Randall Sullivan's book "Untouchable"

[LastTear]

"I have to admit I'm kind of disappointed and surprised by t-mez's response. He may think the other things such as "bleaching skin" are unimportant, but they are important because when people believe Michael was a pedophile, they tend to believe the other lies as well. It does not do to focus on only one thing to defend Michael."

Just a thing, in the book Sullivan said MJ used the Porcelana cream before his vitiligo started. I read that about Porcelana

“Back in the early 90′s a doctor told me to try a product called Porcelana. It’s a skin lightening cream that helps fade scars from acne, pregnancy and sun damage. It’s also supposed to fade freckles and other dark spots. Back then, the product was pretty costly so I never bought it. I had always wondered if it would work for me but at that time in my life I just couldn’t justify the expense and so I just went without.”

http://www.bellasavvy.net/archives/9719

Randy Taraborrelli hints in his book that Michael using skin bleaching creams caused his vitiligo, maybe that's where RS is going on that on.

If you read Tmez latest statement deeply, you would think he's talking about Frank Cascio's book

Why so?

 

[MJTheKing]

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Why so?

As far as I can remember, this is how fans endorsed Frank Cascio's book when it came out, Frank maybe wasn't credible enough to write about Michael's love life or his addiction, but he definitely did a great job in terms of proving MJ's innocence, he's relevant to that subject.

Frank's book is waaaaaaay better than Sullivan's book.... there's no comparison at all.

 

[Memefan]

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As far as I can remember, this is how fans endorsed Frank Cascio's book when it came out, Frank maybe wasn't credible enough to write about Michael's love life or his addiction, but he definitely did a great job in terms of proving MJ's innocence, he's relevant to that subject.

Frank's book is waaaaaaay better than Sullivan's book.... there's no comparison at all.

They are both trash...different level of trash. But trash nonetheless.

 

[shelly_webster]

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The problem with Cascio's book is: it's full of mystakes. There is no trash in it.

 

[jamba]

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Bottom line is that what Sullivan is saying on interviews--Nightline, Couric, HuffPostLive--is the usual tabloid stuff revisted--nose, extravagant spending, mental issues, inability to have normal sexual relationships, and then to top it off, there's the 'shadow of a doubt' about was Michael a pedo--"I wish I could say with 100% certainty he wasn't."

How is this helping Michael's legacy? I think he did a Bashir snowjob on Mez--saying one thing to him and then printing something else (and repeating it on these talk shows).

Big Question: Who paid for Sullivan to write this book? Spending three years talking, traveling, interviewing??

 

[la_cienega]

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Bottom line is that what Sullivan is saying on interviews--Nightline, Couric, HuffPostLive--is the usual tabloid stuff revisted--nose, extravagant spending, mental issues, inability to have normal sexual relationships, and then to top it off, there's the 'shadow of a doubt' about was Michael a pedo--"I wish I could say with 100% certainty he wasn't."

How is this helping Michael's legacy? I think he did a Bashir snowjob on Mez--saying one thing to him and then printing something else (and repeating it on these talk shows).

Big Question: Who paid for Sullivan to write this book? Spending three years talking, traveling, interviewing??

I agree he was Bashired.

I've wondered about that too, did the publishing house really believe in this book that much?

 

[jamba]

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I agree he was Bashired.

I've wondered about that too, did the publishing house really believe in this book that much?

Must have been a big advance. I hope they're sorry now.

 

[Petrarose]

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Must have been a big advance. I hope they're sorry now.

I think he did not spend time interviewing. To me, it seems he sat at his computer and pulled out things from tabloids, then he pulled out some things from some books like JRT's. He maybe interviewed about 5 people including TMez. For the rest he got their stories from what they said before, e.g., Francia, Brown and cited them. To add his own mark, he made up the rest of the stories out of whole cloth. There was not much research here, only reading what was already written and copying and pasting it.

It seems 3 years is the magic number. First Randy took 3 years to plan and execute grannygate, and this great author here claims he took 3 years to read material, copy and paste it, and send it to a publisher. I would love to know how much money he got for this masterpiece. The big lesson here to publishers and trash writers is that lies and trash about Michael will not be bought or tolerated by his fans anymore (or at least most of them since some fans here are asking others to embrace this book). So welcome to dwindling profits publishers and quasi writers.

PS: here we have publishers and media believing the nonsense they claim. They claimed that trash about Michael sells, and then believed it. Opps, not so, as we witness the spiral descent of this latest attempt by Sullivan.

 

[Nathy MJ]

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Also I do wonder why doesn't T-Mez just write his own book on the 03 case/05 trial already? Why rely so much in others to do it for him? Like Jones and this fool Sullivan? I would buy a T-Mez book about Just the allegations. Yes, we have Jones book but, it's still also about what she saw and felt. I wanna know that too about T-Mez. Especially because he was the lead defense attorney and was with MJ through that whole time and would have much more info to share. Something Jones couldn't do since she only saw MJ in the court.

