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So do y'all think Jason Pfeiffer was really MJ boyfriend

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I always felt he was telling the truth and I don't see why he'd lie considering Klein said it was true. Of course Klein backtracked later after they got so much hate but I'm pretty sure he was just saving face. It really doesn't make sense why MJ's own doctor and friend would lie about this; it's not like he's Conrad Murray.

There's really nothing wrong with MJ being gay. We live in 2023, so what y'all think
 
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I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with MJ being gay lol
 
A lot of people have said so many false things about Michael that I find it hard to believe this Jason was telling the truth.

I'd like to think that Michael was heterosexual. He had feminine features, including voice and being soft spoken but everything else seemed masculine to me.

He was just a very unique individual.
 
Spaceship said:
It really doesn't make sense why MJ's own doctor and friend would lie about this; it's not like he's Conrad Murray.
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I mean...

... how many of Michael's friends and associates have lied about him? We can't pick and choose what to believe based on this logic.

Spaceship said:
There's really nothing wrong with MJ being gay. We live in 2023, so what y'all think
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Of course there would be nothing wrong with it if he were gay. But there is simply no evidence of it, whereas there is plenty of evidence of him being heterosexual. Does it matter either way? Not from a sexuality stand point, no. But it matters to not spread or support falsehoods about him where there is no evidence. It's not fair to MJ, not because being gay is a horrible rumor in itself, but because he (like all people) deserve to have the truth told about him. He has dealt with enough lies in life and death.
 
but seriously guys , it doesn't matter if M was ...bi , gay , straight.
i don't really think about it. i love him for him.
 
but we as fans ....don't really... i mean what does it matter ? i never got that mindset , it's something that i never understood talking about
 
staywild23 said:
Of course there would be nothing wrong with it if he were gay. But there is simply no evidence of it, whereas there is plenty of evidence of him being heterosexual.
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AND the only "evidence" that people have for him being gay is the fact that he was androgynous and did not adhere to complete hetero-normative standards for many people. because apparently androgyny and femininity = gay šŸ˜ (it doesn't. lmao. gay men can range in expression, just like straight people.)

have you also ever noticed how people assume things about his sexuality mostly based off of blatant stereotypes? i'm a gay man myself and that's why i get disgusted whenever i hear yet another debate on his sexuality. because a lot of the assumptions made about his sexuality typically have homophobic and stereotypical reasonings to them. when the media is speculating on his sexuality, it's usually with a tone of disgust towards the fact that he COULD be gay. at least in their eyes where they think being feminine = gay šŸ’€ but, generally, it's usually used as a way to try and slander him and convince the public that this is something "wrong" about Michael. which disgusts me.

i'm sick of my homosexuality being perceived as something that is perverted and disgusting and "unnatural." i'm not a groomer, i'm not trying to convert anyone into being gay (which you can't even do anyway). the majority of us are not like that, actually. just like straight folks, the majority of us have desires and attractions that are not illegal nor do harm to other people.

if Michael was gay, he would still have the same amount of my love. i love him unconditionally.

sadly, even in today's world, homophobia is still very alive and well (i actually recently had an experience with homophobia here on this forum! i won't name names, but they got told off) and the way people sensationalize the topic of Michael's sexuality is just one example of that.

all in all though, nobody truly knows the full extent to his sexuality except for Michael himself. and frankly... it's none of our business anyway. end of story!
 
Look at this big ol sexy teddy bear
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Ain't nothing wrong with MJ hitting that lol
 
DarylJoel_B said:
AND the only "evidence" that people have for him being gay is the fact that he was androgynous and did not adhere to complete hetero-normative standards for many people. because apparently androgyny and femininity = gay šŸ˜ (it doesn't. lmao. gay men can range in expression, just like straight people.)

have you also ever noticed how people assume things about his sexuality mostly based off of blatant stereotypes?
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Thank you for mentioning this! I have noticed this in several comments in the various gender/sexuality threads and it bothers me a lot. It's 100% based in the belief that there is only one kind of "correct" or acceptable display of masculinity/heterosexuality. It's such an unfortunate and limiting mindset and lends to the erasure of so much individuality and beauty in the expression of all genders and sexualities. Michael's features, voice, interests, beliefs, etc., are not a reflection of his sexuality, but his individuality and that is a wonderful thing!

DarylJoel_B said:
i'm a gay man myself and that's why i get disgusted whenever i hear yet another debate on his sexuality. because a lot of the assumptions made about his sexuality typically have homophobic and stereotypical reasonings to them. when the media is speculating on his sexuality, it's usually with a tone of disgust towards the fact that he COULD be gay. at least in their eyes where they think being feminine = gay šŸ’€ but, generally, it's usually used as a way to try and slander him and convince the public that this is something "wrong" about Michael. which disgusts me.
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Completely agree! And this is why it's difficult with threads like this. Because I never want to imply that my frustration with these rumors is about the possibility of him being gay. It would make no difference to me if he were gay! But it bothers me that it is an unfounded rumor that people spread due to the perpetration of the stereotypes you mentioned. I don't see pointing this out as "defending" Michael against homosexuality, since there is nothing to "defend" in that case; being gay is not a problem. But buying into this rumor, which is based on nothing, falls under the same principal as buying into ANY baseless rumor about him. That's a shitty thing to do with any artist, but with Michael it feels especially offensive to me.
 
librariangirl:) said:
Thatā€™s very nobel of you, the rest of us are nosy I guess šŸ§
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No , not noble. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. it's just when i was growing up, seeing him as a sexual being never, ever came into the equation with him. Not with M. I didn't care about who he might / might not be banging.
 
I don't think he was gay. I think people conflate having certain nurturing and effeminate attributes with being gay, and as has already been said, that's not the case. I just think the guy was different. He had an androgyny about him. And certainly his displays of sexuality on stage weren't your usual, macho, strongman type. He seemed to really blur the lines of what sexuality could look like when presented in dance and performance but I never got the impression that men were his interest. There also just isn't the evidence for it. I think what kept Michael out of being a playboy of some sort was that he didn't trust women (or adults in general). I know what it's like not to trust women, having had a few female stalkers in my time who've turned weird on me. I'd hate to think what someone like MJ would deal with from crazed female fans. Think about it, Billie Jean is the story of a fan who has made up a story that he impregnated her for money. There are countless stories of women trying to corner famous men for money. I think the reason he gravitated towards Lisa Marie Presley is she was someone who was close enough to equal to him with no real reason or want to do that. If you look at his "relationship" with Debbie Rowe, it was purely contractual. I am pretty sure there was a signed agreement that she relinquish children to him. He could have had the most beautiful woman in the world, and yet he married Debbie Rowe, who is plain, to put it politely, and yet, guarded himself against feminine wiles of being ensnared in any way by her. His mountains of heterosexual porn also are evidence of him being heterosexual, and when the prosecution tried to claim he had "homosexual porn", it turned it was lesbian. Unless something more comes out, and seeing that the accusations against Michael have been beyond laughable (read Conspiracy or listen to The Case For Innocence Podcast), all reasonable evidence suggests he was a complicated, androgynous, heterosexual or even possibly asexual man.
 
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