So It Begins..."Worth More Dead Than Alive"

[CantHelpIt28]

I was referring to the faux-investigative unit as a whole. It's stupid. Not this thread.

It just goes against Michaels preaching!

So are you saying that nothing should be questioned or investigated because it's stupid or prejudicial? Michael, himself, called out Sony. He believed something was up. And that takes investigation, and the ability to question something and not just go along. I'm sure some thought it was sensational at the time and maybe still do, but it obviously was important to Michael.

 

[CantHelpIt28]

Why do I sound like a hater?

The only thing I did was just to contradict this speculation... Why is the forum here for? For everyone to agree with eachother? That would be boring. There's always two sides of an argument!

The facts are just that Michael had a lot of drugs and they were there for a reason. I would rather be sensible and believe he died due to his body collapsing after a long range of drug-usage, rather than "speculating" he was murdered.

It's almost like people here don't want to acknowledge these drugs were his... But to me, it's normal. It's a natural reaction. He had a stressful life and obviously a lot of pain. He's a human being and like a lot of people he became addicted to drugs. Unfortunately the human body can only take such sedatives to a certain point, and Michael simply couldn't get rid of those sedatives. His body collapsed.

I think it's hateful to be hoping he was murdered by someone... And by speculating that this could be Dr. Conrad Murray or another party is pure sensationalism. I would rather do what Michael told us to do... To stay away from such prejudice and exaggeration.

Going by your rules or the rules you think Michael adhered to, I would say that you've bought in to sensationalism. You don't know Michael. You don't know what Michael took or didn't take. You don't know what kind of drugs Michael had in his system. You only know what the MEDIA told you. Were you there? No. And that report came from 1 person and was NOT verified by the L.A.'s coroner's office. Yet the MEDIA reported it anyway. How do we know the reports about he "drugs" found in Michael's home weren't exaggerated or even true?

You make a whole lot of assumptions for someone with a bone to pick about speculation and theory. "His body collapsed?" How do you know? You're funny.

 

[Mr. Penguin]

So are you saying that nothing should be questioned or investigated because it's stupid or prejudicial? Michael, himself, called out Sony. He believed something was up. And that takes investigation, and the ability to question something and not just go along. I'm sure some thought it was sensational at the time and maybe still do, but it obviously was important to Michael.

Michael could have just been paranoid, like a lot of people are in a business ruled by cash. As I said earlier, Michael himself acknowledged that he was addicted to drugs in 1993-95. Basing on the court documents (that show what drugs he was in possesion of), it only takes a rational mind to sense that he had gone back into some sort of addiction again.

Do you recall Michael being as thin as he was before he death, ever before? I don't. Drug addicts are extremely thin and I don't recall having seen Michael that fragile before.

Regarding this "investigation unit"... I don't see a lot of "investigation". It's mostly based on theories out of the blue. Atleast I can provide with some court documents that show drugs Michael was in possesion of.

 

[Mr. Penguin]

Going by your rules or the rules you think Michael adhered to, I would say that you've bought in to sensationalism. You don't know Michael. You don't know what Michael took or didn't take. You don't know what kind of drugs Michael had in his system. You only know what the MEDIA told you. Were you there? No. And that report came from 1 person and was NOT verified by the L.A.'s coroner's office. Yet the MEDIA reported it anyway. How do we know the reports about he "drugs" found in Michael's home weren't exaggerated or even true?

I'm not even talking about these reports that came out after his death. I'm talking about court documents prior to his death. They showed what kind of drugs Michael was in possession of and that gives an indication of his prior behavior.

Again, this has nothing to do with the media. I'm basing my opinion on court findings. If you've been following tabloids such as TMZ, you'd see that even they came up with stories about Dr. Conrad Murray being suspicious.

I find it odd that we, MJ fans, are speculating so hard about an unknown entity who supposedly killed Michael.

You make a whole lot of assumptions for someone with a bone to pick about speculation and theory. "His body collapsed?" How do you know? You're funny.

