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I found this info blog and I wonder who is behind it. The whole info blog totally disgraced and portrayed MJ as a child molester through several "articles/reports", totally biased, ridiculous and one-sided!



JUST READ THE FORWORD!!!

But as you can see and read, its highly sophisticated (Id say scheming or refined) reported blog and we-fans CAN NOT IGNORE it, if the person behind it is posting links to his blog on many news pages like TMZ, CNN, MTV, NBC... twisting the fact.

The person is not an average/ordinary MJ hater, but he deals with the questions or directly accusations that Michael was A child molester!

The person tries to be very trustworthy using many specific descriptions and links to some articles from the Internet.

Read it carefully and be prepared to respond rationally and factually in discussions on many news pages... with facts!

:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: http://www.mjfacts.info/

There are plenty of websites out there that want to continue Michael Jackson's PR team's work even after he has died. I have to admit, that MJ's PR teams did great work, and there are a substantial number of people who really, truly believe that everything the PR teams said and disseminated about MJ was true. I can't criticise people like that, in all honesty they probably are great fans of MJ's music and probably aren't interested in anything else.

Then again, there are websites out there with a far more sinister agenda. They want to make MJ out to be something he isn't. Now, I don't know about you, but I would never compromise myself by accepting that it's OK, in our society, for a grown man to sleep with children in the way Michael Jackson did. I don't care who they are! There are no special exemptions, even if you missed out on a childhood, you are famous, or even the man insists repeatedly that it is "innocent". No way!

Yet, sadly, there are people who do.

In fact, there are entire websites set up to take each of Michael Jackson's misdeeds and make an excuse for each and every one! From his collection of child erotica, to his sleepovers with boys, to his payments to boys to make accusations go away, his huge collection of porn kept where his young guests had access to it, even his heavy drug use, to his wooing of parents of his "special friends", there are excuses for each and every one.

The obvious logic is - you wouldn't need a vindication website if MJ did anything wrong. Any accusations would be laughed off with an "It's ridiculous that Mike would ever do anything like that" and be forgotten. That can't be the case, however. The people running those websites know that MJ's behaviour looks bad to the average person. It can't be laughed off. It needs to be explained, excused, normalised, justified. They fail. It is not normal to have a succession of young boy friends. It is not normal to have booze, porn and drugs at a supposedly child friendly place like Neverland. It is not normal for a grown man to sleep with boys when he also collects books like MJ had. In short, these websites are defending the indefensible.

It's time rational fans stood up and said, "MJ entertained us, but his behaviour was way out of line". If fans can be honest with themselves and others, MJ's musical legacy will endure, if they can't then his legacy will die out because too many people will be turned off.

Attempts to cover Michael Jackson's actions with obfuscation will not work.

Want to learn the truth behind alleged "extortion" attempts against Michael Jackson? Or how he fits the profile of a pedophile? Look no further. Use the links at left.
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It's an old hater site. It used to be hosted at Yola until they tried to impersonate Charles Thompson and he reported them. Then Yola shot down the site, but they relocated. This is what they call "abuse" by MJ fans. That they reported them when they falsely impersonated them!

It's suspected that Ray Chandler might be behind this. Frankly, it's old news, an old site. The blog VindicateMJ ( http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/ ) has debunked everything it claims long ago. As there is free speech this is all we can do. And not to give them clicks. I wish fans would not bring links here to hater websites like this. It only flatters their ego.
 
Moonwalker.Fan said:
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Read it carefully and be prepared to respond rationally and factually in discussions on many news pages... with facts!
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I'd rather cut my hand off than do these people the favor with a single click coming from one of the biggest MJ boards. No thanks.

Stop posting the links to pure haterade, Jesus Christmas. Moonwalked Fan, every single time you post this stuff on MJ boards, you help spread the word. The broad public doesn't read that stuff, just outraged fans and really, really sick people.
 
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It's times like these when I wish I knew a "computer virus programmer"/"master hacker"........so that they could physically destroy these sites...........

.......sadly I have never had the chance to even meet such a person!!!
 
Just dropin' in the forum and what i see? the second topic about this BS.
Why should we discuss this? Isn't Murray's recent craziness more than enough for us?
I don't even go there and i don't want to click this crappy link.
 
