MJ Estate Sues Howard Mann and business partner Henry Vaccaro - Settlement reached

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Some tidbits

My tweets about Mann deposition

(showing Mann Vintage Pop logo with Smooth criminal lean) Q = Do you know who that person is? Mann: It's Michael Jackson

(Mann's lawyer argues whether it's a photo,image or design) Q= regardless of what it is, do you recognize it's the silhouette of a person ?

Mann: Yes Q= Do you know who? Mann = I know who it intended to look like. Q = Who is that? Mann = Michael Jackson

Mann then argues it's not the smooth criminal lean because it's a drawing and the lean is at a different angle - arranged to fit their logo

Mann's lawyer Durst = "and we all know that Michael stole it from Fred Astaire".

Zia Modabber : "Do you think, do you think that's Michael Jackson?" Mann: "Do I think? I KNOW it's Michael Jackson.


Priceless moment in March 2012 deposition of Mann when the Thriller notes Mann being sued for is still on their website.

:) Mann:How do you have all of these paperwork? Mann's lawyer:We gave them thousands of pages Mann:He knows more about my business than I do

An inventory listing from Vaccaro. Pay attention to the descriptions.

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Is it me but isnt mann proving the estates argument by saying yes the leaning image is of mj and reminds him of mj and is supposed to be mj! hes not even trying to denie it! .his lawyers argument is about as ridiculous as it gets. nice to see katherine does business with ppl who have no issues attacking her "beloved" son
 
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What kind of descriptions are those in that inventory? I don't like the way it sounds.
 
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What do u mean what kind of discriptions are they?
 
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I don't know just seeing those 4 items and the paragraphs about it comes across weird and the last one saying Michael not wanting the world to see this picture of him and a young boy. It's just a picture. It's just weird to me like someone is trying to imply something about Michael. I think that's what it is.
 
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i hope the estate wins this case
 
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I don't know just seeing those 4 items and the paragraphs about it comes across weird and the last one saying Michael not wanting the world to see this picture of him and a young boy. It's just a picture. It's just weird to me like someone is trying to imply something about Michael. I think that's what it is.

thats exactly what they were trying to do. hence those four things they mentioned.trying to embarass the estate/mj
 
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I agree that the estate has strong case against those crooks.

Finally finished reading both Mann's deposition and summary judgement.
Mann''s deposition was fun to read, he himself put his head on the platter for the estate lawyers.
I wonder has he already resigned that they cannot win the case, as he was really eager to show that they tried to use MJ image for selling stuff.

Where was the inventory list from Vaccaro, I didn't see it?

Hard to believe that if Joe had paid him $1000 thousand, this whole thing could have been avoided:no:
From Vaccaro:
"I must tell you this, that by 1993 I was so broke that at the deposition of Joe Jackson I offered to settle my $1.4 million dollar judgment for a quick payment of $100 thousand dollars. The family lawyer say's "I'm here to make sure that you get nothing". That attitude is what kept me going..."

In case somebody haven't read Leslie's interview with Vaccaro, here is the link to it:
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.ie/2011/02/interview-with-henry-vaccaro.html
 
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From Vaccaro:
"I must tell you this, that by 1993 I was so broke that at the deposition of Joe Jackson I offered to settle my $1.4 million dollar judgment for a quick payment of $100 thousand dollars. The family lawyer say's "I'm here to make sure that you get nothing". That attitude is what kept me going..."

What a evil sly grrrrrrrrrrr :rant: so he still has sour grapes over something that happened years ago pfttt, seriously vaccaro GET OVER IT!
 
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An inventory listing from Vaccaro. Pay attention to the descriptions.

That inventory desc is just disgusting. Ivy - do we know what auction this was from, an auction before june 09? I thought juliens making money out of that carolwood house where mj died was bad, but to make money out of this stuff was sick.

i remember when mrs j went into business with mann she said she was really grateful to him for taking out of vaccarro's collection a potentially embarrassing item which wd have been damaging to mj. Completely missing the point that by saying this, meant the haters' rumour mill went into overdirve - talk about an owngoal. Wonder if it was this photo of mj and a boy dressed as outlaws that 'mj didn't want the world to see' - really sounds totally incriminating smh.
 