Well first of, the history I know about his body is:
A) He was a drug-addict ATLEAST once during his life.
B) He had very tough auto-immune diseases like vitiligo and lupus.
C) He has undergone many surgeries that all take a toll on the health of the body.
D) He was obviously undernourished. At times he was a vegetarian. Even his mother spoke about this issue.

With all the possible medication he could've taken due to his conditions (and others, not related to these - according to court documents), and the complex lifestyle he had, I'm only lead to believing he was VERY fragile. A body that has gone through such drastic changes is bound to have issues.

 

[Mr. Penguin]

I Agree but I think they are here more than to start shiz, I believe the people who planned and carried out Michael MURDER are here, see their Paranoia gives them no PEACE they have Murdered an Innocent Man for his NAME, FAME, RESPECT and MONEY. They are not hard to spot just MARK them, they continue to promote anything that says "Michael was a drug addict", "all that stuff they found was Michael when even the Authorities know now it was PLANTED in the home while they where Murdereing Michael", they fight with anyone thats truly honest in their Love for Michael Jackson" or "that are after the TRUTH about those involved with Michael Murder". They are persistent but they are also GUILTY of MURDER and they know IT. So you are right about not trusting people on this forum because where we are seeking the Truth and know it to some extent, they KNOW the TRUTH and want to keep it hid and they have alot of influence but its too LATE its a HOMICIDE now and THE TRUTH is OUT and will CONTINUE to come out because MICHAEL JACKSON WAS WORTH MORE DEAD THAN ALIVE TO HIS KILLERS and if you realize who he was worth more to DEAD then you too know who they are and where they are and you know all the answers and THE TRUTH. They will not GET AWAY WITH MURDERING MICHAEL JACKSON in this LIFE or the one to come and thats for SURE.

Are you guys now implying that I murdered Michael, just because I'm new here and go against these conspiracies? -.-'

THIS is the kind of prejudice I'm talking about... It's paranoia beyond comprehension

 

[CantHelpIt28]

Michael could have just been paranoid, like a lot of people are in a business ruled by cash. As I said earlier, Michael himself acknowledged that he was addicted to drugs in 1993-95. Basing on the court documents (that show what drugs he was in possesion of), it only takes a rational mind to sense that he had gone back into some sort of addiction again.

Do you recall Michael being as thin as he was before he death, ever before? I don't. Drug addicts are extremely thin and I don't recall having seen Michael that fragile before.

Regarding this "investigation unit"... I don't see a lot of "investigation". It's mostly based on theories out of the blue. Atleast I can provide with some court documents that show drugs Michael was in possesion of.

You say Michael may have been paranoid again SPECULATION. You say he was thin and drug addicts are thin ..SPECULATION. People with eating disorders are thin too but I can't say for sure that Michael had one. Some people don't eat when they're stressed. I'd say waking up one day to find out that you're scheduled to do 50 shows instead of 10 would put a lot of stress on someone who hasn't toured in years and who doesn't particularly like it.

If you have the courts docs, then show them. Were the drugs on Michael's person or in his house when he died? Because that house was not on lock down by LAPD after Michael died and how do we know they weren't planted? Just sayin'.

You may not see investigation where others do.

 

[CantHelpIt28]

I'm not even talking about these reports that came out after his death. I'm talking about court documents prior to his death. They showed what kind of drugs Michael was in possession of and that gives an indication of his prior behavior.

Again, this has nothing to do with the media. I'm basing my opinion on court findings. If you've been following tabloids such as TMZ, you'd see that even they came up with stories about Dr. Conrad Murray being suspicious.

I find it odd that we, MJ fans, are speculating so hard about an unknown entity who supposedly killed Michael.


Well first of, the history I know about his body is:
A) He was a drug-addict ATLEAST once during his life.
B) He had very tough auto-immune diseases like vitiligo and lupus.
C) He has undergone many surgeries that all take a toll on the health of the body.
D) He was obviously undernourished. At times he was a vegetarian. Even his mother spoke about this issue.

