like this for Michael's solo albums?

The only ones i know is theses http://sixteen11.com/. and they all out of stock. you're right we need more stuff like this. off the wall era and jackson 5 too as well.
 

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NatureCriminal7896;4286550 said:
Dieter Wiesner's brand new book " Michael Jackson: The Real Story: An Intimate Look Into Michael's Visionary Business and Human Side " has been available for a few days in Kindle format Amazon France and on the Fnac website via the Kobo app.

Only in English and on 242 pages, this book by the former manager of Michael Jackson tells how two years after the death of the King of Pop, Dieter Wiesner spent time with Katherine Jackson who said to him then: You know, you were with him for a long time. You have to tell the story! You must tell my son's true story!

Dieter Wiesner explains in his book that Michael Jackson's mother helped him to realize that it was his duty and his responsibility to tell "the true story" of his friend. The author says that this book is the direct result of inspiration and encouragement from Michael's mother, Katherine Jackson.

If we have not read this book and therefore cannot give our opinion, know that its presentation explains that it contains many official documents as well as the transcription of more than fifteen unpublished voice messages that Michael Jackson had left on the author's phone. They are thus presented for the very first time following a legal battle won by Dieter Wiesner against the Estate.

https://translate.google.com/transl...ive=6410&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B086WV4KKR

https://www.fnac.com/livre-numerique/a14684827/Yusuf-Jah-Michael-Jackson-The-Real-Story

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B086WV4KKR...ive=6410&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B086WV4KKR

this book is now available in physical version but always only in English.

It contains 290 pages and its dimensions are 15.2 cm x 22.9 cm.
You can find it on Amazon France, where at Amazon England.
 

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Today is World Book Day. A great opportunity to post something about MJ&#8217;s love for books to your social media channels, or to recommend a book about MJ to your followers. :)

Use the hashtag #WorldBookDay.
 
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“I love to read. I wish I could advise more people to read. There’s a whole new world in books. If you can’t afford to travel, you travel mentally through reading. You can see anything and go any place you want to in reading.” -Michael Jackson
 

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A YouTube page for books from the Jackson Collector Books Series collection

The Jackson Collector Books Series, whose latest book is devoted to collectors of the Victory period, has opened a new YouTube page.

Aimed at collectors but also fans of Michael Jackson and the Jackson family, this Page YouTube now allows to see in video some collectors that appear in the books released in this series.

Four videos are now available. The first video is a presentation of the book "The Jacksons Victory Collection".

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-hE521mDdrYrDKhNO59IYA/featured
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Really pleased to announce my new book, &#39;The Story of HIStory&#39; will be released on 16th June 2020 in paperback. More details coming this week. &#55357;&#56846;&#55357;&#56908;&#55356;&#57340; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/History25?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#History25</a> <a href="https://t.co/Dg3GuK3ct3">pic.twitter.com/Dg3GuK3ct3</a></p>&mdash; Pez Jax (@Pezjax) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pezjax/status/1260520672461234176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It covers the creation of the album: cover, naming, marketing, track by track recording sessions &amp; creation, historical context, short film creation, onset, single releases, charts, cultural impact, legacy. I&#39;ve had some great support from former MJ collaborators in all areas &#55357;&#56898;</p>&mdash; Pez Jax (@Pezjax) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pezjax/status/1260587356408643584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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[FONT=&amp]Who is this person?


https://www.amazon.com/Supervising-.../ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=



Supervising Neverland: The Untold Stories Paperback &#8211; February 24, 2020



by Dwayne Swingler

This book is about my time and events with Michael Jackson. It details the crazy way we met and how I quickly became his supervisor and why. It gives the reader a view through my lens-the ups and downs with me in his trial and dealing with his dad and his manager, the offers I presented to him, the movie that almost was, the truth I learned about Michael and Joe Jackson's relationship, my supernatural experience at Neverland, my conversation with Michael about Eminem, and of course, the child molestation accusations. As the author, I literally strived to make you feel like a fly on the wall, just watching the whole story unfold. This book is packed with many untold stories. It's truly a must-read!



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Sixteen11 Media Group Ltd just announced a re-edition of “The Ultimate Collector Book: HIStory, Volume V” which came out first in 2015 and produced by Fabrice Ancellet (aka, Hector Barjot) and Sebastian Mille.

This new edition – The 25th Anniversary Edition” will have over 200 more categorised items from the HIStory era, a brand new cover and a new preface from Rob Hoffman, one of the Studio Engineer who worked on the famous album… 25 years ago!

