Randall Sullivan's book "Untouchable"

Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable" Tabloid Mess

People still here talk about this trash book:bugeyed And That stupid fake nose story! I don't need autopsy to show me Michael had the nose, just like I don't need any proves to believe everyone has their nose. Wtf is wrong with people? The bullshit like this always remind me Michael was too good for this world, he didn't have to be tortured anymore by those lowlife who make money by trash talking others and the media sheep who believed anything the media feed them.
 
la_cienega;3741711 said:
But if they're beLIEvers wouldn't posting a statement from someone involved saying the autopsy photos exist mean that it shows MJ did pass away? So it's counter to their beliefs?

Don't ask me to understand their logic, but when someone raised this question under their YouTube video, this is how she answered:

Question:

thanks! but confused. i thought in the video before this, you tried to prove that those lungs in the AR couldn't have been Michael's - but the nose was, even if unseen by Sullivan?

sparkle527

Answer:

You´re welcome and thanks! :) No worries, please! This video was meant to prove Mr. Sullivan a liar not to discredit ourselves. The official autopsy report is about a decedent called Michael Jackson, so is the "nose issue", and referring to statements from and around this report means to base our investigations on the presented facts.

MJJ20Girl


Whatever...
 
Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable" Tabloid Mess

I think it is absolute madness to attribute some type of logic to these people who think mj is still alive. Thanks respect for your post about the people concerned being believers. I think this 'new evidence' from the coroners' office is rubbish, sorry. And it's just embarrassing of vindicate mj to flag up this claim by being the 'offcial response from the coroners' office'. Those 2 posters do not reveal this 'high-rankilng official in the coroner's office''s name, but apparently he's one of 2 people who hold the photos of mj's autopsy and he's their 'contact'. Why on earth wd such a man be in correspondence with 2 nutcases who believe that his office is involved in a massive conspiracy and coverup?

There's plently of evidence showing randall's nose description is just wrong, so we don't need to depend on anything else, esp not from believers. I regard randall sullivan as having more credibility than these people whose views are just pernicious and idiotic.
 
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Victory22;3741104 said:
I'm sure others have already said this but my position is that Sullivan’s gossip does very little to prove Michael was not a pedophile. Sullivan states in his book he doesn't think he was but cannot be sure. He questions the fact that Michael had vitiligo when all he had to do if he wanted to tell the truth was read MJ's autopsy report. The same goes for stating Michael didn't have a nose. He talks about Michael taking "Blood Baths" and performing voodoo rituals. He calls him asexual and pre-sexual and goes on to state Michael died a 50 year old virgin. Michael was innocent of child molestation and he was proven to be innocent in a court of law. If a jury of 12 cannot convince the public of his innocents I can't see how turning MJ into some weird freak in Sullivan’s book will convince people he did nothing wrong. I don't believe in my heart that MJ fans have to accept a pack of lies about the man we love just because Sullivan said he could be innocent of child molestation. MJ deserves much better than that.

I am also very disappointed in T-Mez for rating Sullivan's trash a 5. I'm not totally throwing him under the bus yet but I did not appreciate the conspiracy stuff he added to his comments to the fans. JMO.

We still don't know for certain that the amazon review is hm.

And those "Mj is alive" nutcases all want locking up in the looney bin.
 
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Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable" Tabloid Mess

Here is what they replied to my voiced doubts on youtube:

Call the LA Coroner yourself 323-343-0783. We chose not to reveal the name because this person has been surprisingly forthcoming with facts and opinions and if you try you can figure out who it is, but you won't hear it from us.

Would anyone want to double-check? (I'm not very good at discussing such matters over the phone).
 
Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable" Tabloid Mess

Call the LA Coroner yourself 323-343-0783. We chose not to reveal the name because this person has been surprisingly forthcoming with facts and opinions and if you try you can figure out who it is, but you won't hear it from us.