TMez said to NYpost that the reason he didn't write his own book is because, "publishers were not interested in why Michael Jackson was innocent." http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/jacko_vindication_thrills_lawyer_UpnXiP4wjuZvKTYSifr3DL

 

[bluetopez]

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^Well yea that is true, they rarely do. And I guess he wouldn't want to self publish either? But, I still hope one day he might?!

 

[marebear]

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I think people should have interviewed Spike Lee about the Bad25 documentary than this trash. I think the documentary will be a bigger success than this crappy book.

 

[8701girl]

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Randy Taraborrelli hints in his book that Michael using skin bleaching creams caused his vitiligo, maybe that's where RS is going on that on.
?

I dont think just using bleaching cream can seriously change someone's skin so drastically like michael's skin and vitiligo is a skin condition thats gradually spreads across the skin. Also its a medical thing and just skin bleaching is different

 

[morinen]

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The problem with Cascio's book is: it's full of mystakes. There is no trash in it.

But we have to remember that it's not a bio, it's a memoir. Historic accuracy is not expected from a memoir, because the author writes from their memory. I've seen fans meticulously going through it page by page trying to find discrepancies in dates and events in order to show that Frank's not credible. IMO it mostly is a result of some fans' inability to accept certain things about Michael - they subconsciously try to discredit the source that provides information contradicting their mental image of MJ. But in books like MFM factual accuracy is not that important. The first hand perspective and inside understanding of things are more valuable, and Frank does a great job of humanizing Michael. Far better than Sullivan could ever hope to.

 

[8701girl]

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Abut randall writing bout lisa & mj's sexual relationship .. im getting the feeling randall is jealous of lisa lol

 

[Petrarose]

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Abut randall writing bout lisa & mj's sexual relationship .. im getting the feeling randall is jealous of lisa lol

I believe so too. I think these men who spend so much time pondering and explaining what Michael does with that thing in his pants are really interested in him sexually--like Halprine, Sullivan, and VG. If we keep telling Sullivan that over and over, it may offend his macho sensibilities and make him shut up. In fact anytime he gives an interview about it, someone should say, I think you are sexually attracted to Michael.

 

[Victory22]

I'm sure others have already said this but my position is that Sullivan’s gossip does very little to prove Michael was not a pedophile. Sullivan states in his book he doesn't think he was but cannot be sure. He questions the fact that Michael had vitiligo when all he had to do if he wanted to tell the truth was read MJ's autopsy report. The same goes for stating Michael didn't have a nose. He talks about Michael taking "Blood Baths" and performing voodoo rituals. He calls him asexual and pre-sexual and goes on to state Michael died a 50 year old virgin. Michael was innocent of child molestation and he was proven to be innocent in a court of law. If a jury of 12 cannot convince the public of his innocents I can't see how turning MJ into some weird freak in Sullivan’s book will convince people he did nothing wrong. I don't believe in my heart that MJ fans have to accept a pack of lies about the man we love just because Sullivan said he could be innocent of child molestation. MJ deserves much better than that.

I am also very disappointed in T-Mez for rating Sullivan's trash a 5. I'm not totally throwing him under the bus yet but I did not appreciate the conspiracy stuff he added to his comments to the fans. JMO.

 

[Petrarose]

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Victory I think what this situation with TMez has taught us is that we can admire someone for one action or job they do, but it does not mean we will admire them for all other actions or jobs they do. This is a good lesson for us. TMez is a good lawyer who can defend Michael in a court of law, but it does not mean his ideas and beliefs are going to be the same as ours. We saw this coming when he went on David's doc and later he was on tv saying some nonsense about the granny napping, which showed he did not pay attention to what was happening in detail. I also get the feeling that he does not really know all the horrible things people say continuously about Michael in the press and which the general public have internalized. Although he is a fan of Michael's, he is not the type of fan that reads up on all things about Michael or follow what is being said in the press about Michael, because he does not have the time and maybe that is not his interest.

PS: It seems TMez is not rating the book a 5, but he is rating the part he contributed as a 5.

 

[shelly_webster]

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TMez said to NYpost that the reason he didn't write his own book is because, "publishers were not interested in why Michael Jackson was innocent." http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/jacko_vindication_thrills_lawyer_UpnXiP4wjuZvKTYSifr3DL

I doubt he talked to the NY Post, the POSt quote look like a mix between what he said to Sullivan and his email.