With all the possible medication he could've taken due to his conditions (and others, not related to these - according to court documents), and the complex lifestyle he had, I'm only lead to believing he was VERY fragile. A body that has gone through such drastic changes is bound to have issues.

I've seen a very healthy looking Michael within the last 10 years, too. Michael has dealt with Lupus and Vitiligo for years and has looked healthy in the process. The stress of the trial weighed on him. But you don't know that his body collapsed in the end. None of us knows what condition his body was in. There were also reports of his nose being missing. We only know what the media has told us. And the media also made the world believe that he was the devil, too. And I'm not going to say he didn't have issues with meds in his life, but we don't know to what extent and if it was consistent. All I'm saying is you're taking a moment in his life and extending to present times. Even though you say you have court docs, they're from 2005, correct? Well, Michael was charged with being a child molester and found not guilty in 2005 as well. You speculate like the rest of us.

 

[Mr. Penguin]

You say Michael may have been paranoid again SPECULATION. You say he was thin and drug addicts are thin ..SPECULATION.

How is that speculation? It's true that most drug addicts are thin. Ask any physician, they know that it can lead to weight loss.

People with eating disorders are thin too but I can't say for sure that Michael had one. Some people don't eat when they're stressed. I'd say waking up one day to find out that you're scheduled to do 50 shows instead of 10 would put a lot of stress on someone who hasn't toured in years and who doesn't particularly like it.

I don't see how Michael would be surprised about additional 40 shows. I don't see how they could've made such a move without an agreement on his behalf.

If Michael truly wasn't aware of this, he would have sued them! He's not an idiot...

If you have the courts docs, then show them. Were the drugs on Michael's person or in his house when he died? Because that house was not on lock down by LAPD after Michael died and how do we know they weren't planted? Just sayin'.

You may not see investigation where others do.

Marijuana, ecstasy etc:
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/120403irsw91307.pdf
Medicine bottles, item 515 and downwards:
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/060804sdcontsheet.pdf
Page 14, line 15 - cocaine, demerol etc:
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/013105pltmotrd14itms.pdf
Lawsuit by Mickey Fines Pharmacy, exceeding $100,000 dollars:
http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/m_jackson_prescripstions.pdf

There are more around... Its just a matter of searching.

 

[Mr. Penguin]

I've seen a very healthy looking Michael within the last 10 years, too. Michael has dealt with Lupus and Vitiligo for years and has looked healthy in the process. The stress of the trial weighed on him. But you don't know that his body collapsed in the end. None of us knows what condition his body was in. There were also reports of his nose being missing. We only know what the media has told us. And the media also made the world believe that he was the devil, too. And I'm not going to say he didn't have issues with meds in his life, but we don't know to what extent and if it was consistent. All I'm saying is you're taking a moment in his life and extending to present times. Even though you say you have court docs, they're from 2005, correct? Well, Michael was charged with being a child molester and found not guilty in 2005 as well. You speculate like the rest of us.

There are some from 2007 I believe where Michael himself declares issues with drugs. I was unable to relocate these...

 

[CherubimII]

Mr. Penguin why don't you go post in another forum :scratch:
and leave alone this thread I created purely for solace for others.

 

[CherubimII]

Please allow me to quote Dick Gregory:

Doctors make the best assassins.

Watch the videos:
Michael Jackson's Death Ruled 'Homicide'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWC-GeXPbnY

Video link
CBS News

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5263216n&tag=related;photovideo

(CBS) More details about what happened in the final hours of Michael Jackson's life are surfacing, especially what occurred during the critical 81 minute gap between when Los Angeles police say his personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, found Jackson not breathing to when he finally called 911.
Police say that, after Murray found Jackson unconscious, he called his office and stayed on the phone for a full half-hour, "Early Show" national correspondent Hattie Kauffman reported on the broadcast Wednesday.
Police say that, after Murray found Jackson unconscious, he called his office and stayed on the phone for a full half-hour, "Early Show" national correspondent Hattie Kauffman reported on the broadcast Wednesday.
A police affidavit says Murray found Jackson not breathing at 11 a.m. the day the singer died. But the 911 call wasn't made until 12:21 p.m. And now, cell phone records show Murray made 47 minutes worth of other calls.
At 11:18 a.m., Murray made a 32-minute call to his office in Las Vegas. At 11:49 a.m., he called another Las Vegas phone number for three minutes. And at 11:51 a.m., he called Houston for 11 minutes. Then at 12:12 p.m., he called a Jackson associate for one minute.

