Randall Sullivan's book "Untouchable"

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I stumbled across the TMez video on somebody's twitter. After I watched it I thought 'wow, I have to get it'. I bought it on Kindle and got about 20% through before giving up in disgust at the amount of tabloid regurgitation, falseness and inaccuracy. Needless to say, I deleted it. Then I came to the forum to find out what people are saying about it here. I really wish I had come to the forum first, and saved myself the money and the time
 
Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable"

I stumbled across the TMez video on somebody's twitter. After I watched it I thought 'wow, I have to get it'. I bought it on Kindle and got about 20% through before giving up in disgust at the amount of tabloid regurgitation, falseness and inaccuracy. Needless to say, I deleted it. Then I came to the forum to find out what people are saying about it here. I really wish I had come to the forum first, and saved myself the money and the time

Can you return it and get a refund or exchange it for something else?
 
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Slightly OT but the amazon.com editorial review of this book got me curious about how exactly they select these reviewers. I assumed that they would pick the most positive ones since they are a storefront that is trying to sell as much product as possible but some of the editorial reviews for Michael's actual albums are pretty shocking. Their review of the Bad album describes it as the 3rd best of his first 3 epic solo albums and goes on described the history album as "curdled".

If Sulivan's publishers can shell out the money to get amazon to post positive editorial reviews for his book, then Michael's record label can certainly chip in to get a decent editorial review on those albums.
 
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unfortunately, it's the #1 MJ book on Amazon (with Vogel's book being #2) but #68 overall in music biographies so that's good

folks, go buy Vogel's book, Moonwalk, Frank Cascio and Jermaine's books instead! LOL
 
Michael Jackson’s legacy is “Untouchable”


Meticulous details can't mask the insight lacking in this portrait of one of the most important figures of my youth


By Jacqueline Woodson


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By the time he was two-and-a-half years old, my son was obsessed with Michael Jackson — belting out garbled lyrics to “Billie Jean,” dancing along to “Smooth Criminal” and “Bad,” warning us about how scary “Thriller” was. His obsession made sense to me because Michael Jackson made sense. I had been a child of the late 1960s and ’70s, growing up in the Bushwick section of Brooklyn (the old Bushwick, not the one where white people now live). I grew up on the end of White Flight (the last white family left our block in 1971) in the land of the splendidly rounded afro, where the chants of the Black Panthers and the Young Lords flowed from our tongues not because we understood their enormity, but because they rhymed and felt powerful. We saw ourselves reflected back in the works of Nikki Giovanni and Pedro Pietri. We could be the next Shirley Chisholm or Hermon Badillo. “Say it loud,” James Brown screamed out to us. “I’m black and I’m proud.” Nina Simone told us we were young, gifted and black. Jesse Jackson commanded us to say “I AM Somebody!” And we were. And Michael Jackson represented all our fabulosity wrapped up in one small boy and his brothers.

My mother migrated from South Carolina in 1968 and found a freedom in New York she could never feel back home. But the South stayed with her – in the salted peanuts and pound cakes relatives sent, in the slow Southern lilt of her words and whenever the issue of race got talked about. Which was often. On weekends, she picked out her afro wig, sprayed it with Afro Sheen Holding Hair Spray and sat it on its Styrofoam holder, her own short, natural hair now free for 48 hours.

When Michael Jackson and his brothers showed up on the television screen, my sister and I kissed the glass while my brothers practiced the group’s smooth moves behind us and my mother looked on in proud, quiet adoration. On the rare occasions our mother let us watch an Elvis Presley movie, we knew better than to go near the screen. It was simply by the grace of having a television with only six working channels and a rainy weekend day that he was even allowed inside our house. Over and over again, we heard how Elvis had been quoted as saying the only thing a black person could do for him was shine his shoes. We had been lectured ad nauseam about how he’d stolen our moves, our style of singing, even a song or two or three. He was deeply unloved in our house and in many houses in our predominantly black and Latino community. But my sister and I secretly loved him. The difference was, we loved Elvis from a distance. We knew we’d never meet him, knew he’d never look us in the eye and truly see us. We knew the girls he loved on and off screen were not Black and Beautiful – as we were being taught we were. We knew Elvis would not understand our amazingness. We knew he was different. But it didn’t matter. We had Michael. Michael Jackson and his brothers looked into that camera and saw us. His skin was brown like ours. His hair was thick and natural the way ours was. His clothes were, if we could have afforded them, clothes we would have worn. And in our small place in the universe, our family had an even deeper connection. The Jackson Five, it was rumored, like us, were Jehovah’s Witnesses. At a time when our conservative, misunderstood (even by us) religion was something that set my sister and brothers and I far apart from even our closest friends, here we were watching a superstar who believed in Armageddon, the resurrection, the New World, Jehovah. Here was an idol who was not allowed to celebrate birthdays or holidays, who, when he was not on the road, probably had to sit through the same Monday evening bible studies, Sunday morning Watchtower studies, Thursday night Ministry School and the short prayer “Thank you, Jehovah, for this food and all other blessings, through your son, Christ Jesus. Amen” before every meal. The possibility of one day being in the same place with Michael Jackson, either in this world or the next one, made amazing sense to us. After all, it was a part of God’s plan. Or so we thought.