Lots of mis-info in there too. Collection of child erotica? Oh wow....they are talking about that book that police found in one of his bookcases, a book that MJ received from a fan, it was even unopened or unread? Come on now...that was nothing. Police had hoped it was incriminating evidence, but it obviously wasn't at all. The collection to the adult magazines was locked in a safe, as i believe court documents also said, not just within easy reach for children.

Sleepovers with young boys..yeah that's what they always say, as if only young boys have spent the night in neverland, as if only boy visitors came there...give me a break. So cheap and full of crap. Payments to boys to make it go away...as far as i know there was only the settlement with the Chandlers. Correct me if i'm wrong.
 
Yeah, that's what they mean by "child erotica" - two books those are also found in the Library of Congress. Both were found in the 1993 raid, not 2003. Both had inscriptions in it. One was written by a fan - it was a gift from a fan. In the other book the inscription was by MJ and it said: "Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys' faces. This is the spirit of boyhood, a life I never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children, MJ." From this it's obvious that MJ didn't look at it as "erotica". Like I said the book is in the Library of Congress, it's an art photography book and it's about the shooting of the 1960s movie "Lord of the Flys".

There has never been child porn found in Michael's possession. If there had been he would have been charged with it. He was not. Also a pedophile wouldn't just have two photography art books, he would have tons of child porn, because pedophiles simply cannot stop. So how come Michael had just this and just in 1993 and nothing else, if he is a pedophile? Besides his house, all of his computers were searched by the FBI and they found nothing incriminating (just adult, heterosexual stuff).

There were actually two settlements: the Chandlers and the Francias (they got 2.4 million). The Francias extorted Michael following the Chandlers and they got lucky because this was the time when Michael just wanted it to go away. Jason Francia's mother, Blanca Francia was working for Michael as a maid in the early 90s and got fired around 1991. Of course, they haven't reported any abuse until the Chandler story broke. Then they suddenly "remembered" that Jason too was molested. Jason Francia testified for the prosecution in 2005. He was ridiculous on the stand. Mesereau showed his 1993 police interview in which he initially denied that Michael ever touched him but the police officers were very aggressive while questioning him trying to force him to say what they wanted to hear. In fact, they lied to him that Michael molested Macaulay Culkin and Corey Feldman and they can only save them if Jason testified he too was molested by Michael. This is the kind of technique they used with Jason, playing on guilt (if you don't say you were molested we cannot save other boys) and finally the boy broke and started to say what they wanted to hear. In 2005 in court he admitted he just wanted to get away from there. He also said he was very upset during that interview and just wanted to hit the police officers on the head and that they made him "come up with stuff".

His mother Blanca Francia is a liar too. She testified in 2005 that she witnessed Michael molest Wade Robson. Unfortunately for the Francias and their credibility, the defense called Robson on the stand who testified Michael never touched him.

The thing about hater-sites is that they either tell half-truths or downright lies to convince their audience and they totally omit facts those would put things into a context and a perspective. You have to be well versed in the facts to see through the deception.
 
It's obviously a blog by a hater. Lets not give it any more attention.
 
It would be nice if you just eresed the link to that site. Why give it more traffic and especially by the us, the Mike's fans. Just sayin
 
Wow, Respect77, there was plenty stuff in there that i didn't know. Very interesting, also shows how misinformed still so many people are. I got a question though, what is your source? I'm not doubting you, i definitely believe you. The thing is however, when i'm talking to people who are very anti-MJ and i'm trying to convince them of the things they really don't know...they always ask me what my source is. I most of the time give them sites like Vindicate MJ and such, and the reply is always 'Oh right...a site with that name, clearly a fan site, and i'm suppposed to believe that?' and you got people saying 'you talk negative about the media, but the sources where yuo get it it from is...the media ' .
 
