Randall Sullivan's book "Untouchable"

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The scariest thing: My brother just gave me Untouchable for a Christmas gift at the table. As soon as I saw the word I told him to take it back. He wanted to know why and I had to explain about Randall, the sources and facts/nonfacts. He promised to return it and bring me some more BAD material. Poor thing he knows I adore Michael and thought that this book would be a nice gift. I guess things like this is always happening to Michael fans.

I know just how you feel. Last year a friend bought J. Randy Taraborrelli's book for me.
 
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I know just how you feel. Last year a friend bought J. Randy Taraborrelli's book for me.

Oh Oh, I must say my brother returned the book the next day and today brought me another BAD 25 package. Now I have 2. I hope that those who got the Randall book and do not want it can return it for another purchase.
 
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Yes after giving my friend a lecture on RT and his life of leeching off MJ.

Maybe it would have been better for your friend to return the book, so RT would not get that sale.
 
You'll want to read the following

Irate Michael Jackson Fans Battle a Book in Amazon’s Reviews
By DAVID STREITFELD
Published: January 20, 2013

Reviews on Amazon are becoming attack weapons, intended to sink new books as soon as they are published.

In the biggest, most overt and most successful of these campaigns, a group of Michael Jackson fans used Facebook and Twitter to solicit negative reviews of a new biography of the singer. They bombarded Amazon with dozens of one-star takedowns, succeeded in getting several favorable notices erased and even took credit for Amazon’s briefly removing the book from sale.

“Books used to die by being ignored, but now they can be killed — and perhaps unjustly killed,” said Trevor Pinch, a Cornell sociologist who has studied Amazon reviews. “In theory, a very good book could be killed by a group of people for malicious reasons.”

In “Untouchable: The Strange Life and Tragic Death of Michael Jackson,” Randall Sullivan writes that Jackson’s overuse of plastic surgery reduced his nose to little more than a pair of nostrils and that he died a virgin despite being married twice. These points in particular seem to infuriate the fans.

Outside Amazon, the book had a mixed reception; in The New York Times, Michiko Kakutani called it “thoroughly dispensable.” So it is difficult to pinpoint how effective the campaign was. Still, the book has been a resounding failure in the marketplace.

The fans, who call themselves Michael Jackson’s Rapid Response Team to Media Attacks, say they are exercising their free speech rights to protest a book they feel is exploitative and inaccurate. “Sullivan does everything he can to dehumanize, dismantle and destroy, against all objective fact,” a spokesman for the group said.

But the book’s publisher, Grove Press, said the Amazon review system was being abused in an organized campaign. “We’re very reluctant to interfere with the free flow of discourse, but there should be transparency about people’s motivations,” said Morgan Entrekin, president of Grove/Atlantic, Grove’s parent company.

Amazon said the fans’ reviews had not violated its guidelines but declined further comment.

The retailer, like other sites that depend on customer reviews, has been faced with the problem of so-called sock puppets, those people secretly commissioned by an author to produce favorable notices. In recent months, Amazon has made efforts to remove reviews by those it deemed too close to the author, especially relatives.

The issue of attack reviews, though, has received little attention. The historian Orlando Figes was revealed in 2010 to be using Amazon to anonymously vilify his rivals and secretly praise himself. The crime writer R. J. Ellory was exposed for doing the same thing last fall.

Attack reviews are hard to police. It is difficult, if not impossible, to detect the difference between an authentic critical review and an author malevolently trying to bring down a colleague, or organized assaults by fans. Amazon’s extensive rules on reviewing offer little guidance on what is permissible in negative reviews and what is not.

With “Untouchable,” Grove had hopes for a modest best seller. The book was excerpted in Vanity Fair, and Mr. Sullivan, a longtime contributor to Rolling Stone who lives in Portland, Ore., promoted it on “Nightline” and “Good Morning America.” Amazon selected it as one of the best books of November, encouraging readers to “check out this train wreck of a life.” The retailer also selected it as one of the 100 best e-books of the year.

None of that helped when Mr. Sullivan tried to complain, saying reviews of his book were factually false yet being voted up by the fans so that they dominated the page for “Untouchable.” The bookseller replied with boilerplate. “Rest assured, we’ll read each of the reviews and remove any that violate our guidelines,” adding, “We’ve appreciated your business and hope to have the opportunity to serve you again in the future.”

