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virginia_woolf said:
Really? They should call the mother of a 50 YEARS OLD MAN to discuss his health issues? I can't imagine jurors will take that seriously, it's just too ridiculous.
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she would have told them he was fine , considered it a very good opportunity to try to negotiate a deal for her extended family with them and asked to be paid UNDER THE TABLE to get him to rehearsals herself .
 
And what would Katherine do if AEG had of called her? Talked to Michael, then drop the subject?
 
LastTear said:
And what would Katherine do if AEG had of called her? Talked to Michael, then drop the subject?
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Judging by her history she would probably would have pressurized him further cause her other children needed him. This family is a real tragedy I have to admit. there is no emotional bond. it's always money the main subject. no wonder MJ got fed up. literally shopping for surrogate families in pursuit of real love. I would have done the exact same thing as MJ. there is no way you can keep your sanity in that kind of environment. Paris is the latest casualty. and according to the latest rumors she does not want to go back in that house. More power to her if true.
 
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No wonder Paris almost lost her mind living with her . If "perfection" is like that, imagine her cubs
 
Soundmind said:
No wonder Paris almost lost her mind living with her . If "perfection" is like that, imagine her cubs
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You know when she mentioned the part about not liking to hear bad news, and about how Michael looked upset during her visit to Neverland, so it seems they just "let it be." I thought of Paris and if her issues were dealt with in the same way, but that is another thread.

The thing is Katherine really got everything from Michael. He really took care of her, so I am wondering why Panish did not show in more detail all the things Michael bought for her or gave her, since Katherine has no bookkeeping. Also, if the IRS finds out she got X amount of money or gifts of more than a certain amount from Michael & she did not disclose it, they will want their money too. Sometimes after you finish a case, the IRS is knocking on your door.
 
MJnVA said:
And this is were the case starts falling apart...........
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Unfortunately , on MJ's expense , after all her lies being exposed, the media said she was forgetful to protect her son , AEG's lawyer did not blame her in his statement to the press , he blamed the victim MJ :



"As Katherine Jackson has now testified, she was in the dark about her son Michael Jackson's decades of drug use and 'closes her ears' whenever someone discloses anything negative about him," he said.

"She doesn't want anyone or anything to disturb her idealized memory of the child she lost," he said. "Who can blame her?"
 
Petrarose said:
The thing is Katherine really got everything from Michael. He really took care of her, so I am wondering why Panish did not show in more detail all the things Michael bought for her or gave her, since Katherine has no bookkeeping. Also, if the IRS finds out she got X amount of money or gifts of more than a certain amount from Michael & she did not disclose it, they will want their money too. Sometimes after you finish a case, the IRS is knocking on your door.
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Bingo. That could explain it i.e why they never had a trace of anything MJ gave. same with Joe. It's always about money being exchanged in bags. like drug dealers. you would think these people would have a bank account. this is the 21 st century. Hello??? not the age of the cave man.
 
No wonder they went like maniacs to his home searching for bags of cash once they heard he died .

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 26m
Putnam questioned whether the decision was made in consideration of the civil case. Mrs. Jackson said no. “I never gave it a thought.”
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Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 27m
Mrs. Jackson said, “I felt that his children needed it.”
She mentioned she knew Murray had 7 or 8 children.
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Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 27m
Going back to updates from the morning session. Putnam asked Mrs. Jackson about dropping the $100 million restitution claim against Murray.
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did not she say in her deposition that the reason she dropped the restitution was financial , now she never gave it a thought !
 
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I heard these djs on the radio this morning & they were talking about the Post article. The djs said two things that caught my attention, 1) that Michael siblings, with the exception of Janet, always lived off Michael and 2) this is sad, they said that Michael's siblings thought they won the lottery when Michael died. To me that sounds like a true statement, painful but true.

@Petra What vid are you referring to that Panish doesn't want people to see?