The new edition will be on pre-sale starting June 16, 2020 to celebrate the 25th Anniversary of Michael Jackson’s HIStory.

More information coming soon.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">HIStory Ultimate Collectors Book will be available June 16th 2020 - check <a href="https://twitter.com/Mjvibe?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mjvibe</a> for details <a href="https://t.co/7LGoeV9Iwd">https://t.co/7LGoeV9Iwd</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/History25?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#History25</a> - <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/1Billion4MJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#1Billion4MJ</a> <a href="https://t.co/za3DIEESWC">pic.twitter.com/za3DIEESWC</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject #1Billion4MJ (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1262474286817673216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Who is this person?




Supervising Neverland: The Untold Stories Paperback &#8211; February 24, 2020



by Dwayne Swingler

Dwayne Swingler has a Facebook page, where he is connecting with MJ fans and promoting his book. It seems as though it's a positive book about Neverland.

This is what he has written on FB:

Hello MJ fans. I hope everyone is staying safe. This is Dwayne Swingler and like I mentioned before I use to be the Supervisor of Neverland for Michael Jackson back in 2003. I recently wrote a book about my experience there called &#8220;Supervising Neverland The Untold Stories.&#8221; The book is doing very well and I am getting wonderful feed back. Being a Michael Jackson fan myself I wanted to share with you all the type of stories that are in this book.

I remember walking into my office which was located near the backdoor of the main house at Neverland. I was rushing because the phone was ringing and I wanted to answer it before they hung up or it went to voicemail. I grab the phone in the middle of a ring. It one of the guards at the front gate. I said this is the supervisor what&#8217;s going on? He told me that there was a lady and her sick son at the front gate they wanted to see Michael. I said what do you mean sick? He then put the lady on the phone and she began to explain to me that they had traveled from over seas and that her son was dying from cancer and that his only wish was to meet Michael Jackson, so she traveled to the USA to try and make the impossible, possible. I was stung and overwhelmed by this request. With my heart filled with love and sadness I walked to Michael and told him the situation. Without hesitation he told me to allow them in and to feed them and let them see a movie or the animals and that he would stop by at some point before they leave to meet him. I couldn&#8217;t believe Michael&#8217;s generosity. The kid met Michael and had the time of his life! Also Michael did this with no cameras around for promotional shots. It was truly an unbelievable moment.



https://www.facebook.com/untoldneverland/
 

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Hey, Book Club. What&#8217;s everybody reading these days? :)

I finally picked up Jermaine&#8217;s book, and only a few pages in, I already have two questions I&#8217;d love to hear your opinions on.

Number one: One of Jermaine&#8217;s explanations for MJ&#8217;s habit to wear masks is that the whole family was brought up with a strong awareness of germs to the point where MJ was worried about using other people&#8217;s pens to sign autographs. And this is something I hear a lot from people around me and I heard it on news reports and everywhere: MJ was a germaphobe. But how does that add up with him visiting hospitals in Manila and orphanages in Romania without his mask? Hugging people, shaking hands, etc. And he also kept asking people for a pen because the didn&#8217;t bring one. In all the hundreds of hours of video footage that we have by now, I never saw a moment where MJ made the impression of being a germaphobe. Quite the contrary, actually. So, I was surprised to see Jermaine bringing this up as one of the reasons.

Number two: I was also surprised to see Jermaine refer to MJ as the &#8220;7th child&#8220;. Now, I hope I&#8217;m not displaying some kind of cultural ignorance with this question, and if I do, I apologize, but wouldn&#8217;t MJ only be the 7th child if you don&#8217;t count Brandon in? It appears unusual to me to not count a child in just because he didn&#8217;t get to live.

What do you think? I know it must have been a while for all of you since you read that book, so these are probably newbie questions for you. :D

Other than that, it&#8217;s great to read Jermaine&#8217;s childhood memories so far, and I&#8217;m looking forward to reading how everything unfolded, from his perspective.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson&#39;s Book Collection. Selected titles that MJ owned throughout his life. He cited many of these books as his all time favorites. &#55357;&#56536; A thread: <a href="https://t.co/WEi9ZnSXUZ">pic.twitter.com/WEi9ZnSXUZ</a></p>&mdash; MJ Rock Forever On (@MJRock4everOn) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJRock4everOn/status/1263355458284326914?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson's Book Collection. Selected titles that MJ owned throughout his life. He cited many of these books as his all time favorites. &#65533;&#65533; A thread: <a href="https://t.co/WEi9ZnSXUZ">pic.twitter.com/WEi9ZnSXUZ</a></p>&#8212; MJ Rock Forever On (@MJRock4everOn) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJRock4everOn/status/1263355458284326914?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I love the giving tree. such a sweet and cute story. ^_^ i may checkout some of these other books here in the future. thank you MJ Rock Forever On.
 