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Wow, Respect77, there was plenty stuff in there that i didn't know. Very interesting, also shows how misinformed still so many people are. I got a question though, what is your source? I'm not doubting you, i definitely believe you. The thing is however, when i'm talking to people who are very anti-MJ and i'm trying to convince them of the things they really don't know...they always ask me what my source is. I most of the time give them sites like Vindicate MJ and such, and the reply is always 'Oh right...a site with that name, clearly a fan site, and i'm suppposed to believe that?' and you got people saying 'you talk negative about the media, but the sources where yuo get it it from is...the media ' .
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They don't have to believe VindicateMJ just for their word. They also offer their sources for the information they present, they aren't just throwing things out there without any basis. Unlike much of the media, I have to say!

What sources you would like to see? It's a fact Michael was not charged with the possession of child pornography because there was no child pornography. His FBI files revealed that the FBI checked all his computers (16 altogether) and ALL came back with the remark "nothing". Here is a link to that file in his FBI archive: http://vault.fbi.gov/Michael Jackson/Michael Jackson 62 File Part 3 of 3/view

There was nothing illegal found in a printed form either. Otherwise he would have been charged with that. Haters make much ado about these two art books mentioned above (two art books that are also in the Library of Cogress), but like I said above they were found in 1993 with the inscriptions I mentioned above. Among others you can see Mesereau quoting the inscriptions from the book in his closing argument.

As for the Francias. That's all in the trial transcripts as well. Here is Jason Francia's testimony: http://deargavinarvizo.com/2010/03/jason-francias-testimony/

It's Mesereau's cross-examination where all these info came out about the police's questionable tactics while interviewing him in 1993.

Jason Francia's mother, Blanca Francia testified she saw Michael molest Wade Robson, that she saw them taking a shower together naked. But then the Defense called Wade Robson himself who told it was a lie:


Q. Have you ever taken a shower with Mr.

Jackson?

A. No.

Q. Have you ever gone swimming with Mr.

Jackson?

A. Yes.

Q. And please explain what you mean.

A. One time with my sister and I, my sister and

I and Michael, we went in the Jacuzzi at Neverland

Ranch.

Q. And do you know approximately when that was?

A. I don’t. I can’t say for sure. I have a 9100

feeling that it was within that first trip in ‘89

when I went there.

Q. Do you recall what Mr. Jackson was wearing

in the Jacuzzi?

A. From my recollection, he was wearing shorts.

You know, like swimming shorts. And that was it.

Q. Did anything inappropriate ever happen in

that Jacuzzi?

A. No.

Q. Has anything inappropriate ever happened in

any shower with you and Mr. Jackson?

A. No. Never been in a shower with him.


http://deargavinarvizo.com/2010/10/wade-robson-testimony-5505/


See? Haters might refer to the media to back up their claims, but when was the media ever fair to Michael? How is that less biased than fan sites? What we refer to are hard cold facts, such as trial transcripts and FBI documents.
 
BTW also in Michael's FBI files, on page 3: http://vault.fbi.gov/Michael Jackson/Michael Jackson 305 File Part 1 of 1/view

"On September 28, 2004, SAs [blocked] and [blocked] met with [blocked] to discuss captioned matter. During the meeting [blocked] advised the agents that he had no interest in testifying against Jackson. [blocked] advised that he would legally fight any attempt to do so. [blocked] believed that he had done his part."

This is Jordan Chandler. Same with his uncle, Ray Chandler. During this period he was running his mouth all across the media, advertising his book "All that glitters" but when Mesereau tried to subpoena him to come to court and present his "evidence" there rather than running his mouth in the media, he was running scared! Here are the court documents to this:

http://jacksonaktak.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/102504verobjsnonpty.pdf

http://jacksonaktak.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/102504appsealwonotpeop.pdf

So Ray Chandler had no problem parading around the media giving interviews, appearing in Martin Bashir's second documentary and so on, but he had a huge problem with repeating his claims in court, under oath and subject himself to cross-examination. Why?

And while this is going on based on official court documents, the media still rather gives credit to the Chandler's and books such as "All that glitters"? Similarly with Bob Jones' book. On court he admitted the book was full of lies, that he never saw Michael behave inappropriately with children, yet the media and haters still use that book as a reference! Why when he himself admitted it was a lie?

So no, just because it's in the media it's not necessarily credible. We have the court documents to back up Michael's innocence.
 
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THanks alot, and that's very true. Next time someone says 'But you get it from the media too' i can show these court documents. I never knew about a book from Bob Jones, i assume that book had alot nonsense about molestation? Honestly never heard about it.
 