In an interview, Mr. Sullivan asked: “Should people be allowed to make flagrantly false comments about the content of a book or its author? This is suppression of free speech in the name of free speech.”

Untouchable” is 586 pages of text, with 200 pages of notes. Much of it focuses on Jackson’s chaotic last years, including his efforts at comebacks, his struggles to remain solvent, his shocking death in 2009 and the battle over his estate.

It is a largely sympathetic portrait. For instance, Mr. Sullivan seeks to refute the popular notion that the singer had troubling relationships with young boys. Jackson was found not guilty of child-molesting in a criminal trial in 2005.

Yet even before the book was officially published on Nov. 13, the rapid response team declared, “It’s time for action!”

Within two weeks, the book had nearly 100 anonymous one-star reviews that included such comments as: “A disgrace and a disgusting insult to the greatest artist and entertainer the world has ever known.” “There is not one actual fact in this book.” “Sullivan seeks to criticize Michael’s spending habits? It’s none of his business what Michael spent his money on.” “Michael Jackson has dedicated his entire life to helping others. He doesn’t deserve this.” “The audacity to term Michael Jackson’s life a ‘train wreck’ is nothing less than evil and uneducated.”

For several days in late November, Amazon stopped selling physical copies of the book after buyers said copies were defective, in a development first reported by The Portland Oregonian. Mr. Entrekin said Amazon was the only sales outlet that had received such complaints.

The fans took the credit for removing the book from sale. “Book stopped selling,” one of them noted in a Nov. 26 post on the Facebook page. “MJ fans we have done it again!!! Who’s BAD!!!”

About that time, other readers started leaving positive reviews of the book and criticizing the negative reviews, turning the review forum into a full-scale brawl. The fans labeled these reviewers “haters,” saying: “Do not fight with the haters but we need you to focus on the book and leave negative reviews of the book. Rate it with one star. We do not want the book rating to go up.”

It also encouraged the fans to report “the MJ hating trolls” to Amazon for making “inappropriate and personal” attacks against those who left negative reviews.

Tom Mesereau, the Los Angeles criminal defense lawyer who became a hero among Jackson fans when he successfully represented the singer in his molestation case, was a major source for Mr. Sullivan. In early December, he made a YouTube video calling the attacks on “Untouchable” a “disgusting, sophisticated, Hollywood-style P.R. campaign.”

In reality, the campaign is being run a long way from Hollywood. An administrator for the rapid response team, who identified himself as Steve Pollard, said five people run the Facebook site and Twitter efforts, only three of them in the United States. Going after “Untouchable” was “a moral responsibility,” said Mr. Pollard, a 52-year-old resident of Detroit. He explained, “If you were to drive by a graveyard and see someone steal a corpse in order to make a profit, you would feel some responsibility to do something.”

He said that the response team did not tell fans what to say in their Amazon reviews and that they did not try to have the book removed, despite messages to the contrary on the Facebook page. But he added in an e-mail that some of the favorable reviews of “Untouchable” “were removed (I think) because they were attacks against fans and not reviews of his book. We reported the attacks of course.”

Mr. Pinch, the Cornell researcher, said he got the sense that “Amazon is hoping that all these problems with positive and negative reviews will go away.” He added: “But as more and more abuses come to light, the overall effect will be a slow undermining of the process. There are so many ways to game the system.”

Grove distributed 16,000 copies of “Untouchable.” Nielsen BookScan, which tracks sales in most outlets, counted only 3,000 copies sold. For a time this month, “Untouchable” was being outsold on Amazon by a book on Jackson’s body language, “Behind the Mask.”

That book, published by the author, had something going for it that “Untouchable” did not: the endorsement of the fans. “Michael Jackson would be pleased that such an objective book was written about him,” one reviewer wrote on Amazon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/21/b...ld-of-amazons-partisan-book-reviews.html?_r=0
 
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3,000 is really bad.

They try and make it seem like fans have launched this crazy rabid campaign, like anything bad about him and we launch crazy campaigns without thought. I'm sure that was Sullivan's idea to make him look like a victim of the bad evil fans.

Speaking of this book, what happened to Morinen's review which was on the front page of the Amazon book reviews?

http://www.amazon.com/review/RRSUGI...211962X&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=#wasThisHelpful

And why is this review all the way back again now too?