But the years passed.
We grew up and away from the religion. We came out or stayed closeted, went on to college or got jobs out of high school. As we took steps out into the world, we had “Black Is Beautiful” and “Boriqua Forever” deeply ingrained in our blood, and our sense of who we could be and were becoming made us bold and moved us forward. As Michael Jackson changed physically, so did we. We gained weight or didn’t, grew breasts, straightened our hair, tweezed our eyebrows. And even though we had been taught that “Black Don’t Crack” — that the melanin in our skin kept the wrinkles away and that only white people did crazy things like plastic surgery — some of us had a little work done around the eyes, permanently straightened our hair, took a little fat off the hips and stomachs, narrowed our noses just a touch. We did not want to be white or even “less black.” We wanted to be a little bit different.
As young adults, we did not know the deep history of Michael’s physical abuse and did not understand the trauma of his childhood. While we looked into the mirrors of our future selves through the people who had come before us, Michael looked at us. And to him, millions of people screaming must have reflected nothing more to him than a future only slightly dimmer than his past. As a child growing up with the abusive Joe Jackson as a father, who was the parent imprinting the depth of his beauty? Who was his crew of friends telling him how amazing he was, deeply knowing him and meaning it?

As a community of color, we saw the tragic impact of the world through Michael’s ever-changing face and eyes. He had seemed so lucky as a little boy on that black-and-white television screen of our childhoods. Now, we were realizing, we were the lucky ones. That while those in the world who could never truly know us labeled our community ghetto and called us underprivileged (later to be replaced with “underserved” and finally, just plain “urban”), we were being shielded and coddled by parents who were going to make sure our sense of beauty and worth would be felt all the way to our marrow.

This is why when I read the title of Randy Sullivan’s exhaustive and exhausting biography, “Untouchable: The Strange Life and Tragic Death of Michael Jackson,” I was already put off. Whose life isn’t strange? Whose death isn’t tragic? What kind of outside gaze could come up with such unsympathetic title? How could Randy know anything if he didn’t sit, as we did, in front of that TV screen as the world of Black and White and what it meant to be a child of color inside that world settled over us. And years later, when white people asked me how do I explain “white” Michael Jackson to my children, I answered “What’s there to explain?” Because anyone who has spent a minute in this country knows one can’t “become white.” Michael Jackson’s was an amazing performer with a devastating past who had no mirrors with which to see his beautiful self and thus wanted to change the face I loved as a child. He was no less black. No less Michael. At least, not to the people who really saw him.

Sullivan brings an amazing amount of detail to the biography. Ask me about Michael’s childhood bedroom. I can tell you now. Ask me about Jackson’s lawyers, lawsuits, hangers-on and addictions to benzos. I know it. Ask me about his spending habits, and allies, and enemies, and allies-turned-enemies. Ask me about Michael and his kids going to Las Vegas and leaving Las Vegas and how they traveled and the size of their hotel rooms. Yet I found myself disengaged and downright bored by the minutiae. It felt as if Sullivan realized very early on that he had no clue about who Jackson really was, and rather than figure this out (and maybe even talk a little bit about what it means to be a white man writing about a black man), he attempted to fill the holes in with tiny, unnecessary details. Page after page after page of them.

And because every detail is meticulously penned and reported with such an unexamined lack of empathy or self-reflection, by the time I got to the middle of the book, I no longer wanted it in my house. It did not deepen or lessen my feelings for or understanding of Michael Jackson. Yes, there are 601 pages in this book, followed by another 175 pages of notes and acknowledgements. To some, this might seem important – that someone would want to spend this much time and paper investigating a life. What saddens me is that Sullivan seems to have missed the most important part of that life – that it changed and continues to change the lives of people of color around the world.

My son is nearly five now, and although he has outgrown his Michael Jackson obsession, whenever one of Jackson’s songs come on, he stops whatever he’s doing and looks off as he listens to the words. When ask him if he’s going to sing along, he sometimes does; other times, he says, “I’m just listening.” Maybe he already knows what Sullivan never learned – that Michael Jackson’s story, like his music, is inherently understood by those who truly listen. And for those who do, no other explanation is needed.

Jacqueline Woodson is a two-time National Book Award Finalist and the recipient of three Newbery Honors and the Los Angeles Times Book Prize. Her most recent books are "Beneath a Meth Moon" and "Each Kindness," which was a School Library Journal best book of 2012. Follow her on Twitter @JackieWoodson More Jacqueline Woodson.

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/15/michael_jacksons_legacy_is_untouchable/singleton/
 
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Wow, and it's a Salon writer writing that. Salon writers are normally some of the smug condescending worst when it comes to Michael.

Anyway, I hope she realizes a lot of what she's read is not true and rests upon liars and lies, so she shouldn't be assuming any of that is what really happened.