^^No it doesn't. He just leaves a lot of innuendos and says stupid stuffs like Mike licking Gavin Arvizos head while they were traveling in an aeroplane. His stories were proved lies when he testified in the 2005 where he basically admited that he had lied in his book. His help on writting the book was Stacey Brawn.
 
This person is everywhere, ugh.

MJ fans need to be more militant with linking to our own sites/documents which prove he's innocent.

I'm feeling so disheartened by realizing that even after so much has come out about MJ, and so much still does, he still gets to be treated like a criminal by so many people. I don't even know how we can change that anymore.
 
I agree. Thing about these haters are that they do this almost as a job. They are very militant, they link their websites under every article written about Michael.

Fans need to educate themselves about the allegations so that they can refute them effectively! Many fans say they don't care about the allegations because they know in their heart Michael was innocent. That's nice, but unfortunately you can't defend MJ by knowing in your heart that he was innocent. It's not so much the haters that you need to convince (they are hell-bent with an agenda, they won't get convinced) but you need to counter them with facts when they spread their BS misleading the general public. That's why fans should study the allegations even if it's not a pleasant topic.

The sad truth is that MJ gets defined by the allegations in the mind of the general public. It overshadows his music! It overshadows his artistic legacy! It overshadows all his humanitarian efforts! It overshadows his message of love and peace! It overshadows everything he stood for! How much more records he would be able to sell if not for the allegations? So fans NEED to fight that!

I know it seems like we fight an uphill battle as long as even most of the media are sensationalist about the allegations rather than factual (like they are comparing MJ to Sandusky now), but we have to fight. Educate yourself on the allegations and then educate people about them!
 
And one more thing: I believe MJ is such a victim of media harassment, still, because - apart from T-Mez - noone is out there in the public eye to defend him effectively. Because of this it's open season on him for the media. They can claim anything and they know noone from the Jackson family will care enough to refute them or sue them. In a normal family, parents, brothers and sisters would have studied every aspect of the allegations by now and would go on every TV show and effectively refute their BS. But sadly Michael's family doesn't seem to care about that. They are too busy selling belts and setting up tribute concerts for their own financial benefit. Even when they defend him they are totally ignorant about the facts. Like Katherine trying to defend Michael by saying Jordan recanted, when that was an Internet hoax. So the fact Michael really doesn't have anything to count on (apart from T Mez and the fans) just worsens the situation and gives the media a free pass to claim anything they want about him.
 
I agree, I'm normally very disappointed when I see MJ fans defending him, they tend to speak emotionally, don't cite facts, and come across as just someone who would defend MJ even if he were guilty. It doesn't help him and doesn't make outsiders warm to the facts.

You're right the haters do this as a job LOL They really are committed to it, and unlike the fans, they don't feel much emotion about any of this so they can post their hate without it exhausting them, but personally I find going through so many negative articles/comments and refuting them so draining that I can understand why others hang back, especially when it feels like it's just you vs. dozens of other commentators.

I'm honestly just not sure what can be done anymore. It feels like there's been a huge wave of positive PR about MJ - David Gest docu, Cirque, Jermaine's book, Frank's book saying MJ wasn't a pedophile, the audio of him speaking about children's hospitals, his kids saying what a great father he was, other various projects - obviously some of these had negative effects too, but overall they've been "good" things for his image. And yet it still feels like we're on an uphill climb.

I think what MJ really lacks is a talking head voice in the media. In the trial we had Dr Drew, Jane whatever, Joy Behr, and then the Harvey Levin's, Diane Dimond's, Bill O'Reilly and loads of other various talking heads discussing MJ, journalists like Guardian writers and others, and all of them make sure to create insinuations about him that play on people's minds. It feels like there's nobody there willing to take a stand and say they've been through all the court case info and think he's innocent. It's like anyone with that position in the media acts like they'd feel embarrassed to defend him in that way. It's almost seen as a mark of "Aren't I cool" for believing that the jury were wrong, because gosh, MJ was weird and his fans are weird and sharing a bedroom with kids is just so wrong, I'm not gonna stick up for that!