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2WDK2...211962X&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=#wasThisHelpful

Has Sullivan and his little army been trying to turf them off the front page by downvoting them?

So now the only reviews at the front are the really short ones which don't give accurate and valid reasons for why this book isn't any good?

Yeah, it looks like that's what he's doing as this review which was only posted today, has already got 20 votes:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2WY9A...TF8&ASIN=080211962X&nodeID=283155&store=books

And it's being deluged in 5 star reviews who, like all the other 5 star reviews, focus on Sullivan and the fans, as well as MJ being strange and bizarre, and not on the book itself:

http://www.amazon.com/Untouchable-S...tBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R24TZ8YWKU9EPL



I'm glad they recognize our power though. They can try and dismiss us by acting like we're just fanatical and blind, but they can't ignore us.
 
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Ivy did you do a blog after you read the book, or what did you do with the information. I noticed you did not give a review.

Thank you for this wonderful article which was written to make me/fans mad or show we are malicious, but backfired. I think the author miscalculated, because I am elated. Now, when buyers do the same thing in writing that these journalists have been doing all along, they call it abuse. I cracked up when Sullivan said this: "In an interview, Mr. Sullivan asked: “Should people be allowed to make flagrantly false comments about the content of a book or its author? This is suppression of free speech in the name of free speech.” Strangely Sullivan did not comment on his false comments, but only the fans'--again with the double standards. Reporters can say/write anything and claim a source said it, but fans can't write what they feel is the truth.

I get the author did not read the whole book either, sort of like me, because he has the lasting impression that Sullivan believes Michael was not a pedo. Didn't the guys who read the whole thing say that at the end he said something like only the kid will know, so that right there shows Sullivan is putting some doubt into his writing.

I am surprised that the book was overselling the body language one in November. What were people thinking? Great that Amazon wants to sell a book to Michael fans and go on record stating it is a "train wreck." I just bought 9 Michael related books on Amazon on Friday, so they better realize that they get more customers from Michael fans than from people who follow Sullivan's writing career. Maybe I will send them that reminder, so they don't forget who make up their customer base. I could easily get the 9 books I bought some other place & they need to remember that. By the way has Sullivan written any books before?

I can't even mention the Tmez part. I can only shake my head.

Finally, good going all Michael fans for a job well done. I can hold my head up high now, especially after the owner of the facebook page made a comparison between the book & the dead person in the cemetary.

Lacienza they know very well we are not unintelligent fools. However, like the J--- label it is used to make others feel we are thoughtless fools, to make us mad, & to dwindle our power. It won't work.

I was in Barnes & Nobel this past week and saw about 10 of the books on the floor in the Pop section. I hope they remain there unsold.
 
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Sullivan's team are really working hard on the Amazon reviews

I've been following Morinen and Katerina's reviews and just in the last bit, Morinen's review went from 160 votes to 170, and Katerina's went from 190 to 200. So a further 10 people came in to vote them down.

Anyway, I recommend any fans here to go and vote back up the good reviews, and downvote all the recent 5 star ones he's been spamming in

http://www.amazon.com/Untouchable-S...iewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

And the review calling MJ fans sociopaths which was only posted today, already has 30 "thanks"

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2WY9A...e=UTF8&ASIN=080211962X&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=

So just today he's sent in 30 people to try and counter the fans...

He's trying to "win" this by hiding the bad reviews. Don't let it work for him.
 
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LaCienza thank you for the information. You know tomorrow is Martin Luther King holiday, I will be free, & I will get work on this voting which is a perfect thing to do on King's day.
 
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This is Sullivan's own news story, he wanted to turn the MJ reviews into a story so he could get some promo for a book which is dying in sales. So he knew that when this story was printed it would mean his Amazon page would get more hits/sales, so he wanted to make sure all the big lengthy reviews which tear apart his book were hidden, and all his positive "fans are crazy" reviews were at the top.

And he's the one to claim fans are suppressing free speech?

Okay, just since the last post, another 5 people have thanked that sociopath review and more 5 star reviews have been spammed in. It's a complete campaign from his end, pretty pathetic.

Anyway, if people reading here can go in and just give thanks/no thanks to the 1 star/5 star reviews, so that they can't get them to the front page the way Sullivan is desperately trying to force them to.
 