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ScreenOrigami;4290879 said:
Hey, Book Club. What&#8217;s everybody reading these days? :)

I finally picked up Jermaine&#8217;s book, and only a few pages in, I already have two questions I&#8217;d love to hear your opinions on.

Number one: One of Jermaine&#8217;s explanations for MJ&#8217;s habit to wear masks is that the whole family was brought up with a strong awareness of germs to the point where MJ was worried about using other people&#8217;s pens to sign autographs. And this is something I hear a lot from people around me and I heard it on news reports and everywhere: MJ was a germaphobe. But how does that add up with him visiting hospitals in Manila and orphanages in Romania without his mask? Hugging people, shaking hands, etc. And he also kept asking people for a pen because the didn&#8217;t bring one. In all the hundreds of hours of video footage that we have by now, I never saw a moment where MJ made the impression of being a germaphobe. Quite the contrary, actually. So, I was surprised to see Jermaine bringing this up as one of the reasons.

Number two: I was also surprised to see Jermaine refer to MJ as the &#8220;7th child&#8220;. Now, I hope I&#8217;m not displaying some kind of cultural ignorance with this question, and if I do, I apologize, but wouldn&#8217;t MJ only be the 7th child if you don&#8217;t count Brandon in? It appears unusual to me to not count a child in just because he didn&#8217;t get to live.

What do you think? I know it must have been a while for all of you since you read that book, so these are probably newbie questions for you. :D

Other than that, it&#8217;s great to read Jermaine&#8217;s childhood memories so far, and I&#8217;m looking forward to reading how everything unfolded, from his perspective.

I haven't read Jermaine's book, but I don't trust him one bit. I haven't trusted him since he wrote Word to the Badd. What's more, I don't think he really knew Michael very well at all and the germaphobe claim is rubbish, as far as I'm concerned. There is plenty of evidence to show that Michael was unconcerned about germs, throughout his entire life.

Michael IS the 7th child; Brandon was still-born, so I wouldn't expect him to be counted as a sibling at all.
Katherine and Joe Jackson always only ever said they had nine children - not ten, with one deceased.
 

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Mikky Dee;4291096 said:
I haven't read Jermaine's book, but I don't trust him one bit. I haven't trusted him since he wrote Word to the Badd. What's more, I don't think he really knew Michael very well at all and the germaphobe claim is rubbish, as far as I'm concerned. There is plenty of evidence to show that Michael was unconcerned about germs, throughout his entire life.

Right, the germaphobe claim sounded really unlikely to me, and it&#8217;s sad that he&#8217;s supporting that tabloid story. In the book, he mentions that he himself is a germaphobe, so maybe he&#8217;s projecting this onto his brother. Whenever I read autobiographies, I&#8217;m always amazed at how vividly everyone seems to remember all the details. I&#8217;m tempted to believe they all fill in the blanks in ways that best complete their stories. So, I&#8217;m taking everything with a grain of salt anyway. :D

Mikky Dee;4291096 said:
Michael IS the 7th child; Brandon was still-born, so I wouldn't expect him to be counted as a sibling at all.
Katherine and Joe Jackson always only ever said they had nine children - not ten, with one deceased.

Oh, ok. I guess that&#8217;s a cultural difference then, since he already had a name. I found it confusing, as Jermaine in the same chapter mentions how Marlon talked about Brandon at Michael&#8217;s memorial service and that twins never lose their connection. That didn&#8217;t seem to fit the 7th child narrative, but maybe I&#8217;m just looking at everything through the magnifying glass too much. Thanks for your input. :)
 

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Michael was kind of ocd when it came to somethings. (not saying he had it or not) but he wasn't a germaphobe. he use to keep his home clean until the fake lies came out also he was a pack rat. when he died there was so many things in his home. some stuff wasn't his and guests left it there.

so no he wasn't. but he was indeed an perfectionist.

the thing about the baby. I think that different between people beliefs.
 
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