The reason they give for why they did not name him doesn't make any sense. Just because someone is forthcoming it doesn't follow that his name should be concealed. Had she said, he specifically asked to remain anonymous it'd be another matter (though still suspicious) but this explanation doesn't even make sense.
 
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The video is also uploaded in contro if you wish to question or discuss it. PLEASE can someone from LA area please call the phone number 323-343-0783. and ask if they can ask question about MJ autopsy the condition of his nose or any other body part as the video claimed they did. I dont believe it but It possible .. if they gave me that info I would ask if they have permission to divulge the condition of his nose or any other body part over the phone .. THANKS

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/127748-Exposing-R-Sullivan-s-lie-Proof-From-LA-Coroner
 
Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable" Tabloid Mess

The identity - if true - is obvious.

Dr. Christopher Rogers is the one that perform the autopsy and took the photos. He's obviously knowledgeable about the case.

Ed Winter - Assistant Chief Coroner - is the media spokesperson and was the lead investigator of the Michael Jackson's death. His email is listed on a contact form.

I would assume it would be either one of these that spoke to the fans - of course if true.

(Edited to add: I had heard that Dr. Rogers was communicating with fans and I was suggested to contact him for a Q&A. We opted not to do it.)

The second person that would have knowledge / access to the photos would be the Chief Medical Coroner Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran and director Anthony Hernandez.

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Edited to add : The 323-343-0783 phone number is for the media / spokesperson office. That's handled by Ed Winter. He would be my first choice as the person behind the email, Dr. Rogers the second possibility - if true of course.
 
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But there is no need to bother the coroner's office, since if we look at the thread where one of the doctors or assistants spoke at that school, we will know that they did not give any photos out for Randall to have. I hope a bunch of fans are not making a lot of calls to that office, because it can be annoying.
 
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But there is no need to bother the coroner's office, since if we look at the thread where one of the doctors or assistants spoke at that school, we will know that they did not give any photos out for Randall to have. I hope a bunch of fans are not making a lot of calls to that office, because it can be annoying.

Of course there's no need to talk to the coroner.

But it's also possible that Murray's lawyers might be a source and Sullivan might have seen autopsy photos from them. If you remember Murray's lawyers have complained about small size watermarked autopsy photos. It seems like they had access to those.
 
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Of course there's no need to talk to the coroner.

But it's also possible that Murray's lawyers might be a source and Sullivan might have seen autopsy photos from them. If you remember Murray's lawyers have complained about small size watermarked autopsy photos. It seems like they had access to those.

Oh Ivy good one, I did not think of that. Now that is another wrinkle, but if Muarry's people have such photos, how come they did not make use of it for money yet?
 
Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable" Tabloid Mess

Oh Ivy good one, I did not think of that. Now that is another wrinkle, but if Muarry's people have such photos, how come they did not make use of it for money yet?

bc they are watermarked and the source of the leak would be obvious.
 
I think it is absolute madness to attribute some type of logic to these people who think mj is still alive.
It´s sad they can´t accept that Michael is dead.
When they explain why they still think he´s alive it reminds me of this
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Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable" Tabloid Mess

But it's also possible that Murray's lawyers might be a source and Sullivan might have seen autopsy photos from them. If you remember Murray's lawyers have complained about small size watermarked autopsy photos. It seems like they had access to those.

But couldn't Murray lawyers only have the autopsy pics that were shown in the trial, which are public?
 
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bc they are watermarked and the source of the leak would be obvious.

^^Thanks, sort of reminds me of the story with AEG where they said the leaked doc were in a specific format. Yet, I do not think Sullivan has any photos, but is making up stories about the nose. If he had photos he wouldn't reference a photoshoped photo found on the internet.
 
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I don't think he ever saw any pictures. Did he ever said from which of the autopsies the pics were? He just want to create weaves because I don't believe the Coroner's office or Michael's fam would ever let anyone see those pics.
 