I haven't read Katherine's testimony yet but I just read the posts, how is it that hears her son is going to rehab & she doesn't call him to know if that's true? I think she did but she's saying she didn't know or didn't pay attention because she wants to have the jury believe she didn't know Michael had problems at that time. But no matter what, saying she didn't pay attention to it shows her as a careless mother, even if the child is an adult. Hope the jury notice she didn't pay attention to Michael's needs. Michael the one who she said paid for all her wants.

Wish when AEG closes they use or read some of Michael's words about his mother. That line that says something about loving her but not trusting her.
 
Soundmind said:
No wonder they went like maniacs to his home searching for bags of cash once they heard he died .



did not she say in her deposition that the reason she dropped the restitution was financial , now she never gave it a thought !
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Maybe they'll play the vid of her depo saying the reason was financial.
 
Ok, Grace has lupus (?).... BUT she is sick in bed? She is hospitalized? And because of this can not testify? :bugeyed Of course not! :nono: Nothing prevents that she is there. -_- It is so obvious and simple to understand: Grace does not want to testify! :blink: But I confess I'm curious to see her testifying. I hope it happens. :fear:

I'm still shaking my head over this trial. :sigh: I wish everything that's going on it was just a nightmare. But unfortunately it is not. :( Can not wait for it to end soon. *big sigh*









AliCat;3873123 said:
@Ashtanga I don't think Michael Jackson was afraid of Thome Thome, because of Thome Thome having $5 million, after Michael Jackson died, to buy a house for Michael Jackson. Because Thome Thome was a real estate agent, Michael kept him around. Michael just didn't care to have Thome Thome paying his bills. Case in point, the faux pas (false step) of paying $2 million to Julien's Auction House.

A collection of Michael Jackson's possessions from Neverland Ranch is safe from the auctioneer's gavel now that the pop singer and Julien's Auction House have reached a settlement to their dispute over whether 2,000 items were ever intended for sale.
Specific terms were not disclosed Tuesday. But, in short, Jackson keeps his things, while Julien's keeps its exhibition, which was open to the public and originally meant to promote next week's sale.
"There was so much interest from so many of Jackson's fans that instead of putting the items in the hands of private collectors, Dr. Tohme and Julien's Auction House have made arrangements that will allow the collection to be shared with and enjoyed by Jackson's fans for many years to come," read a joint statement from Jackson spokesman Dr. Tohme R. Tohme and auction organizer Darren Julien.
Jackson's production company, MJJ Productions, sued Julien in early March, seeking to halt the sale by arguing that Jackson hadn't authorized it. A judge blocked one effort by MJJ Productions to cancel it earlier this month, and another was scheduled to hear arguments Wednesday for an injunction.
"I believe both sides are pleased with the resolution," Julien said Tuesday by telephone.
Julien has said he spent $2 million organizing the sale, which another auctioneer estimated could have fetched $12 million after its April 22 start. The exhibition in Beverly Hills costs $20 to attend, and auction catalogues — a $50 single volume and $200, five-volume boxed set — were still selling, Julien said.
The statement also said MJJ Productions and Julien's Auction House would be making a "substantial" donation to MusiCares to benefit artists in need.
Julien said all of Jackson's possessions, which the auction house took directly from the Neverland Ranch property, would be returned to the pop singer. He would not say where they would be taken.
"It's been our hopes to resolve this in the beginning, when the lawsuit was filed," Julien said. "It was in our best interest to resolve it. We continue to have great respect for Michael Jackson. ... I guess you could call it the greatest auction that never happened."
The singer has struggled financially following his arrest in 2003 on charges that he molested a 13-year-old boy. A jury acquitted him of all charges.
Last year he faced foreclosure on Neverland, the 2,500-acre (1,012-hectare) property nestled in the hills of Santa Barbara County's wine country, 120 miles (193 kilometers) northwest of Los Angeles. He was bailed out by Colony Capital, and months later transferred the deed to Neverland to another entity he partially controls.
Jackson plans a series of concerts in London in July that he has said will be his last in the British capital.
Julien has been entrusted to preside over numerous auctions of famous memorabilia. Some recent celebrity sales have included items once belonging to Ozzy Osbourne, Bob Hope and rare behind-the-scenes footage of Marilyn Monroe and Clark Gable on the set of the film "The Misfits."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...everland-ranch-article-1.362923#ixzz2Zn0OBcZI

