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MJ Estate Sues Howard Mann and business partner Henry Vaccaro - Settlement reached

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : June 14, 2011

ivy said:
He's an investigator hired by Henry Vaccaro to find and seize Jackson family assets in the bankruptcy case. Vaccaro promised to give him 14% of any and all things of value but he didn't. When Estate sued Mann, Coonis tried to file an intervention in the case saying that Vaccaro assets are now owned by Mann and they are supposed to get 14% of it. Think of it as a move to get some of the assets or get money.

Judge denied this request saying that
1) the Estate - Mann lawsuit is mainly about intellectual property (image, likeliness, copyright, trademark) and not real property
2) MJ was not a party in the bankruptcy case so his assets cannot be a part of the lien (removes Estate's responsibility to pay) and
3) this was between Coonis and Vaccaro and that Coonis can sue Vaccaro if he wants to get his 14%.
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Oh ok thanks for explaining that ivy
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : June 14, 2011

Rhilo said:
Ivy, I'm a little lost here. Is there anyway that the Estate could get back Michael's assets from Mann?
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on principal I think they can, as the bankruptcy has never included Michael. However I'm not sure whether or not deadlines passed or if who owns the assets (such as if Michael gifted them to be used in a family restaurant hence not his anymore etc) comes into play.

as of now Estate is only going after intellectual property and profits done using Michael's name/image/likeliness. They have filed documents showing that MJ wasn't a part of the bankruptcy. We will see if after the investigative time if they make a move for the stuff or not.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : June 14, 2011

Thank you Ivy.

I really hope the estate win on this one.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : June 14, 2011

Memefan said:
But the estate isn't asking for real property back. It's all about Mann's use of MJ's trademark to sell his property.

I like this judge already.
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I am sure at some point the Estate will amend the suit or file a new one to get back the real property.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : June 14, 2011

judge determined the schedule dates for this trial

FACT DISCOVERY CUT-OFF 03-09-12
EXPERT DISCOVERY CUT-OFF 05-14-12
LAST DAY TO FILE MOTIONS 06-15-12
FINAL PRE TRIAL CONFERENCE 08-27-12 at 11:00 a.m.
7 DAY JURY TRIAL 09-04-12 at 9:00 a.m.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : June 14, 2011

Thanks Ivy so this trial is way at the end of next year. By then, hopefully, we will be done with the murder trial, but when is the AEG case coming up?
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : June 14, 2011

Aeg next summer i think or later
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : June 14, 2011

Next year will be another tough and busy year for the estate lawyers. They have to spend as much time or more keeping the thieves away as than they have to spend on generating profitable ideas for the estate.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

Do you wonder where is Howard Mann? Apparently he's starting a new company called MixMine with George Clinton
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

^^Sort of reminds you of a termite--it takes a lot to get rid of them. Also see bedbugs, roaches, lice--they are hard to get rid of too.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

^^^^ Yes it's the poop they leave behind.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : June 14, 2011

ivy said:
judge determined the schedule dates for this trial

FACT DISCOVERY CUT-OFF 03-09-12
EXPERT DISCOVERY CUT-OFF 05-14-12
LAST DAY TO FILE MOTIONS 06-15-12
FINAL PRE TRIAL CONFERENCE 08-27-12 at 11:00 a.m.
7 DAY JURY TRIAL 09-04-12 at 9:00 a.m.
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Looks like Mr. Mann will not have enough money to invest in his new venture with George Clinton. It "looks" like a lot of his money will be used to pay lawyer fees. LOL! There's a whole heap of legal dates coming up.

I wonder if Katherine Jackson is still receiving that "monthly fee" Mann promised her?
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

Breaking News :)

MJ Estate has filed a joint stipulation asking to add Vintage Associates - Henry Vaccaro - as a defendant to Mann lawsuit.