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That inventory desc is just disgusting. Ivy - do we know what auction this was from, an auction before june 09? I thought juliens making money out of that carolwood house where mj died was bad, but to make money out of this stuff was sick.

i remember when mrs j went into business with mann she said she was really grateful to him for taking out of vaccarro's collection a potentially embarrassing item which wd have been damaging to mj. Completely missing the point that by saying this, meant the haters' rumour mill went into overdirve - talk about an owngoal. Wonder if it was this photo of mj and a boy dressed as outlaws that 'mj didn't want the world to see' - really sounds totally incriminating smh.

That is exactly what I was wondering.

Also, who wrote that description of the inventory?
 
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Thats prob how kj justifies to herself going into business with mann. throw mj under the bus again by making such comments like hes doing her and mj a favour
 
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i remember when mrs j went into business with mann she said she was really grateful to him for taking out of vaccarro's collection a potentially embarrassing item which wd have been damaging to mj. .

Obviously even Tom Snedon hasn`t seen a damaging potential for MJ. If so he had used it on trial.
 
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@elusive, I seem to remember that here in the UK there was a newspaper interview with either Mann or Vaccarro where items are talked about (not described) as being embarrassing. Does that ring any bells or am I dreaming. It was a long time ago.
 
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Some of the items show exactly what the estate is saying--that they have Michael's personal items which were not subject to the terms of the judgment that involved the other Jacksons. They should have no Michael products at all. Notice they try to sell Michael products while creating a negative message about Michael in the descriptions. What wonderful people.
 
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I thought Michael had his stuff taken away from that storage so how could there be anything embarrassing for him?
Wonder if he was talking about bleaching agent? Everybody knows that so it's nothing. Drawings of little boys? There is a lot of those in airport hangar, so it's nothing too.
Justice for some contacted on Vaccaro last year and Vaccaro said this to her:
, "I thank you, I also want you to know that there was nothing in any warehouse linking Michael to any little boys."
http://mjandjustice4some.blogspot.ie/2011/09/vaccaro-nothing-in-storage-that.html

Diane Demon found Calvin Klein undies while interviewing Vaccaro!
She must have got all hot and bothered:)
I wonder how they concluded that they belonged to MJ?
 
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He was talking about benoquin. same as what was said in the trial. medical treatment for the vitiligo.
 
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Thats prob how kj justifies to herself going into business with mann. throw mj under the bus again by making such comments like hes doing her and mj a favour

I just dont understand how katherine sees mann as this "innocent angel" but to everyone else its clear as day who & what he really is. It really does feel like the only ones that care bout mj are his fans & his kids
 
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Let me answer as many questions as I can.

This latest update has came from a major filing of thousands of pages with the partial summary judgement. I only posted 2 documents - the main motion and Mann's partial deposition. The rest includes a lot of old lawsuits, a lot of contracts and so on.

If you remember during discovery phase Estate had learned that Vaccaro was still involved in these business attempts. Initially everyone thought Mann had bought everything from Vaccaro.

In his deposition Vaccaro says Mann approached to him saying that they can earn money and Mann has a deal brewing with Katherine Jackson. (Vaccaro was not involved in getting the deal with Katherine). Vaccaro agrees to the deal as he already went bankrupt and had a debt to IRS. Vaccaro says he had no intention of selling anything to Mann. The agreement is just an agreement that would allow Mann to use the assets in his projects. It's unclear for how much money as the depositions are partial but a $750,000 and $35,000 a month is mentioned. Vaccaro in his deposition says Mann owes him $550,000.

In an interesting note: Mann also got Joe and Katherine to sign some statements saying that Vaccaro is the owner of the assets and they give their support and endorsement to anything that'll be released by Vintage Pop including music masters. This is very similar to some other authorizations that we have seen from Joe and Katherine but as you know those rights are controlled by MJ Estate so Joe and Katherine cannot give any authorization.