 

[Victory22]

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Victory I think what this situation with TMez has taught us is that we can admire someone for one action or job they do, but it does not mean we will admire them for all other actions or jobs they do. This is a good lesson for us. TMez is a good lawyer who can defend Michael in a court of law, but it does not mean his ideas and beliefs are going to be the same as ours. We saw this coming when he went on David's doc and later he was on tv saying some nonsense about the granny napping, which showed he did not pay attention to what was happening in detail. I also get the feeling that he does not really know all the horrible things people say continuously about Michael in the press and which the general public have internalized. Although he is a fan of Michael's, he is not the type of fan that reads up on all things about Michael or follow what is being said in the press about Michael, because he does not have the time and maybe that is not his interest.

PS: It seems TMez is not rating the book a 5, but he is rating the part he contributed as a 5.

Thanks a lot and I think what you've said makes a lot of sense concerning T-Mez.

 

[LadyinHisLife80]

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I believe so too. I think these men who spend so much time pondering and explaining what Michael does with that thing in his pants are really interested in him sexually--like Halprine, Sullivan, and VG. If we keep telling Sullivan that over and over, it may offend his macho sensibilities and make him shut up. In fact anytime he gives an interview about it, someone should say, I think you are sexually attracted to Michael.

I tend to notice fans like to believe other males are atracted to Michael and mock them like it's something wrong....because the normal way of thinking would be Sullivan jealous of Michael, not Lisa.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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"WTH? Voodoo things are in the book? "

He used the Orth article but I am not sure he believed the story.

What are you basing that on? Randall quoted the voodoo incident in his book and said that "there was an undercurrent of credibility to the story" because mj had issues with speilberg and geffen.

"(3) TMez feels the worst thing said about Michael is the pedo charge, so he is more interested in that. OK, that is fine, but the surgeries, skin color, sexual orientation, and pedo charge are all connected together. "

Sullivan did say MJ had vitiligo. His book is not worst than Tarraborelli.

That paragraph where randall says mj has vitiligo is ambivalent and a little odd. He mentions that the treatment of lupus can be 'mind over matter' and says that 'klein went along with the steady lightening of mj's skin being entirely the result of vitiligo and treatments associated with that.' Does that sound like a definitive statement that mj had vitiligo? I think it's really unclear, and i'm sure that's done deliberately by randall.

 

[HIStory]

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What are you basing that on? Randall quoted the voodoo incident in his book and said that "there was an undercurrent of credibility to the story" because mj had issues with speilberg and geffen.

And if he didn't believe it then why did he quote it at all? Just to include every tabloid crap ever written about Michael?

 

[LastTear]

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I dont think just using bleaching cream can seriously change someone's skin so drastically like michael's skin and vitiligo is a skin condition thats gradually spreads across the skin. Also its a medical thing and just skin bleaching is different

Yes, absolutely, I was just mentioning what RT had stated in his book.

 

[shelly_webster]

What are you basing that on? Randall quoted the voodoo incident in his book and said that "there was an undercurrent of credibility to the story" because mj had issues with speilberg and geffen.



That paragraph where randall says mj has vitiligo is ambivalent and a little odd. He mentions that the treatment of lupus can be 'mind over matter' and says that 'klein went along with the steady lightening of mj's skin being entirely the result of vitiligo and treatments associated with that.' Does that sound like a definitive statement that mj had vitiligo? I think it's really unclear, and i'm sure that's done deliberately by randall.

He is linking that to his treatment for acne.

For the voodoo story, he is linking that to the MJ countersuit against Lee. What hé said is Lee answer that countersuit by telling that to Orth.

 

[la_cienega]

From VindicateMJ:

A great job has been done by MJJ20Girl and Kittycat10100 – they contacted the people involved in making Michael Jackson’s autopsy report and the reply they received fully exposes Sullivan’s LIES ABOUT MJ’S NOSE!

And this is what the DOCTOR said about his findings during the autopsy:

As far as Mr. Sullivan’s book information he might have a copy of the report since it is a matter of public record, however I can assure you that he does not have the autopsy photos or other photos involving Mr. Jackson. The photos have been secured, and the location is only known to two of us that have them. I can tell you that Mr. Jackson did in fact have a nose and that it was nothing like described by Mr. Sullivan. I guess he just wants to sell books…

http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/about/#comment-34331



Interesting considering Randall supposedly quotes what the coroner had perceived:

"A bandage covers his nose so cut away that, without a prosthetic, it looked like little more than a pair of slightly ridged nostrils."

Entirely made up.

 

[Aquarius]

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I read TM's review & I'm dissapointed. Never thought that just some few words from him would make me think twice about him.

"Untouchable: The Strange Life and Tragic Death of Michael Jackson" takes a tough, biting, hardnosed look at everything in Michael Jackson's life. Mr. Sullivan, who analyzed evidence and information from an objective, clinical, journalistic perspective, is willing to savage anyone and anything that the truth requires. Lawyers, doctors, business managers, personal advisors and family members are targets wherever Mr. Sullivan believes honest criticism is warranted"

Why instead of life he didn't use the word "trial"? He should had focus the trial only and he didn't. That was wrong because if he agrees with the craziness about Michael's nose, then I would have to say that he's becoming one of those crazy journalists.