Next came Michael Kane, as Michael Jackson's Business Manager:

Jackson lawyers questioned Phillips about his e-mail exchanges with Michael Kane -- Jackson's business manager -- when Kane asked for an advance, which was provided for in Jackson's contract with AEG Live for his "This Is It" tour.
Phillips said he was concerned that because Jackson had missed so many rehearsals, the show would not be ready for its debut in London on July 13, 2009.
"This is why it is impossible to advance any $$$," Phillips wrote to Kane on June 20, 2009. "He may, unfortunately, be in an anticipatory breach at this point."
"And I thought it couldn't get worse," Kane replied.
"It could," Phillips said. "(Show director) Kenny Ortega could quit."
Phillips' testimony that he believed Jackson was contractually obligated to attend rehearsals contradicted AEG Live Co-CEO Paul Gongware's previous testimony that Jackson was not required to rehearse.
Phillips acknowledged that by June 20, 2009, he was worried the production would not be ready on time
Kane, in an e-mail to Phillips, offered to help motivate Jackson to get to rehearsals. "Would a financial coming to Jesus speech help or add to his pressure?" Kane asked.
"It would help," Phillips replied. "At this point, we need to break through. I'm going to call his doctor to discuss."
Later that day, Phillips and other AEG Live executives met with Murray and Jackson at the singer's home. The Jackson lawyers contend at that meeting they put Murray in charge of having Jackson at rehearsals.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/06/showbiz/jackson-death-trial

Because of the action's of Thome Thome, Michael Jackson was out $2 million and by June 20, 2009, Michael Jackson's Business Manager, Michael Kane, was asking Randy Phillips for another advance of $1 million!
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I know that. ;) I just remembered about this video of Michael talking about Tohme and so posted. :fear: I do not know whether Michael had or not was afraid of Tohme or anything else. But Michael said and not said in vain. That must mean something and proves that there was something going on behind the scenes that we probably will never know. *big sigh*
 
LastTear said:
And what would Katherine do if AEG had of called her? Talked to Michael, then drop the subject?
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interesting isn't it. It is not like any of these people ever challenged Michael or talked to him about important stuff, they either avoided it like the plague or dropped the subject when he got angry.
 
passy001 said:
Bingo. That could explain it i.e why they never had a trace of anything MJ gave. same with Joe. It's always about money being exchanged in bags. like drug dealers. you would think these people would have a bank account. this is the 21 st century. Hello??? not the age of the cave man.
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there's actually a reason for that. Segye Times judgment which became over $12 Million due to interest. Not only they declared bankrupt and had bad credit scores and cannot get credit cards, Segye Times also had liens on Katherine, Joe and Jermaine. It's a reason why they didn't maintain accounts in their names - because if they did Segye Times could have gotten the money.
 
I am confused she asked him in 07 or 08 if he had a problem and he said no. Either she did not believe him or she did not now she is acting like she did not believe him. And where did his brothers and sisters who never saw him get the idea that he was abusing pain killers? How about this maybe he was telling you the truth lady.
 
Is Katherine done on the stand? I don't know how an old lady can keep up with so many lies.
 
Soundmind said:
Unfortunately , on MJ's expense , after all her lies being exposed, the media said she was forgetful to protect her son , AEG's lawyer did not blame her in his statement to the press , he blamed the victim MJ :



"As Katherine Jackson has now testified, she was in the dark about her son Michael Jackson's decades of drug use and 'closes her ears' whenever someone discloses anything negative about him," he said.