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This is Sullivan's own news story, he wanted to turn the MJ reviews into a story so he could get some promo for a book which is dying in sales. So he knew that when this story was printed it would mean his Amazon page would get more hits/sales, so he wanted to make sure all the big lengthy reviews which tear apart his book were hidden, and all his positive "fans are crazy" reviews were at the top.

And he's the one to claim fans are suppressing free speech?

I started the campaign and noticed that the indepth (1) reviews that had more substance to them are in the middle, while the short ones with less analysis is at the top. Next, the (5) all comment about fans, which show it is a plan to put in 5 ratings. If I read a book and wanted to tell people how great it is, I am not going to mention about what fans are doing. I will simple state all the glorious truths about the book and let them speak for themselves. I am going to keep voting every hour on the hour, because after you click on the review the little box goes away. I guess you have to exit and then go back in to vote again.

We have to become more organized with book campaigns. I think someone should buy a copy, do a good summary of the chapters and post them up, so that fans can use the information there to do a good review. That will prevent fans from buying the book & at the same time give them ammunition for the reviews. I remember Ivy doing this before, but it takes a lot of time. However, you can start the review with simply 2 chapters completed as long as there is bogus there.
 
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I think it only counts each vote once per person, so more fans need to make sure they go to the page and vote. That's how you know it's a campaign, they had to get what looks to be 40-50 of Sullivan's people organized today right on the dot voting and spamming their reviews, and it can only count them once so you can tell it has to have been all people he alerted in some way.

^ Exactly, all the reviews focus on fans, on Sullivan, or on MJ being weird. There are no reviews which counter all the indepth reviews given by fans which explains why the book should be read.


See, again just since my last post, the top review now has 38 thanks, and there's another 5 star 2 sentence review which focuses on fans.
 
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^^Have you alerted the facebook group. I exited the site & returned at 8 pm and voted again. Do you think it will not count because i voted earlier at 7pm?
 
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No matter how many times you vote it only counts it once per person. When you see the "thank" button come up again, it still only counts for the original vote you gave it.

I don't think the MJ Rapid Media Response should alert fans because Sullivan's monitoring their page, but I messaged MJJusticeproject and figured posting it here would help. Any other places where fans can be alerted?
 
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No matter how many times you vote it only counts it once per person. When you see the "thank" button come up again, it still only counts for the original vote you gave it.

I don't think the MJ Rapid Media Response should alert fans because Sullivan's monitoring their page, but I messaged MJJusticeproject and figured posting it here would help. Any other places where fans can be alerted?

Well couldn't the facebook page pm the friends or something like that. We shouldn't be hiding because Sullivan is watching us. He is doing the same thing. The only difference is that he has friends to go to cry on their shoulders & they give him write up.
 
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He keeps his alert system on private though LOL

But yeah, fans need to do something. It makes me hate him even more that he's suppressing legit reviews like this.

The fact that he feels it's okay for his own silly fans to spam in 5 star 1 sentence reviews really shows his true colors.

Just check out the stats:

142 of 209 people found the following review helpful

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2WDK2...211962X&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=#wasThisHelpful

And this one, 121 of 180 people found the following review helpful

http://www.amazon.com/review/RRSUGI...211962X&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=#wasThisHelpful

When I first started posting about it it was out of 190 and the other one had 160. Where did these 20 people come in from in the last hour to also downvote it? It's an organized campaign to suppress proper reviews.

By tomorrow I imagine it'll be 250, and the "sociopath" review will be at a 100.
 
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He keeps his alert system on private though LOL

But yeah, fans need to do something. It makes me hate him even more that he's suppressing legit reviews like this.

The fact that he feels it's okay for his own silly fans to spam in 5 star 1 sentence reviews really shows his true colors.

Exactly, and because of his character & unethical ways I take offense when fans quote him the way his journalist friends quote him. The only time we should quote Sullivan is when we want to show what is not good research & how to counteract it.

Maybe I can pm a few people and ask them to visit the reviews, but that only works if fans visit the forum. It seems Sullivan caught us off guard while we were asleep. This makes me realize that when dealing with Michael's distractors we have to remain alert. We were caught napping, or with our pants down!
 
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This thread has been quiet all day & now we have all these people browsing it.
 
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This thread has been quiet all day & now we have all these people browsing it.
Great :) Just what we wanted more traffic. We had just tweeted out a link to the new info on this thread on twitter, which auto posts to our Facebook and other social media sites, then fans Retweet and share the link from those sites.
 