Since TM agrees with the supossed "accuracy" of the book, he should read the answer from the pathologist.

 

[Petrarose]

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That paragraph where randall says mj has vitiligo is ambivalent and a little odd. He mentions that the treatment of lupus can be 'mind over matter' and says that 'klein went along with the steady lightening of mj's skin being entirely the result of vitiligo and treatments associated with that.' Does that sound like a definitive statement that mj had vitiligo? I think it's really unclear, and i'm sure that's done deliberately by randall.

You know I am tired of reporters making medical or psychological claims about illnesses when they have no knowledge about what they are talking about. Claiming a lupus treatment can be "mind over matter," is not only stupid but minimizes the pain and suffering that people with this condition have. It is almost as though he is saying Lupus is not a real problem. I have a friend whose whole family suffers from this, and her ailments cannot be dealt with in this trivial manner. The swelling of her joints are noticeable. Some days she cannot walk and have to stay home. It even affected the cartilage in her knees, and there are more problems. So please Sullivan find another topic.

Then, there is this new thing among these writers (because you know when one has an idea, they all follow it) that bleaching your skin leads to vitiligo. Consequently, Michael bleached his skin, so then he developed vitiligo. How are the sufferers of this problem going to feel hearing this crap? Look at the millions of people who bleach their skin for one reason or another--some for marks, scars, or even to lighten their skin for cosmetic reasons. Why haven't all these people develop vitiligo all over the world?

This week I saw a small Hispanic boy with vitiligo, but according to the mom, his parents and grandparents do not have it. Yet, some ancestor in that lineage must have it. I notice that people like to say that Michael's parents or siblings do not have vitiligo, therefore, he does not really have it. Again, people talking about things that they do not understand.

Lacienega thanks for the statement from the doc. We had a thread where the doc did a lecture in some school and said these documents from the autopsy were locked up. I remember we commented on how ethical he was, so we all knew Sullivan made this up but it is good to hear this rebuttal from the doc. Are you going to put that information in the comment on Amazon?

 

[jamba]

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"there was an undercurrent of credibility to the story" This is what RS says about Orth's 'voodoo' cow bloodbath. The word 'undercurrent' is striking b/c this is the area where the tabloid writers excel--they thrive on creating suspicions but never dispelling them by fact-finding. IMO RS adds to the already big pile of 'suspicions' and 'undercurrents' about Michael, as if there weren't enough to deal with before he came along. Now he writes that Lady Diana was 'creeped out' by Michael. Here is another innuendo--Michael is 'creepy' so he creeps people out, including, RS says, Jacqueline Onassis (interesting that both these women are dead so they can't contradict him). He says there's a 'shadow of doubt' about was he innocent of pedophilia in the 93 case. He just keeps planting suspicions and adding to them--now we have a new term 'pre-sexual' to speculate about. Was Michael a creepy 50 year old pre-sexual virgin? I thought most people accepted LMP's statement that it was a normal married sex life, but now he has to stir up more suspicions even about that. Then he adds more details to the 'extravagant spending' story, and comes up with the outrageous claim Michael's nose was a shriveled mess and he wore a prosthetic (which Orth also claimed in 2003).

How is this helping Michael? It is only making it all worse.

BTW, RS is apparently a Roman Catholic. Coincidentally, so are Maureen Orth and Tom Sneddon. Not to put down people of that faith, but some of Michael's greatest haters have been Roman Catholics.

If he could be proved conclusively wrong on one of these suspicions (like the no nose claim) then he could be completely discredited. I saw the vindicatemj comment cited above from someone from the cornoner's office, so I hope that will prove RS to be full of BS.

 

[HIStory]

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From VindicateMJ:



http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/about/#comment-34331



Interesting considering Randall supposedly quotes what the coroner had perceived:

"A bandage covers his nose so cut away that, without a prosthetic, it looked like little more than a pair of slightly ridged nostrils."

Entirely made up.

I don't know how trustable those people are (not VMJ, but the people who made that video). They seem to be beLIEvers...
In videos before they tried to prove that the autopsy is not of the real Michael. I cannot really take these people seriously.

Of course, I trust the autopsy, which doesn't say anything about a fake nose etc - so yeah, that alone makes Randall a liar. But whether these people really talked to doctors or not - I can't say I trust them about that. Which doctors? Why not give their names? Is there a proof for that they really talked to them?

 

[la_cienega]

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But if they're beLIEvers wouldn't posting a statement from someone involved saying the autopsy photos exist mean that it shows MJ did pass away? So it's counter to their beliefs?