Furthermore we learn that Katherine Jackson only gets 25% of the net profits from the book and all other assets. 75% of the profits go to Howard Mann and Henry Vaccaro.

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Mann and Vaccaro form a new company in September 2009 , Vintage Pop. Vaccaro owns 51% of the company, Mann 29% and the rest for the 3rd party investors. The agreement clearly says Vaccaro's company (vintage) will continue to be the sole owner of the items. The agreement gives Vintage Pop and Mann the right to produce, distribute, monetize and exploit the items. Mann also offers to pay $1,250,000 for the rights of Vaccaro's story.

The inventory listing is a listing given to Mann by Vaccaro when they were signing their agreement. I posted the first page to show the descriptions and how Vaccaro approached to these items. All of the items mentioned have become public years and years ago. Vaccaro has 456 physical items and all of the master recordings from the Jacksons variety show (231 tapes) including songs from the other acts, multiple takes and so on.

The ownership of physical items is kinda confusing. Estate is right in saying Michael wasn't a part of the bankruptcy and the bankruptcy judge ruled that his items is not a part of it and cannot be sold. However some items are believed to be collected by the family for a restaurant (so perhaps given away by Michael to his parents) and some owned by the parents (such as if Joe hired the photographer to take pictures of the Victory tour). In some instances Katherine and Joe claimed ownership of the physical items. In some instances Vaccaro argued that ownership must be by Joseph. Regardless the bankruptcy schedules only included intellectual property of some Janet, Tito and Jermaine recordings. No IP was mentioned for Michael.

Furthermore in 2002 when the items were first being sold across entities, Michael's lawyers went to the court saying that they didn't know if there were any personal items of Michael in storage but wanted to make sure that his rights and title was not affected by any sale. Judge agreed to this saying that Michael's rights still exists and he can make any claims to any new / future owners.

So Estate's point is that regardless of who the physical items belong to, they don't include Michael's intellectual rights. Michael always had and still is the owner of those.

Mann / Vaccaro unsuccessfully argued (in dismissal request) and still argues that the 2004 MJ- Vaccaro case gives them immunity. If you don't know Vaccaro had opened a pay per view website with the photographs (now used in Katherine's book) and Michael had sued him to get it closed down and asking $100 Million. Michael had won the temporary injunction and get the website shut down but did not follow through with the lawsuit (He never sat down for his deposition) and therefore the lawsuit was dismissed and the court had ruled Michael cannot sue Vaccaro for the same claims.

Estate successfully argued and won (during dismissal hearing) that the lawsuits are different. Everything mentioned in this current lawsuit has happened in 2009 or later , including items that didn't even exist in 2004. For example Mann posted TII picture on their website on 2010 and TII was released in 2009 - so this had nothing to do with the 2004 lawsuit. The same applies to every other thing as well - Vintage pop logo (2010), Katherine's book (2010), Lithograph event (2010) , posting of Thriller 25 ( 2010 and 2008 copyrighted item), Opis None (2010).

Estate is also arguing that the 2004 trial was not heard and therefore it didn't conclude a winner or a loser. In other words 2004 lawsuit did not in any way conclude Vaccaro owns the items , it just said that as Michael did not follow it through he can't bring up the same lawsuit again. Vaccaro / Mann acts like 2004 lawsuit established their rights / ownership , Estate disagrees with this claim.
 
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Hats off for the Estate! They are doing their job extremely well for fighting against these crooks.

"In an interesting note: Mann also got Joe and Katherine to sign some statements saying that Vaccaro is the owner of the assets and they give their support and endorsement to anything that'll be released by Vintage Pop including music masters. This is very similar to some other authorizations that we have seen from Joe and Katherine but as you know those rights are controlled by MJ Estate so Joe and Katherine cannot give any authorization."

That is no surprise that they signing papers left and right without reading/understanding what they sign!
Don't they have anyone there who could consult them what to sign and what not?
Thank God, they have no right to sign anything on behalf of MJ estate.