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I'm glad to see it Sullivan get to see so desperate. He's well connected in the media, gets a massive ad campaign, he mobilizes his followers, yet the book is a big flop and deservedly so. Sullivan and his publisher are big cry-babies. Funny, how they talk about crazy, rabid fans and agenda-driven reviews and negative campaigns against his book, when Sullivan's own team clearly do everything they accuse Michael Jackson fans of. They storm Amazon's website and rate down the negative reviews which point by point address the issues people have with this book. Instead of addressing those problems. And clearly many of his followers did not read the book either. Something they keep accusing fans of.

Add to that Sullivan's media connections.

It's clear to me that Sullivan and his publisher are now trying to use these negative reviews for their advantage and make Sullivan out to be some kind of victim.

Instead of attacking the people who dared to use their right to free speech to criticize his book, why don't the media focus on the very legitimate problems with Sullivan's book? Why is it OK to write books about someone with demonstrable lies but it's not OK to criticize that book? It seems to me that some journalists are perfectly OK with publicly trashing someone but can't take the heat if they are criticized themselves for the bad work they have done.

It made me smile when I read Sullivan's publisher hoped for a bestseller but instead they sold 3000 copies. LOL. But since they hoped for so much more, and no doubt, invested in it, I guess they will try everything to bring it back from the grave. The new strategy seems to be trying to appeal to the general public by articles like that above, portraying the whole fiasco as some kind of "suppression of free speech" by "crazy, rabid fans" and thus make it interesting for the general public. The trick may work on some people, but not many people will buy it who are otherwise not interested in Michael.
 
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It made me smile when I read Sullivan's publisher hoped for a bestseller but instead they sold 3000 copies. LOL. But since they hoped for so much more, and no doubt, invested in it, I guess they will try everything to bring it back from the grave. The new strategy seems to be trying to appeal to the general public by articles like that above, portraying the whole fiasco as some kind of "suppression of free speech" by "crazy, rabid fans" and thus make it interesting for the general public. The trick may work on some people, but not many people will buy it who are otherwise not interested in Michael.

Unfortunately for Sullivan and his publishing company, they cannot save this book of fiction from sinking. Its too late.
I don't think reviews in Amazon make up a lot in big picture. He has gone on telly and has had some tabloid interviews, in which he gives out some "juicy" bits of his book, which in my opinion was bad mistake.
People saw beforehand what was going to be on the book of fiction, and to be honest, 3 years after Michael's passing, no book of him is going to be success if it is full of crap. We fans and just casual readers have digested 20 years of crap, so did they honestly think we crave more of it? Haven't people already heard everything what was there about Michael, except the truth?
They may have sold more if they had advertised Sullivan's book as fiction, but they went for factual biography, thus the bad reviews.
As for publishing company, Grove Press , there is room for factual biography of Michael that potentially could be best-seller, but it has to be factual. As for books that I will by in the future, I'm going to make sure that none of them are published by Grove Press.

3000 books sold? Huh!
Lets say 500 fans wanted to read it themselves before commenting it, that then leaves 2500 other people who purchased it, which is still very small number in global scale.
If he had written a factual biography, he would have sold 3000 in one day.



It made me smile when I read Sullivan's publisher hoped for a bestseller but instead they sold 3000 copies. LOL. But since they hoped for so much more, and no doubt, invested in it, I guess they will try everything to bring it back from the grave. The new strategy seems to be trying to appeal to the general public by articles like that above, portraying the whole fiasco as some kind of "suppression of free speech" by "crazy, rabid fans" and thus make it interesting for the general public. The trick may work on some people, but not many people will buy it who are otherwise not interested in Michael.

If that is their new tactic, I don't see it will help sell much more books.
Personally if I read there is some sort of campaign to drown 1 book, I might read the article, but it doesn't make me to run out and buy the book if I'm not interested in subject.
 
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I agree. It's clearly overstated how influential the Amazon reviews are. People aren't buying books only on Amazon and people aren't buying books based only on reviews.

The campaign that Sullivan's team launched has been much more wide-spread than a few reviews on Amazon. Like the article says:

With “Untouchable,” Grove had hopes for a modest best seller. The book was excerpted in Vanity Fair, and Mr. Sullivan, a longtime contributor to Rolling Stone who lives in Portland, Ore., promoted it on “Nightline” and “Good Morning America.” Amazon selected it as one of the best books of November, encouraging readers to “check out this train wreck of a life.” The retailer also selected it as one of the 100 best e-books of the year.