But I feel like I said before, that I think people are starting to realize there's a disconnect between the Michael in this book and the Michael they see in Bad25, in This Is It, the Michael his real friends speak about, cry about, the Michael his wives and children talk about. That Michael doesn't exist in those pages. I think it's like what happened with me when I first read Taraborrelli's book after MJ passed after fans kept telling me to, and I came away from it totally depressed, but only because the fans kept telling me it was the truth and JRT was a fan of Michael's, but even though I didn't know enough back then I knew it felt "wrong", it felt like there was something missing and wrong in the pages, I just didn't know what.

I'm also glad she also picked up on how it's a white guy writing about a black man and trying to talk about his racial issues, and he seems to not have the capacity to understand why that means he's really just talking more about the white POV of Michael, and not about his real issues.
 
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unfortunately, it's the #1 MJ book on Amazon (with Vogel's book being #2) but #68 overall in music biographies so that's good

folks, go buy Vogel's book, Moonwalk, Frank Cascio and Jermaine's books instead! LOL

When did this happen when he was so low on the list. Sometimes I wonder about Michael's fans. Are we buying anything with his name on it?
 
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Reading the comments on the article and can't help to wonder if the person by the name Scottabe is Diane Dimond? :crazy Sure does read like her style of attack! Ignoring the truth and trying to sound all high and mighty! Giveing away that they had some kind of personal involvement in the allegations, saying things like they know and talked to certain people. Mmmmmm Well, whomever that person may be, they are a very sad individual with a lot of hate and poison in their heart! Who is very pissed off they didn't get what they wanted. So sad too bad! lol
 
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Reading the comments on the article and can't help to wonder if the person by the name Scottabe is Diane Dimond? :crazy Sure does read like her style of attack! Ignoring the truth and trying to sound all high and mighty! Giveing away that they had some kind of personal involvement in the allegations, saying things like that know and talk to certain people. Mmmmmm Well, whomever that person may be, they are a very sad individual with a lot of hate and poison in their heart! Who is very pissed off they didn't get what they wanted. So sad too bad! lol


Wouldnt surprise me if that is diane dimwit that is her style
 
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Bill Wyman has an article called THE PALE KING MICHAEL JACKSON'S AMBIGUOUS LEGACY. He write for THE NEW YORKER. He up holds randall sullivan's book.
 
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Bill Wyman has an article called THE PALE KING MICHAEL JACKSON'S AMBIGUOUS LEGACY. He write for THE NEW YORKER. He up holds randall sullivan's book.

Well of course he would. Look at the terrible title of his own article.
 
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Bill Wyman has an article called THE PALE KING MICHAEL JACKSON'S AMBIGUOUS LEGACY. He write for THE NEW YORKER. He up holds randall sullivan's book.

Looks like it went out this morning, and his book is still selling like a wet rag.
 
Some of Bill Wyman's BS, lifted from Sullivan. Can't read the whole pos article b/c of paywall.


"One of the cruelties of stardom is that you never know when you’ve reached your apogee. For Jackson, decline set in almost as soon as “Thriller” fell out of the No. 1 spot, in April, 1984.

Sullivan’s biography details thoroughly both the bad decisions that led Jackson to ruin and the increasingly foggy world from which he made them. Jackson, perhaps seeking to erase from his body the face of the father who beat him, underwent multiple plastic surgeries. He fell out of step with the world of pop music, which, with the rise of hip-hop, had embraced black musicians who were proudly black, and decidedly uningratiating to whites. His experiments in sexual liminality were troubling; he fell deep into debt through staggering financial profligacy and wrongheadedness."

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2012/12/24/121224crbo_books_wyman#ixzz2FNBHskg3
 
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Some of Bill Wyman's BS, lifted from Sullivan. Can't read the whole pos article b/c of paywall.


"One of the cruelties of stardom is that you never know when you’ve reached your apogee. For Jackson, decline set in almost as soon as “Thriller” fell out of the No. 1 spot, in April, 1984.

Sullivan’s biography details thoroughly both the bad decisions that led Jackson to ruin and the increasingly foggy world from which he made them. Jackson, perhaps seeking to erase from his body the face of the father who beat him, underwent multiple plastic surgeries. He fell out of step with the world of pop music, which, with the rise of hip-hop, had embraced black musicians who were proudly black, and decidedly uningratiating to whites. His experiments in sexual liminality were troubling; he fell deep into debt through staggering financial profligacy and wrongheadedness."

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2012/12/24/121224crbo_books_wyman#ixzz2FNBHskg3

It's indeed the New Yorker. Their cartoons are hilarious (probably something Michael himself would enjoy, very funny stuff), they are great on recommending Opera and awesome little Jazz places in NYC and have a wonderful weekly piece of fiction... but MJ, I can't see him getting anything in there, I read it for years, so I am not surprised. That one they should have indeed published as "fiction".
 
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In the grand scheme, these books will never hold up. In the coming years, they won't matter whereas Moonwalk, Dancing The Dream, Man In The Music, For The Record, and other WAY BETTER books will be more respected and sought after
 
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^^I see Sullivan's friends are still promoting his book in their writings, but their efforts are not helping book sales only alienating potential buyers, who are Michael's fans. When will they realize that? They need to give up. Further, there is nothing ambiguous about Michael's legacy otherwise his estate would not be pulling in all that money. Notice the way the writer from the New Yorker attempts to create friction between Black artists by bringing in the notion of the rap artists embracing blackness, so Michael was supposed to be contrary to that. He is still promoting Sullivan's agenda.
 