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He phrased it in a way which would make it seem like he'd seen others, but it sounds like he's only speaking about the ones we've all seen. It's the same as that other photo of MJ without his nose he claims MJ let be taken, except nobody knows what he's talking about, as there are no photos of MJ without a nose anywhere.

His description of the autopsy alone reveals that he's got an imagination, as there was no prosthetic cut away.
 
Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable" Tabloid Mess

It is another week so I hope this book has dropped on the charts some more. How about tweeting sullivan it's placement on the list. I hope he has finished the tv promotion runs, because that is the only way people learn about this foolishness.

Have we heard BEEP from the family yet? The guy who was supposed to fight with Michael about the plane needs to do more than just have his camp say the information is not true. This is why people like Sullivan get away with this type of writing year after year.
 
Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable" Tabloid Mess

It is another week so I hope this book has dropped on the charts some more. How about tweeting sullivan it's placement on the list. I hope he has finished the tv promotion runs, because that is the only way people learn about this foolishness.

Have we heard BEEP from the family yet? The guy who was supposed to fight with Michael about the plane needs to do more than just have his camp say the information is not true. This is why people like Sullivan get away with this type of writing year after year.

Last time I checked its position in Amazon, it was charting around 2 thousand, now its position has dropped to 6 thousand, heading to bargain bin:)

I suppose Mark doesn't want to pay any attention to creepy crawlies such as Sullivan.
The only things to do in cases like this is to ignore or get the bottle of raid. I doubt pesticides will work on Sullivan, so let the time do its work, and Sullivan will be gone in due time.
 
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^^Well, Bye Bye sullivan. I hope the few thousand you got was not enough!! The best thing is to take the book and bury it, so that the former tree elements go back to the soil.
 
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glad to see this book is a failure...
 
Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable" Tabloid Mess

I hope this serve a lesson to the next jack@$$ trying to sell a book full of all so much crap. Sullivan and others really thought that covering the 05 trial in a somewhat fair way by having T-Mez interviewed was good enough? How delusional! If u claim he might have been guilty in 93 and then interview Ray Chandler, then the 05 trial defense coverage in the book because sh*t. SMH Sorry, but I be damn people goin around thinking MJ was this one time child molester B.S so many like Sullivan keep harping on. That argument makes no sense and not possible! Either u believe he is or u don't in both cases! There is no middle ground with this subject!
 
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I hope this teaches t-mez he needs to be more careful when choosing to help so called authors who write these awful trashy books on michael and if he really has any respect for michael he will do that
 
Here is an email from T Mesereau and he says some pretty strong things about the fans--even that they are not helping Michael's legacy by seeking to 'bury' this book. I think at this point that someone official from the fan community needs to really try and get through to T. Mesereau so he can understand the concerns Michael's fans and supporters have with this book and the interviews RS has given.

"Thank you for your recent emails.

The Los Angeles Times book review appeared in hardcopy on November 19, 2012. As I prepare this email, I have it in my hand.

This book review was prominently featured on the front page of the Los Angeles Times “Calendar” section. This section is widely read by people in the entertainment industry.

Following the publication of this review, I received a number of phone calls from people who I do not consider to be part of the Michael Jackson fan community. They were affected by the reviewer’s comments in the first two paragraphs. As you know, he immediately states that Mr. Sullivan believes that Michael Jackson “could not possibly have been a child molester.” In the second paragraph, Mr. Lee comments on Mr. Sullivan’s believe that the Chandler case in 1993 was an “extortion case”. Mr. Sullivan also says that Mr. Jackson should not have paid money to settle this case.

What Michael Jackson fans apparently don’t realize is the need to confront certain aspects of Michael Jackson’s life and explain them. If you don’t explain these realities and utilize them to humanize Michael Jackson, you will never persuade others that he was not a pedophile.