Really? A few reviews can compete with such a nation-wide campaign?

Sullivan and his publisher are insulting people's intelligence when they think they cannot make up their mind about a book based on the book's and author's merit. Let's take the Vanity Fair article, for example.
How convincing did it make Sullivan and his "research" when he kept calling John Branca Frank Branca in it? And frankly, the whole article looked like a badly written conspiracy theory. Maybe people are just not interested in such crap any more.
 
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"In an interview, Mr. Sullivan asked: “Should people be allowed to make flagrantly false comments about the content of a book or its author? This is suppression of free speech in the name of free speech.”

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I'm surprised that Sullivan doesn't see anything wrong when he says that out loud, hypocrite.

He thinks he is allowed to say/write lies of the person in the name of the freedom of the speech, but he doesn't want to extend the same courtesy for others if they write or say something about himself? Delusional much!
 
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Yeah, he says people shouldn't be allowed to write reviews if they haven't read the book.

I wonder why it's okay for him to write about autopsy reports when he hasn't even properly read the actual reports?

Sullivan epitomizes to me everything about Rolling Stone journalism: white, straight, middle aged, arrogant, condescending and completely self involved.

He spends his time writing about something he clearly had no interest in, like suddenly choosing to write about a huge news story in a foreign country because everyone else is, without taking the time to learn the language, customs, history or speaking to any of the people who really did live there - he believes that just by being who he is he has supreme knowledge over people who have lived through events or who have spent years meticulously documenting the history. He is white, he is male, he is Rolling Stone; his judgement must be innate and superior. He doesn't need to spend time worrying about facts, if he believes something is true it's because it must be true.

The fans are labelled "fanatics" and dismissed, he can claim there's some silly campaign against him and win, because just like his no-nose theories, people will assume it's true without giving it much thought. Of course Michael Jackson fans have to do campaigns like this, they must believe we try and suppress information all the time about MJ because obviously there's so much to suppress.

Look at the current top reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1KHC3...TF8&ASIN=080211962X&nodeID=283155&store=books
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2XEF5...TF8&ASIN=080211962X&nodeID=283155&store=books
http://www.amazon.com/review/R3BB5I...211962X&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=#wasThisHelpful

Why would anyone want to read a book about that? Why would Sullivan think this will make the fans rally around to enjoy his book? This whole idea "Jackson is so weird; therefore everything about him must be true" is the reason this book is such a pathetic mess. It's illogical, it's silly, it's childish. But it's the only way to justify his book. It means you don't need to research anything, you don't have to care about the content, all you have to do is say he's weird and you can cash your cheque and go home.

He continues to alienate people. The fans are completely shut down from him at this point. We will be aware of any news stories he gives about the Jacksons in the future, which I'm sure he will because he'll get money for it, and we'll be there to remind him that he has no credibility and needs to let the MJ thing go.

I know Deborah Kunesh seems to be working on a rather fawning review/interview of his, as he's attempting to still use the MJ fans to try and get support and sales while at the same time insulting us at every level, but I've lost respect for anyone who can't see Sullivan and his ilk for who they are.
 
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Where are all these people coming from? Hmm, I wonder!

Since I posted last night, another 8 people have downvoted these two reviews:

142 of 209 people found the following review helpful
145 of 220 people found the following review helpful

121 of 180 people found the following review helpful
124 of 188 people found the following review helpful


Both haven't been on the front page for most of the day, so where are all the negative reviews coming from? Not from people browsing, it has to be from people directed to downvote every 1 star review.

It's a blatant campaign. And the annoying mindless New York Times readers who came to the book obviously want to provoke the fans by writing more negative degrading reviews just to upset us.

See, Sullivan actually has the possibility of holding "campaigns"; the fans only raise these issues in forums and facebooks and twitters. We do not have the privileges Sullivan does.
 