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unfortunately, it's the #1 MJ book on Amazon (with Vogel's book being #2) but #68 overall in music biographies so that's good
I don't know why Michael Bush' book is not on that list. Untouchable is#13,212 in books and The King of Style is #11,488 so it's number 1 MJ book.
 
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The scariest thing: My brother just gave me Untouchable for a Christmas gift at the table. As soon as I saw the word I told him to take it back. He wanted to know why and I had to explain about Randall, the sources and facts/nonfacts. He promised to return it and bring me some more BAD material. Poor thing he knows I adore Michael and thought that this book would be a nice gift. I guess things like this is always happening to Michael fans.
 
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^Oh my... well yea that does happen a lot I'm sure. Cause if u ain't a MJ fan u wouldn't really know what's goin on. That's how the media gets away with so much crap. But, glad to hear he promised to return it for u. =)
 
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The scariest thing: My brother just gave me Untouchable for a Christmas gift at the table. As soon as I saw the word I told him to take it back. He wanted to know why and I had to explain about Randall, the sources and facts/nonfacts. He promised to return it and bring me some more BAD material. Poor thing he knows I adore Michael and thought that this book would be a nice gift. I guess things like this is always happening to Michael fans.

Well done! That's the spirit right there.

I guess in future your bro will be thinking twice before considering an MJ item as a gift.
 
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^^I see Sullivan's friends are still promoting his book in their writings, but their efforts are not helping book sales only alienating potential buyers, who are Michael's fans. When will they realize that? They need to give up. Further, there is nothing ambiguous about Michael's legacy otherwise his estate would not be pulling in all that money. Notice the way the writer from the New Yorker attempts to create friction between Black artists by bringing in the notion of the rap artists embracing blackness, so Michael was supposed to be contrary to that. He is still promoting Sullivan's agenda.

I think the real target is the general public. think about it. Sullivan's a part of an industry (media) that has vowed for the past 2 decades for the ultimate destruction of anything MJ. when MJ was alive, they worked non-stop through endless series of manufactured scandals, persecution, and ridicule to actually eliminate him. once that's been achieved, their focus has changed. it's now about destroying his legacy at all costs. so this book is just one instrument used for that purpose - we just saw the drivers license fiasco, and trust me many more are being planned for future release.

They're really not counting on fans because they know fans won't touch it. however it's about raising disdain towards his legacy, poisoning public opinion, shaping it to an extend that sub-consciously people only perceive him as a damaged legacy, and so invest less in keeping his legacy alive or honoring it.
 
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The scariest thing: My brother just gave me Untouchable for a Christmas gift at the table. As soon as I saw the word I told him to take it back. He wanted to know why and I had to explain about Randall, the sources and facts/nonfacts. He promised to return it and bring me some more BAD material. Poor thing he knows I adore Michael and thought that this book would be a nice gift. I guess things like this is always happening to Michael fans.

Oh no but i guess it was the thought that counts even though that book is not good
Im surprised no one in my family gave me that for xmas this year
 
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I think the real target is the general public. think about it. Sullivan's a part of an industry (media) that has vowed for the past 2 decades for the ultimate destruction of anything MJ. when MJ was alive, they worked non-stop through endless series of manufactured scandals, persecution, and ridicule to actually eliminate him. once that's been achieved, their focus has changed. it's now about destroying his legacy at all costs. so this book is just one instrument used for that purpose - we just saw the drivers license fiasco, and trust me many more are being planned for future release.

They're really not counting on fans because they know fans won't touch it. however it's about raising disdain towards his legacy, poisoning public opinion, shaping it to an extend that sub-consciously people only perceive him as a damaged legacy, and so invest less in keeping his legacy alive or honoring it.

I agree with much of it, but I think Sullivan and his publisher miscalculated themselves on this book. It would have sold in 2009, maybe even in 2010, regardless of fans' opinion about it, because at the time the general public was still much in that hype generated by Michael's death. But that time has passed by now, so the general public's interest in MJ books declined. The market for MJ books is now mainly MJ fans. And they won't accept crap. I hope this is a warning sign for anyone who plans to publish MJ books in the future.
 
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I think the real target is the general public. think about it. Sullivan's a part of an industry (media) that has vowed for the past 2 decades for the ultimate destruction of anything MJ. when MJ was alive, they worked non-stop through endless series of manufactured scandals, persecution, and ridicule to actually eliminate him. once that's been achieved, their focus has changed. it's now about destroying his legacy at all costs. so this book is just one instrument used for that purpose - we just saw the drivers license fiasco, and trust me many more are being planned for future release.

The bolded part is actually the scariest thing!
 
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I think the last sales boom Sullivan could've expected was Christmas, with unknowing people buying this book for fans they knew as gifts. He had told fans of his last book about that religious thing, that he was wanting his book to be the most talked about book over the Christmas period. He's either a huge egomaniac or deeply naive, or maybe just both.

But right now the paperback is up in the 1,000,000th tier on Amazon and the Kindle/Hardback is in the 20,000th.