"Furthermore we learn that Katherine Jackson only gets 25% of the net profits from the book and all other assets. 75% of the profits go to Howard Mann and Henry Vaccaro."

Thats is bad!

"Mann and Vaccaro form a new company in September 2009 , Vintage Pop. Vaccaro owns 51% of the company, Mann 29% and the rest for the 3rd party investors. The agreement clearly says Vaccaro's company (vintage) will continue to be the sole owner of the items. The agreement gives Vintage Pop and Mann the right to produce, distribute, monetize and exploit the items. Mann also offers to pay $1,250,000 for the rights of Vaccaro's story."

September 2009. MJ died in June and few months later they have the whole thing worked out how to make money out of dead person:no: Scavengers.
 
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That is no surprise that they signing papers left and right without reading/understanding what they sign!
Don't they have anyone there who could consult them what to sign and what not?

Thats what i am totally confused bout cuz surely wouldnt they have lawyers who kinda like deal with that sort of stuff for them?
 
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Thats what i am totally confused bout cuz surely wouldnt they have lawyers who kinda like deal with that sort of stuff for them?

They probably did not want to pay a shady lawyer to share the profits. If Katherine only got 25%, it seems they did not want to spread that money around. I do not understand how Katherine could do all this campaigning for those ventures for such a small sum.
 
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Mj was buried in september and his parents were signing shady deals straight away. the desire for money when mj made sure katherine would have money is mindboggling but not surprising.

if the relationship with mann went sour i guess u could see mann sueing because kj and joe claimed to have the right to sign away permission to use things they didnt have a right to?
 
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Katherine didn't have a lawyer when she signed the deal with Mann. I guess that shows the result for a not so good deal. Honestly I was surprised to see an only 25% of the profit. Remember how some people wanted to show Mann as a savior for Katherine with providing her income. However IMO the 25 -75 profit split shows that Mann was a lot more interested in his pocket rather than "helping" Katherine.

BTW there's nothing to suggest that Katherine's partnership with Mann is over. Mann just stopped his activities in USA. I guess the outcome of this lawsuit will determine the future of their relationship / partnership.
 
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Don't they have anyone there who could consult them what to sign and what not?
Probably they didn't want to consult anyone, they just thought about the money. Remember 25% attached to Michael's name is lots of money.

September 2009. MJ died in June and few months later they have the whole thing worked out how to make money out of dead person:no: Scavengers.

Very sad and the most painful is that his parents were part of it.

Thank God, they have no right to sign anything on behalf of MJ estate.

You're right. Thank God & thank Michael for leaving such a detail instructions. He was so smart.
 
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Michael knew exactly what he was doing. He is protecting his children because if his family were running his estate there would be nothing left for them. It's sad to me that Michael is still expected to take care of the whole jackson family. It was never his job in the first place. There is nothing wrong helping your family but it not the whole time. It wasn't an appreciation but an expectation.

I hope the estate puts these people who try to cheat Michael and his children in their places once and for all.
 
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Katherine didn't have a lawyer when she signed the deal with Mann. I guess that shows the result for a not so good deal. Honestly I was surprised to see an only 25% of the profit. Remember how some people wanted to show Mann as a savior for Katherine with providing her income. However IMO the 25 -75 profit split shows that Mann was a lot more interested in his pocket rather than "helping" Katherine.



I agree. In my opinion, this deal she made with Mann is what has been the worst mess for her.
 
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They probably did not want to pay a shady lawyer to share the profits. If Katherine only got 25%, it seems they did not want to spread that money around. I do not understand how Katherine could do all this campaigning for those ventures for such a small sum.

But the funny thing is mann is as shady as they come and i just cant comprehend no one in the family waking up to his mischievous ways
 
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Greed will do that. they dont care if ppl are dodgy adlong as they can make money. oprah weisner etc etc
 
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I'm sure there are people in Jackson household capable to use Google.
A simple search would have made a difference.
 
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