My perception of the Michael Jackson fan community is that, for the most part, supporters of Michael Jackson want to avoid addressing issues like his sexuality, interaction with children, plastic surgery, vitiligo, etc. I understand this. However, in my opinion, you will never persuade others about Michael Jackson’s humanity and decency without confronting them.

What do I mean? Consider one of my strategies in Michael Jackson’s criminal trial of 2005.

I began the defense case by calling three witnesses whom the prosecution claimed had been molested. They were Macaulay Culkin, Brett Barnes and Wade Robson. The prosecution had presented witnesses and evidence in their attempt to prove that these young men were sexually assaulted by Michael Jackson.

All three denied that Michael had ever touched them improperly. They were indignant that anyone would suggest that they were molested. However, all testified that they had slept many times in Michael Jackson’s bed. They all claimed that they were friends and that nothing illegal ever happened.

I decided that evidence that these young men had slept in Michael’s bed needed to be explained. I also decided that allowing in such evidence was a price worth paying in order to illicit their strong denials that any molestation ever happened.

Roger Friedman and others criticized my decision to let in evidence that these young men slept in Michael’s bed. I also called female witnesses who had slept in Michael’s bed. I wanted to explain the innocence of this behavior.

Following the trial, I spoke to the jury foreperson. He said that Michael Jackson might not have been acquitted of all counts if I had not called these witnesses and explained Michael’s behavior.

I have always believed that top criminal defense lawyers do not run from evidence that appears troubling. They directly and courageously confront and explain this evidence. This must be done in a way that protects and humanizes their client. Mediocre lawyers, on the other hand, either run from such evidence or present slick, sleazy explanations.

In the trial, I was not addressing a jury of Michael Jackson fans. I assumed that these twelve jurors were pro-prosecution and prepared to convict. Fortunately, they were persuaded otherwise.

Again, you will never convince numerous segments of the general public that Michael Jackson was not a pedophile unless you confront, explain and humanize certain aspects of Michael’s life that these people find troubling or unusual. In my opinion, Randall Sullivan’s book does this very effectively.

Randall Sullivan’s book is already changing people’s perspective on Michael Jackson. Mr. Sullivan portrays Michael in a very sympathetic light. He shows how he was continually exploited and misused. He humanizes him by addressing issues that must be explained. In the process, he explains Michael very effectively. He is changing people’s perspective on Michael Jackson in a positive way because he doesn’t appear biased towards Michael.

I repeat, the Dimonds, Orths, Chandlers and Sneddons are ecstatic that Michael Jackson fans are trying to bury this book. To me, these fans are doing a great disservice to the legacy of Michael Jackson. Michael was no pedophile or criminal. He was one of the kindest, nicest people I ever encountered. He was also the greatest, artistic genius of my time.

You are welcome to circulate this to anyone you chose.

Kind regards,

Tom Mesereau"
 
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I don't understand how making him look like freak purely based on tabloid sources helps Michael to be humanized in that book full of :bs:.
 
My perception of the Michael Jackson fan community is that, for the most part, supporters of Michael Jackson want to avoid addressing issues like his sexuality, interaction with children, plastic surgery, vitiligo, etc. I understand this. However, in my opinion, you will never persuade others about Michael Jackson&#8217;s humanity and decency without confronting them.

Is t mez serious with this!!??? Its not just the pedophile accusations we fight for its also the cruel words the haters use regarding michaels vitiliago, plastic surgey etc and they too hurt michael deeply and affected him very much. Is he saying this hurtful things werent painful to michael? cuz i sure hell bet if michael was still here he would say it did
 
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^^Completely agree. How talking about his nose is going to help Michael? I think TM is confused or doesn't want to see the reality. Michael's fans are not afraid to talk about the accusations, vitiligo, or his sexuality, or his interactions with children. Doesn't he notice that what fans are disputing are the lies Sullivan is writing about? Does he agree with Sullivan that Michael had almost no nose? I humbly believe he should stay away & try not to defend Michael in that way.
 
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