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What pisses my off it that Sullivan is getting free pass for writing a bad book.
There are millions of other authors that has written book which is un-readable or full of crap as much Sullivan's. They have no voice to claim that there is some sort of campaign behind because their book is not selling.
There are books written of F Mercury, Elvis, M Monroe, Lennon and many more,which all have bad reviews and more 1 star reviews than 5 star ones. Why haven't these other authors jumped and started claiming it is all amazon's fault for allowing bad reviews?
Maybe it is because they are genuinely bad books, and maybe Sullivan should think about maybe his book too is genuinely bad one.

la_cianage, you are right with this one:
"his judgement must be innate and superior"
and this one:
"arrogant, condescending and completely self involved"

That's what I think of Sullivan. He thinks, my books is great, so everybody else must be wrong.


See, Sullivan actually has the possibility of holding "campaigns"; the fans only raise these issues in forums and facebooks and twitters. We do not have the privileges Sullivan does.

We do, don't buy it.
No campaign can save his book. He can have all the campaign his heart desires, but to make people actually buy his book is whole another thing.
Him and his publishing company can hire all the people they like to write positive reviews of his book to Amazon, that doesn't make people to buy his book. He might sell few hundred more, but I doubt all 3500 copies sold covers the royalties that Grove paid to Sullivan upfront:D and that might be the reason of this sudden ad campaign. Grove may have over-estimated how many books they are going to sell and gave too much of royalties to Sullivan upfront. Sullivan's book didn't sell well at all, and now he doesn't have money to pay royalties back.
 
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Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable"

^^ All this won't help to sell his book though. Some NY Times readers may have fun with upsetting fans on the Internet, but that doesn't mean they will care enough to actually buy his book. In a week they will forget about it altogether.

Funny, how all those NY Times commenters criticize this alleged "fan campaign" under an article which says many fans reviewed the book without reading it: how many of these NY Times commenters who know go to Amazon to comment read the book?
 
Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable"

There are books written of F Mercury, Elvis, M Monroe, Lennon and many more,which all have bad reviews and more 1 star reviews than 5 star ones. Why haven't these other authors jumped and started claiming it is all amazon's fault for allowing bad reviews?
Maybe it is because they are genuinely bad books, and maybe Sullivan should think about maybe his book too is genuinely bad one..

He and his publisher obviously hoped for cashing-in on it big time. They expected it to be a bestseller. That's why their disappointment and desperation is so big. Just think about it: he has a TV show on Oprah's channel. He was a Rolling Stone journalist. He's very well-connected within the media. He appeared on TV shows. Magazines published extracts from his book. He has every mean at his disposal to promote his book. (Means that people like Geraldine Hughes or Aprhodite Jones or Lisa Campbell never got!) He's working on it for three years. Yet, it flopped. Imagine the disappointment! And now he's blaming everyone but himself. Unfortunately he has the means to do it very publicly. He doesn't realize that further alienating fans won't help him one bit.

It's like you manifacture something and buyers don't care and you throw a tantrum and call everyone stupid for not caring. How does it look? That's exactly how Sullivan looks too.


By the way, even if one doesn't realize the many lies and inaccuracies in the book, it's badly written. He's not a very talented journalist, IMO.

ETA: As for the sock-puppet problem the article mentions. What about all the newly registered Sullivan fans who never reviewed anything else on Amazon? Aren't those suspicious of being sock-puppets? Only fans? One thing I realized is that people tend to accuse others of doing things that they are doing...
 
Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable"

It really isn't helping with the book sales, it's still dragging along in the 25,000s and the Kindle is up in the 200,000ths. Not exactly a boom. The reviewers are obviously aiming to take target at MJ fans, and not the book.

http://www.amazon.com/Untouchable-S...iewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

They're still trying though.

If anyone here leaves a review make sure it contains info which shows why this book is full of errors, make sure you specify all the faults and problems in it - the story about Mark Mark, Debbie never dating until the age of 30, Lisa Marie divorcing MJ because she didn't want his kids and then marrying him because she wanted his kids, then giving up on him when she realized Debbie was pregnant though she also only got interested in him when Debbie was pregnant, how he says Jordan Chandler has two younger brothers when he doesn't, how he quotes Blanca Francia saying MJ didn't want to be black - ask why Sullivan chose not to use her name, was it because he knew it would reveal a bias?, how he claims there are public documents which show MJ is not the father of his kids when these documents don't exist, how MJ has never told fans he was the father of Omer, that Terry George did in fact sell his story to The Sun and the DA/LAPD didn't find him credible, how he seems oblivious to the fact that Ray Chandler was subpoeaned by Jackson in 2004....

There are so many errors. Make sure to mention them when reviewing.
 
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