Kauffman reported the police affidavit shows these calls happened while Jackson was unconscious in his bed and Murray was "supposed" to be performing CPR.

I believe Michael Jackson was already dead before Murray called his office workers around 9:20am and asked them to
remove "something" from his warehouse storage.
I also believe Michael Jackson's body was removed, and placed in another room with the temperature raised very high and fluids injected into his body;so it would be difficult to determine the time of death.

 

[CantHelpIt28]

How is that speculation? It's true that most drug addicts are thin. Ask any physician, they know that it can lead to weight loss.


I don't see how Michael would be surprised about additional 40 shows. I don't see how they could've made such a move without an agreement on his behalf.

If Michael truly wasn't aware of this, he would have sued them! He's not an idiot...


Marijuana, ecstasy etc:
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/120403irsw91307.pdf
Medicine bottles, item 515 and downwards:
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/060804sdcontsheet.pdf
Page 14, line 15 - cocaine, demerol etc:
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/013105pltmotrd14itms.pdf
Lawsuit by Mickey Fines Pharmacy, exceeding $100,000 dollars:
http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/m_jackson_prescripstions.pdf

There are more around... Its just a matter of searching.

Okay, Michael Jackson, who was so protective of his children that he covered their faces whenever they went out in public until recently, kept a baggie of weed in a kitchen drawer where anyone could've found it.

John Belushi and Chris Farley both had drugs addictions and were not thin by any means.

Why do you feel that MJ was paranoid? Prince had issues with his record company. And he refused to use the name Prince. Obviously something made him think that he wasn't being treated right. Do you think he was paranoid? Do you have anything nice to say about Michael? You are a fan of his music, right?

 

[HemlockDevi]

I Agree but I think they are here more than to start shiz, I believe the people who planned and carried out Michael MURDER are here, see their Paranoia gives them no PEACE they have Murdered an Innocent Man for his NAME, FAME, RESPECT and MONEY. They are not hard to spot just MARK them, they continue to promote anything that says "Michael was a drug addict", "all that stuff they found was Michael when even the Authorities know now it was PLANTED in the home while they where Murdereing Michael", they fight with anyone thats truly honest in their Love for Michael Jackson" or "that are after the TRUTH about those involved with Michael Murder". They are persistent but they are also GUILTY of MURDER and they know IT. So you are right about not trusting people on this forum because where we are seeking the Truth and know it to some extent, they KNOW the TRUTH and want to keep it hid and they have alot of influence but its too LATE its a HOMICIDE now and THE TRUTH is OUT and will CONTINUE to come out because MICHAEL JACKSON WAS WORTH MORE DEAD THAN ALIVE TO HIS KILLERS and if you realize who he was worth more to DEAD then you too know who they are and where they are and you know all the answers and THE TRUTH. They will not GET AWAY WITH MURDERING MICHAEL JACKSON in this LIFE or the one to come and thats for SURE.

Great response WhoIsIt#1 and too true.

The moles are here and Mr know exactly who I'm talking about.

This is the last post in regards to this obvious and sophmoric destraction. I don't waste timer with shills. so type in vain I'll never read it.

Remember the topic was "So It Begins..."Worth More Dead Than Alive". Not insult this forum?


Yes Michael Jackson was murdered. The media nor the moles here will denote this fact. Homocide is murder by another name.


Kanye West is next on their hitlist. He is being drugged now he will "meltdown" and the media will be there to "explain it"

 

[darklight]

So him thinking people were out to get him was just him sensationalizing something not there? He knew people were out to get him he was terrified that people would do him in... Look what happened. Yea he was against all of the bold up there. But hes gone and something happened. Something that shouldn't have happened if the doctor was any good. Michael would be alive today if he had a doctor that would have gotten his license from a collage rather then a Cracker Jack Box.