It really is a big flop. His book failed big time, and the reviews on Amazon and the negative reaction fans have to him will haunt him. I know if I see his name involved in any other project I'll cringe and feel the need to let people know not to trust him. And really, that's how it should be. People shouldn't be allowed to get away with this kind of journalism anymore.
 
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A review that adresses many of the issues concerning fans that was wrong about Sullivans book

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Archaic - time travel back into tabloids of the 90s, November 11, 2012
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Katerina



This review is from: Untouchable: The Strange Life and Tragic Death of Michael Jackson (Hardcover)
How is it possible to write a book and already have it considered out of date by information that has been released over 2 years before it was published? It's a good question, and one I'd raise to both Randall, his publisher and the people who've excerpted his story all over their tabloids (where Randall's info mostly originates).

Any book which now proclaims that Michael did not have a nose, insinuates he bleached his skin recreationally, hems and haws over his innocence, claims Michael hated his race or claims Michael didn't have relationships with women is frankly anachronistic. There is much publicly available information which sheds light on all of that - none of which is covered here. Michael's autopsy report is publicly available, why is that not used as a source for the information about his nose and instead misatributed quotes from The Sun are presented as though they are fact? It would seem to me that Randall didn't even look at the autopsy report but got distracted by some tabloid recreation of it back in the days after his death and failed to research beyond that point. He goes on for pages about this supposed Bobby Driscoll's prosthetic nose he imagines Michael had, all of it entirely fictional and so absurd that I wondered at the degree of shame the author lacked in its recounting, at no point in this fictional nose nonsense did he seem to stop and reconsider how he was making himself sound ridiculous with this obsession, and not Michael. His nose is right there in his autopsy; and yet here he writes almost 4 pages about a fake nose that never existed. But it goes to show how absolutely anything goes with Michael and Sullivan - it seems there is no tabloid story too crazy or wild that Sullivan doesn't believe has a degree of truth in it. The Michael here is a monsterized version of tabloid literature come to life.

-- He now claims the autopsy not revealing a prosthetic is based on the fact that Michael removed it at night. I'm not sure if he's aware but in the autopsy photos Michael clearly still has his nose, and neither the coroner, the bodyguards, paramedics, or even Murray ever mentioned the lack of a nose in their reports. Did Mike keep this jar of noses by his bed? At what point during the day would it be glued on? Why have none of these noses ever gotten out? Mike left his phone everywhere, almost his entire life has been ransacked and paraded for show, but his detachable take-it-off-at-night-nose never went missing? None of the thieves around him ever bothered to run off with it to Ebay? Wouldn't these fake noses be worth bazillions? Why weren't they photographed by the crime scene photographers? Cited anywhere by anyone involved that day? Did it manage to re-attach itself to him during death for the photos? How exciting for it. It's also at odds with the original description in his book of how the coroner had to cut away the prosthetic (coroner never says this). Either he had it in the autopsy or he didn't; either way, we can clearly see in death his nose was with him, the coroner did not mention this lack of a nose and the nose seen there was the one he was normally seen with, i.e. this prosthetic nose business has absolutely no basis in reality.

-- As a further death knell to this issue, which should never have been an issue, a fan contacted the LA County Coroner's office, and they responded, "As far as Mr. Sullivan's book information he might have a copy of the [autopsy] report since it is a matter of public record, however I can assure you that he does not have the autopsy photos or other photos involving Mr. Jackson. The photos have been secured, and the location is only known to two of us that have them. I can tell you that Mr. Jackson did in fact have a nose and that it was nothing like described by Mr. Sullivan. I guess he just wants to sell books..." In a few days a fan was capable of getting more proper confirmation and info than the 3 years Sullivan spent on this book.

He uses a quote from Taraborrelli's biography to claim Michael started bleaching in the 70s with his sister LaToya. Of course no source are named, and it's easily debunked as Toya has always been naturally very light skinned (their father Joe Jackson has green eyes because his mother is biracial and his father is listed as mulatto, as are all Michael's grandparents.) These stories about Michael's skin have been going on since the 80s because of his skin disorder, with the media seeking to fill in the blanks to explain the lightness in his skin for him, but when his vitiligo became public it should've illuminated many people on how easy it is to lie and perpetuate the lie about him, but instead Sullivan seems to lack any common sense and can't see what is obvious in hindsight. Or like the nose, was it that he just liked the idea of Michael hating his race so much he just couldn't let it go? Does he not ask himself why it's only the people who have something against Michael who claim he hated his race and bleached his skin (Blanca Francia, Stacy Brown, Bob Jones) and not people he was really close to? That he let his children be raised by an African woman and insisted on ensuring they were raised well versed in African history and that besides his mother he wanted a black woman raising them (Diana Ross)? He kept hundreds of books on black history, literature and photography, including many just dedicated to black women. His daughter even says, "I'm black and I'm proud of it." Obvious questions go unasked and unanswered here.