"She doesn't want anyone or anything to disturb her idealized memory of the child she lost," he said. "Who can blame her?"
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^^I see Putnam as being diplomatic and clever there and I don't see him attacking Michael. He knows about Katherine. He is not going to make a statement to the press about Katherine and use the appropriate adjectives. Rather, he makes it seem as though "oh this mother just wants to see her son in a good light, bla bla bla." I think it is brilliant. This is what he is supposed to do. Otherwise the media and Panish will be blasting all over the place how Putnam had this to say about this woman and they will use race & her age to attack him. Notice that even though he made that comment, he did not cross-examine her as though that is what he BELIEVES. His cross is showing exactly what Katherine is about: She contradicts, she lies, she does not know about Michael's personal life, her mental agility shows she was influenced to file this case. He needed to show if she does not know either, how in the great blue sky does she expect AEG to know. Putnam did good today.
 
Rhilo said:
Is Katherine done on the stand? I don't know how an old lady can keep up with so many lies.
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Oh you had me laughing. That is the thing--she cannot!!!!!! That is the reason we have so many contradictions.

LMP sometimes I feel sorry for her too, but in this trial I did not. I feel she had several moments when she could have withdrawn: when she saw the information the defense was seeking, during her deposition, during the children's depositions. She allowed some of her children to make her do this, and sat most days in court listing to how her lawyer portrayed her son, and then blames Freak & Trell for the name calling. It seems she always look at the "others" to blame and not look at herself or group.

I feel sad for her that she feels she HAS to do this, as though it is her only choice. I do not feel sorry for her on the stand because she placed herself there and made that decision. After the 2nd time when AEG said NO to the settlement, she should have washed her hands from this case, and made a trip to the spa in Arizona.
 
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I understand your position Petrarose. Also not admire the Jackson family in many ways, with the exception of children of Michael, but I have the impression that Katherine is limited in many respects .
 
When reading about Katherine not asking MJ about problems he might have, it brought to mind an interview whereby Latoya talked about how things were when she returned home after escaping from her abusive husband. She had posed for Playboy and also accused MJ of molestation, but was explaining that this is how her family does things. They gloss over everything and never discuss things in detail or talk things out. In a way it sounded as though she was saying that they all just pretend that nothing happened when something goes wrong.
 
Oh they played her Oprah interview where she admits MJ is an addict right after she told the jury she doesn't think MJ was an addict. How embarrassing. But i knew all these interviews were going to come back and bite them on the @$$.

Soundmind said:
Unfortunately , on MJ's expense , after all her lies being exposed, the media said she was forgetful to protect her son , AEG's lawyer did not blame her in his statement to the press , he blamed the victim MJ :



"As Katherine Jackson has now testified, she was in the dark about her son Michael Jackson's decades of drug use and 'closes her ears' whenever someone discloses anything negative about him," he said.

"She doesn't want anyone or anything to disturb her idealized memory of the child she lost," he said. "Who can blame her?"
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He would look bad if he said anything negative about the "old grieving mother". Panish has been trying desperately to make him look like a bully, so i'm not surprised at this type of answer.
 
LMP Jackson said:
I understand your position Petrarose. Also not admire the Jackson family in many ways, with the exception of children of Michael, but I have the impression that Katherine is limited in many respects .
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Yes she is limited in many respects. Her thinking keeps her in that limited state, and because of that there will be a repetition of the same behaviors over and over and over again. Finally I threw up my hands in the air, and said enough is enough. If there were not several contradictions I would have a deeper concern, but the contradictions show me that she is not being truthful about the key issues, so I can't give her that sympathy.

You have to know if your son had to stop his major tour and why. You can't say he had problems sleeping since a child, then allow your attorney to state it began due to the drugs from the burn, then you go back and say he had problems sleeping since a child. You had to remember if you were at the Muarry trial. My mom is 86, and I just went to my aunt's 90th birthday in England this June. You remember the big emotional things like the trial even though you do not remember the little details. By the way my 90th old aunt is a Michael Jackson fan.

Serendipity I agree with you about the fact he would look bad.
 
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