They state that during the discovery they found out that the memorabilia inventory (pictures, songs, clothing etc) is actually owned by Vaccaro's company Vintage Associates and Mann uses the items under a license. They also say that Vaccaro has signed a verification as President of Vintage Pop

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Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

Goody good. thanks ivy. will they go after henry to get mjs stuff back aswell?
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

Thanks very much Ivy for your updates in various cases, you definitely deserve :thanks_sign:


Thumbs up for estate that they sort out these crooks :sarmoti
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

Obviously you can`t buy anything on his website, mabye since a year.

http://www.jacksonsecretvault.com/?page=headlines_item&contentId=AsseenonTV


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Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

^^^^Also the news feed hasn't been updated since the false statement that the estate settled with HTWF - That must have been some fall out.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

have mercy on Mann's soul he's a renowed porn producer and Katherine's bff.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

LastTear said:
^^^^Also the news feed hasn't been updated since the false statement that the estate settled with HTWF - That must have been some fall out.
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That's MAD FUNNY!

Howard Mann "thought" he had hit the mother-lode, when he signed up with "Mother." Since that venture was not profitable, I'm sure that Mrs. Jackson has kicked his behind to the curb and just moved on to the next quick money making scheme.

Thing is, Mann laid out a lot of money "trying" to win Melissa Johnson's MJ related trademarks, all for nought. Now I wonder IF and/or WHEN he will crawl back out of his hole in order to get some of that money back from Mrs. Jackson.

I just don't see him going quietly.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

MJ Estate is asking for a Partial Summary Judgement in Mann trial

Estate is asking the court to determine that (main and summarized points)

1. Mann / Vaccaro do not own Michael's intellectual property because Michael was not a part of the Jackson's bankruptcy and the bankruptcy only consisted of physical items and not intellectual property. (The list of the items include intellectual property for some old Janet Jackson, Jermaine and Tito songs. There's no mention of intellectual property of Michael in any documents)

2. 2004 MJ -Vaccaro lawsuit is different than the current lawsuit. (Mann also argues that 2004 MJ- Vaccaro lawsuit protects them but Estate says the current lawsuit only includes events happened on or after 2009 and therefore a totally different lawsuit. Furthermore as that lawsuit was never tried, it can't be used as an immunity.)

3. 2004 MJ Vaccaro lawsuit wasn't tried in court.

4. Mann / Jacksonsecretvault is not a service provider and did not have a copyright infringement policy. (Estate says Mann's defense of they are service provider and the users posted the content is not true as they are the ones that posted the items on their pages such as Opis None / Destiny remix and TII pose. )

5. It's undisputed that Mann used the copyrighted items owned by MJ Estate such as TII, Smooth Criminal Lean and Thriller 25 on his website. (Mann admitted to it)

6. Domain names are a bad faith intent to profit from Michael's name. (as they include Michael and/or Jackson)

7. Mann used Michael's likeliness on their logo. (Smooth Criminal lean, Mann admitted that it was designed to look like Michael)

8. Regardless of any physical items they might own, Mann/Vaccaro does not have rights to Michael's intellectual property as well as right of publicity. (all of these are controlled by MJ Estate and Mann didn't ask for Estate's permission)

9. Get Mann to give accounting to MJ Estate

10. Issue permanent injunction

11. Refuse some of the claims of Mann such as statue of limitations has passed

12. Declaratory judgment that Defendants do not own anything belonging to Jackson, including any
intellectual property embodied on or within the Subject Property.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

Thanks ivy
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

Good, and we said this before that Michael's property was not part of the judgment that involved the other Jackson members. I do not understand why Mann cannot understand this point.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

Thanks Ivy
Seems like the Esate have a good case. Looks like they shot down any defense Mann had or could have.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

The Estate has a great case because Mann is an IDIOT!!
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Howard Mann and business partner Henry Vaccaro

What a crook! I still cannot believe Katherine in doing any sort of business with this despicable creature.
So they think they can use Smooth Criminal The Lean as logo because Michael stole it from Fred Astaire!
I hope when Branca & Co are finished with him/them, we will never hear them again:evil:



Ivy, you mentioned that Mann is in dept to Vintage $550,000.
I wonder where he was going to get money to buy Michael's art collection?
 
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Re: MJ Estate Sues Howard Mann and business partner Henry Vaccaro

Bubs said:
Ivy, you mentioned that Mann is in dept to Vintage $550,000.
I wonder where he was going to get money to buy Michael's art collection?
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I'm not sure if he has the money or not. It's just that he stopped paying Vaccaro. It might be due to the fact that he's being sued and he ceased many of the business actions - at least in the USA.
 
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