He claims Michael Jackson was a virgin, a moment in the book where I audibly laughed - a reaction I'm sure his ex wives and girlfriends would also share on such news. Even if he couldn't find people around them willing to speak, Randall should've perhaps taken note of those two G spot articles the police found amongst his things in 2003? Lisa Marie is quoted here as saying Michael was "somewhat asexual", you'd think with the way he presented this remark that this was a damning comment about their sex life: no, in reality she had been asked about his physical appearance, and that was her description. This is the kind of casual misquoting and omitting of information Randall does throughout his book. If it doesn't fit in with what he needs, he ignores it or re-contextualizes it. None of Lisa Marie's other remarks are included here (he made the moves on her, she wouldn't have married him if the sex wasn't good). He believes Bob Jones and the Neverland 5 (successfully countersued; exposed as liars on the stand) who claim nothing happened between Michael and Lisa, even though they had obvious agendas against Michael, were seeking to profit from the scandal, had left their jobs before they'd even married and were thoroughly discredited as witnesses (their testimony is like reading a surrealistic comedy); but we must forget, those are his best sources here. He even makes the ridiculous claim that Lisa Marie wanted out of their supposedly fake marriage as she didn't want to have his kids - but then claims Lisa only wanted him back because she wanted his artificially inseminated kids. Which is it? Even more bizarrely he claims that Lisa Marie only wanted him back once she'd learned Debbie had become pregnant, which would be in November 1996, but then he claims that Lisa Marie gave up on Michael after the story broke about Debbie, which would be in November 1996. Does he not realize how ridiculous that is to write? -- He's now claiming Lisa Marie and Michael may have "sexual contact", but suggests Lisa doesn't really know what sex is. That must be a real shocker to Mike who was trying to have a baby with her. He says that only Lisa can say if Mike was a virgin - that's funny, she's repeatedly confirmed they've had sex.

He claims that Debbie has never said she's had sex with him. This isn't true. The only reason we know Debbie's name is because in the News of the World exclusive in 1996 which broke the story, a journalist had befriended her undercover for 2 months while she was pregnant, this is what they taped her saying: "We started by fooling around a bit and the next thing we knew we were doing it. We knew we were going to try for a baby." And taped again undercover in 1997: "I can't wait to see him again. We're going to stay all day and night in bed - I can't wait." He claims Michael's kids didn't know who Debbie was until after his death. This is untrue, Paris has said that Michael would talk to them about Debbie. She also didn't only meet him when Michael "spilled bleaching agents on his scrotum," in early 93, she met him in 1981. The confidentiality agreement she signed after the divorce where she agreed not to talk about him or the kids in public was there to protect him, the kids, in case she wanted to hurt him in the future, and to protect Debbie from herself, as she'd already been caught speaking about both unawares before, it does not say anywhere Michael is not the father - Debbie and Debbie's custody lawyer have repeatedly stated he was.

He claims Sneddon had 5 victims who were going to show up and testify for him, and only one did (Jason Francia; could go down as "the one the juror's laughed at"), Jordan refused to testify against Michael, he was prepared to go to court in order not to have to testify. Randall doesn't say that the other 3 supposed victims? Absolutely testified. They were the defense's first witnesses; Wade, Brett, Mac. Randall also doesn't note that it was these boys that the Chandler's allege Michael had abused (because we all know Michael is the most selective pedophile in the world with all the kids he befriended and never abused) - kind of takes the sting out of that whole argument, huh? Neither does he go into the bizarre attempts of the prosecution attempting to convince their own supposed victims they had been molested. He doesn't counter the alcohol in cans story, even though that one was easily debunked thanks to the prosecution's own witnesses, the airline stewardesses.