I really just don't know what else will shift the tide so much that I feel like our voice is finally heard and is as loud/louder than all the other voices. If all the other evidence doesn't convince people, then what will? It's been 2 years now, so much has come out, what else will it take?
 
I think there would be talking heads for Michael but they get marginalized by the mainstream media bullies. Like when HLN brought in Diane Dimond instead of Joe Vogel on a panel about MJ. It's totally intentional on the part of the editors and the mainstream media that they marginalize pro-MJ opinions. Didn't Aphrodite Jones have to self-publish her book?

Just imagine what it would be like if there wasn't the Internet! We can be glad there is. If there wasn't we would only get this type of TV and media coverage, we could not check out documents and infos for ourselves to form our own opinion, we could not set up websites and blogs to show the truth.

The sad fact is that most people are sheep who cannot think for themselves and they eat up anything that the media feeds them with. Some of the media came out with this BS that Michael saying to Bashir that he shares his bed with kids is the same as when Sandusky says he showers with boys. And a lot of people just ran with it. You see this opinion be echoed on blogs and in comments. This just proves people are sheep and easily brainwashed by the media. Because if they weren't they would have actually checked out the FACTS of Michael's case and saw how very different it was from the Sandusky case!

Seeing this I actually don't have much hope in humanity. The human race is not as great and clever as it thinks itself to be. Our brains are easily manipulated, we rather follow authorities (in this case people consider the media an authority - just because it's on screen or print they think it must be the truth) and a lynch mob mentality than reason and logic. We are also lazy - it's easier to run with catchy soundbites and quack armchair "psychology" than to make an effort to actually STUDY what was Michael accused of and how and why he was acquitted. I bet you most of the general public don't even know what he was accused of (eg. they talk about rape when Michael was never accused of rape)! But they still feel entitled to judge and condemn him as a criminal. That's how ugly animals we, humans are: stupid sheep with a lazy, yet judgmental and arrogant attitude. Have you ever read the comment section of a Yahoo or a CNN article? Hate, intolerance, lynch mob mentality, ignorance and downright stupidity everywhere you look (and I'm not just talking about Michael articles). Many of them call themselves Christians and cite their God in every second sentence, but most of those people would have been first in line to shout "crucify him, crucify him!" They have that mentality! There are exceptions of course, but I'm talking about the majority of people I see under those articles.

Will it change? If people somehow don't make a quantum leap of evolution suddenly onto a higher level, I doubt that. Sadly. In Michael's case it will take a bombshell of an event to change this attitude towards him. Like Jordan telling the truth, for example. That would be something that not even the mainstream media could ignore. It would also be an easy statement to grasp for the sheep - ie. they wouldn't have to go through court documents and testimonies for hours and days and weeks and months to understand the truth, but there would be Jordan on TV and telling them the truth in their face. Of course, then the sheep would say they always knew how innocent MJ was, because that again is human nature. But I don't mind. I wish we would come to this already. But unfortunately I'm very skeptical about Jordan ever coming out. He's a coward. He won't. That too is human nature.

Altogether I don't have much illusion about humans in general as you can see. And I don't believe in karma and all that kind of stuff either. Where is karma when Michael is underground and Gavin is happily smiling from his Facebook while his brother is still trashing MJ? There is no karma and no justice. Never was (just look at history), never will be.

Having said that, I will still fight for Michael's name as every fan should, like I wrote in my previous post. Even if we fight an uphill battle we have to do our best for Michael and the Truth (I love them both equally), because if we won't, who will?
 
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Sigh. I feel so disheartened.

I feel like MJ fans need to be more organized. I like the way some members here post links to articles and ask us to respond but in a mature and non-emotional way. But I wish there was more we could do. I wish those of us who have researched the cases could always be linked to articles to attack there. I know Charles Thomson does it with British articles and Taj Jackson also called out that recent Guardian article. I feel like MJ fans need to make sure they're really informed, but I don't even know how to achieve that.

I feel like our voices and MJ's voice are the loudest they've ever been, and yet it isn't enough.

Maybe in 50 years time when people who aren't tainted by the hysteria are around and only the facts about the court cases are there, people will think more positively about him. Maybe.

I don't know anymore.
 
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