There are so many other casual egregious errors throughout the book that it gave me a headache reading, just some - the proposed book circulated between Jermaine/Stacy was not written by Jermaine, but by Stacy (he's admitted as much, but now blames others). In that Stacy Brown (he's never properly met Michael, never worked for Michael, etc) proposal he claimed Michael had shocked the family in the manner he had held his 3 young nephews after their mother's death - perhaps they were just shocked that Michael could fit his arms around 3 twenty year old men on a bed at the same time. Yes, they were full grown men, not children, so how would that work? Ask fanfic writer extraordinaire Stacy Brown. It did not circulate during the trial, but in 2006, which speaks volumes about its validity as attention hungry Stacy never mentioned it in 2005. Britney didn't supposedly cheat on Kevin Federline with Wade Robson, she supposedly cheated on Justin Timberlake. Debbie Rowe didn't have her first boyfriend at the age of 30, she had already been married/divorced by then (that was another moment of laughter from me). Michael didn't move into Neverland in 1990. Michael was not called "liver lips" by his brothers, Marlon was. LaToya didn't claim sexual abuse by her father in her book, she claimed it on the book tour. Michael never said he used any medication for his skin on Oprah. Uri Gellar is about as close to Michael as Martin Bashir. Corey Feldman was the one to ask about the book of skin diseases which involved STDs on Michael's table, so Michael explained them to him, is Randall really suggesting skin diseases and STD's were Michael's hook for kids, really? Mike had many books on skin diseases because he had skin diseases. Michael Jordan says it was Michael himself who called him up to ask to do the music video, which makes me suspect that he may have known who he was on the set - just a suspicion though, don't quote me as a fact on that, Randall (using Bob Jones' as a source for anything will just embarrass you; ask Tom Sneddon). On that note, there is no mention of head licking in any Jordan case documents, that ridiculous story came entirely from Gavin, then was bizarrely copied by Bob Jones/Stacy Brown; their testimony about it on the witness stand was another moment of comedy gold. The Jacksons contacted Branca 2 days after Michael's death because they knew he had the will, so how could they also claim they didn't know they had a will that first week? He quotes Schaffel saying Michael was scheduled to perform in the United We Stand Benefit concert in Washington but Michael failed to show up, that's odd as he also managed to perform "What More Can I Give?" at this same concert. He says TJ Jackson had 3 sons, he doesn't. He calls Eddie Cascio by his brother's name throughout the book. He mentions that Michael stayed with the Schleiter family after the trial and makes it seem like Michael only spent time with the son (who was in his 20s, not a kid), for some strange reason his sister Franziska who was there throughout is completely ignored (all the females in Michael's life are given this treatment, he enacts a genocide of immense proportions against any woman Jackson interacted with - there's no mention of any of the female kids he'd befriended too, even in Wade's testimony Randall never mentions Wade said his sister also slept in the room with him, she testified to that too, so did Brett's sister and Simone Jackson). He brings up the panic room in Michael's bedroom - in reality that room came with the house, the original owner had installed it when he built it. He uses the locks on the door as a sign Michael wanted to keep people out; yeah dummy, that's why it's a panic room, do you normally have a welcome mat outside one of those? And if you think it's odd he needed this room, ask yourself why the original owner, one of the richest men in California at the time, had wanted it. If he was not a deviant, why is Michael? He mentions online posts where fans wish death upon Evan but fails to mention the death threats and stalkers Michael had which are both a matter of police and FBI record and also can be found on gossipy sites online, which he used as sources. He claims Schaffel placed an item into the Vaccaro storage unit in 2002, this was impossible as that unit was seized in 1999 and anything remotely incriminating shipped off to Diane Dimond/Sneddon by Vaccaro himself during the trial for media whoring purposes, his story only confirms that Katherine was blackmailed. Evan Chandler did not kill himself on November 14/15th, he killed himself on the 5th and the media reported about it before November 17th, which is when he bizarrely claims Evan was found. The stuff about Michael buying Elizabeth Taylor for the Private Home Movies thing is from Schaffel, I'm just amused the price of that supposed jewellery has gone up with each retelling and that when she sold all her jewellery for charity after her death, no piece worth that much was found.

He claims here that the Chandler's attempted to keep a low profile after 1993. Does he know about the book deal they sought immediately after Michael's insurance settled? How Ray Chandler admitted in court records that Evan moved him in right after the allegations broke just so he could write it? Does he know about how Ray sold stories about Jordan to the National Enquirer throughout the 90s on behalf of his brother? Did he think Evan Chandler's 1996 lawsuit and demand for a record album to be released was a show of Evan seeking to be low key? Ray claimed he hoped the 2005 trial would bring vindication, why did he not ask why the Chandler's didn't seek this in 1994 with a criminal trial instead of book deals and frivolous lawsuits and demands for record contracts? Why didn't he ask Ray why he didn't take the stand in 2005? Why didn't he ask Ray why he claims now he told Jordan to testify in 2005, when in 2005 during his various paid for media appearances he claimed he had no contact with either Evan or Jordan at the time, as well as claiming that in his subpoeanas? Was Ray lying? Which time was he lying? (At the time he also claimed Jordan was out of the country as an excuse for why he didn't testify, but then he was photographed skiing in the US.) Does he know how on the audio recording before he claims Jordan had even confessed Evan said that he himself wanted to make it as public as possible? That recording was on July 8th; Jordan was supposedly drugged to confess on July 16th. How does that jibe with his claims it was the Chandler's who wanted to keep it low key and Michael who made it a public issue? Why would Michael want to make being a pedophile a public issue? Why doesn't he explain Evan's failure to report MJ was molesting Jordan at June's custody hearing, but the police only learned by the psychiatrist the next day? Is it because he didn't want Michael to sue him for making false allegations? Why does he not realize the explanation given for why Jordan cut off contact with him in 2005 doesn't make sense? If Evan suffered from cancer and manic depression, wouldn't he sympathize with him? Why wouldn't Jordan care about the man who rescued him from supposed "anal sex" when he died, a moment most people would forgive their parents any mistakes? Why does he act like the crazy fans made the Chandler's stop from going to criminal court (not even in defense of poor cancer victim Gavin), when he can only cite one instance which involved a fan (Pfeiffer) just graffitying outside his dental place in 1994 and making phonecalls? Does he realize that the Arvizo's, Francia - hell, the most hated of all, Diane Dimond and Sneddon, all have online accounts and recognizable faces and have managed to survive unscathed for years? Does he think it's a bit strange the only person who's hurt Jordan and scared him to the point of criminal action in all these years was his own father? How did Evan abandon his two younger kids but still lived with Jordan, who was apparently close to both? Why did he abandon the two kids with no money, but stuck with the millionaire son? Why does he say that Jordan had two younger brothers? He doesn't, he has only one, he completely misgendered the other one. Why does Ray Chandler need to research books on pedophiles, if Michael was one and he can just go by that? Why does he need to further inform himself of how they work, and not instead on how to deal with the victim of an abuser? Who describes their nephew's abuser as someone who just "had needs"? Do you think the relatives of Sandusky's victims react the same way to him? He claims Evan stated in his petition to remove custody from June that she had "prostituted" her son to Michael as though this reflects poorly on June or Michael; does he not think what Evan Chandler threatened on those tapes on July 8th ("It'll be a massacre if I don't get what I want"), how he had been demanding money in private over the idea his son was molested ("irrelevant to me"), just according to a psychiatrist who had not met any of them personally, and how he only wanted a civil lawsuit, a book deal, an album deal, a script deal (initially), and a further $60 million was not also prostitution? But according to Ray, this was "protecting" his son? I've included these questions here as none of them were posed to Ray or addressed to the Chandlers at any point throughout the book.

He claims Michael was paralytic with drugs almost the entire way through the last 20 years. It seems every drug story about Michael on Earth has been added here as a fact. It amuses me greatly that Michael was such an opiate addict, and yet managed to wean himself off these drugs entirely by the time he died, and the only drugs inside him were non opiate sedatives administered by Murray. Isn't it a bit ironic that Michael could wean himself off this huge addiction to every drug known to man, but only died because of another non addictive drug? That none were found in his home or autopsy? That none are presented in any medical documents from the last months of his life, besides Demerol for the treatments with Klein, which the drug addict specialist in the trial even admitted did not fall into an addict's level of use? He even copied and pasted a remark from a tabloid about how Michael shirked away from sunlight at one point as evidence for Michael's drug use - in reality, Michael was photo sensitive because of his discoid lupus.

It makes me wonder if it's possible to write a book about Michael where almost the entire source material doesn't come from people who have been found to have lied about him in court cases, lawsuits or found to have stolen from him, considering the sources Randall only uses here: Tohme (stole $5,000,000 million from MJ), Schaffel (stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from Michael, planted negative stories about him in the press, Debbie Rowe amusingly recounted Schaffel's creepiness in her testimony in 2005), Adrian McManus (successfully countersued by Michael; was found to have stolen toys from sick children & from her own nieces and nephews), Mark Lester (claimed to be Paris's father 4 years before he'd been re-acquainted with Michael, even his then wife came out and denounced him as a liar desperate for media attention), Matt Fiddes (only worked for Michael for free for about 2 days after Blanket was born and has never worked or met him before or since, let alone for any number of years; known as a "vainglorious attention seeker" by Channel 4 producers who he forged documents about in relation to his failed Jacksons lawsuit, even they would be a better source here than Fiddes could ever be) Howard Mann (has lost many lawsuits against the estate, blackmailed Michael's mother into dodgy deals involving his kids), Ray Chandler brother to Evan (Michael subpoenaed him in 2004 demanding he show up with the evidence he claimed he had in his book; Ray refused and eventually he admitted he had no such info, which should mean his book was essentially fiction), Terry George (he wasn't found out because rumors reached the LAPD, what nonsense, he had a gay sex chat line back then and when the scandal broke he seized on that to sell a story in The Sun for thousands of pounds, this is why anyone knows about him; FBI and DA didn't find him credible, he's changed his story a few times since - the one here is a new fancy retelling, he was and is still obsessed with Michael and even he admits Michael refused to take his calls, so much for grooming kids) Stacy Brown (admitted to lying in his book for money in his 2005 testimony; sued by juror's for plagiarism after that, a habitual liar who admits he never even really met Michael), Bob Jones (admitted he had an axe to grind, admitted to lying about MJ for money in the trial, was willing to make up witnessing inappropriate head licking acts with kids just to sell his book, and yet his book is used here as gospel) and so on and so on. Were these the only people willing to speak to Randall? Or, more likely, were these the only people Randall wanted to hear about Michael from? Was he incapable of deducing which things were lies by the amount of evidence, or did he assume the things which were the most ghastly and often repeated (what sells more?) had to be true? Would he be shocked to discover not everyone around Michael was a liar and a thief and there were many, many decent sources he could've used? Did he just not care? Whatever the answer, in the end the result is an almost entirely fictional book.

Perhaps the author had the best intentions for this book (though I suspect, not for Michael). Perhaps he really believes the information he presented is fair and objective. Perhaps he felt this was all there was to the story. But I can't understand why so many problematic sources were used as though they were absolutes, why so much information was not properly researched beyond tabloid articles, and why so much info has been seemingly intentionally misquoted. It comes across intentionally done and I can't understand why.

I find it bewildering really that he will talk about Michael as being a good father - something even the liars and the thieves around him have all agreed upon, and yet people still fail to realize the way he was with his own children was how he was with every other child. It doesn't take a genius to have to work that one out, but it's an inconvenient truth for many, so instead we're left with all the liars and thieves and rehashed The Sun articles, and can now count the willfully uninformed Randall Sullivan among them.
 
Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable"

^^Does this means more people are buying the kindle form of this book? How do you return something like that?
 
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