We know what we know and that is that the doctor did EVERYTHING wrong. We are not creating anything we are simply discussing possibilities as to what could have happened and what could have caused this and what could have SAVED Michael.

Its still hard for fans to believe that he is gone. You look at him and see a face so full of life, a body so full of energy you wonder how could he possibly be gone? Then reality sets in and the flood gates open all over again. Its going to take eons to get over or to accept it fully. Talking about possibilities of why it happened could help people deal with this. Its not that we are "Creating conspiracies" its that we are trying to figure out the truth.

I Agree but I think they are here more than to start shiz, I believe the people who planned and carried out Michael MURDER are here, see their Paranoia gives them no PEACE they have Murdered an Innocent Man for his NAME, FAME, RESPECT and MONEY. They are not hard to spot just MARK them, they continue to promote anything that says "Michael was a drug addict", "all that stuff they found was Michael when even the Authorities know now it was PLANTED in the home while they where Murdereing Michael", they fight with anyone thats truly honest in their Love for Michael Jackson" or "that are after the TRUTH about those involved with Michael Murder". They are persistent but they are also GUILTY of MURDER and they know IT. So you are right about not trusting people on this forum because where we are seeking the Truth and know it to some extent, they KNOW the TRUTH and want to keep it hid and they have alot of influence but its too LATE its a HOMICIDE now and THE TRUTH is OUT and will CONTINUE to come out because MICHAEL JACKSON WAS WORTH MORE DEAD THAN ALIVE TO HIS KILLERS and if you realize who he was worth more to DEAD then you too know who they are and where they are and you know all the answers and THE TRUTH. They will not GET AWAY WITH MURDERING MICHAEL JACKSON in this LIFE or the one to come and thats for SURE.

I have to say i totally agree with a lot of what both of you are saying i honestly don't think I need to say much more you've basically said it all!

There's definately something not right about Mj's death but what I don't know 100% for sure, In any case I hope whomever is responsible will be duly punished 'cause they deserve nothing but the worst punishment for killing Michael

 

[rainny]

I don't believe any illegal drug was found in Neverland. If so,

he would have been charged by possesion of drugs FAST.

 

[Mr. Penguin]

I don't believe any illegal drug was found in Neverland. If so,

he would have been charged by possesion of drugs FAST.

You can't be charged when it cannot be proved that you are the owner of these drugs.

No one could prove that the drugs found at Neverland were Michaels.

 

[Mr. Penguin]

Lol guys... I will make a bet now.

NO one will be charged by the cops for the death of Michael.

If you want to believe in a conspiracy (Sony, planting of drugs etc.) then fine... But a rational mind wouldn't go that far when you look at Michaels previous drug usage and what he stated on his own.

 

[MJ#1WhoIsIt]

Lol guys... I will make a bet now.

NO one will be charged by the cops for the death of Michael.

If you want to believe in a conspiracy (Sony, planting of drugs etc.) then fine... But a rational mind wouldn't go that far when you look at Michaels previous drug usage and what he stated on his own.

not "1" but "MANY" people WILL BE ARRESTED, CONVICTED and SENTENCE for Michael Jackson's MURDER.

What ? ? ? WHO SAW or GOT DRUGS for MICHAEL JACKSON since he returned to the USA in 2007 ? ? ? No one is that BAD to come forth with the LIE. Even LAPD know Murray DIDNT MURDER Michael Jackson they want his KILLERS who planned and carried out this MURDER not just using people from different states but different COUNTRIES oh yes they know about them too, this is an INTERNATIONAL HOMICIDE.

and WHATEVER drug problems Michael Jackson HAD was "STARTED" by his DOCTORS which already has been PROVEN.

MICHAEL JACKSON WAS MURDERED and that in the 1st DEGREE just watch the JURY VERDICT.

NO ONE WILL GET AWAY with the PREMEDITATED MURDER OF MICHAEL JACKSON no one. NO matter how hard any tried to get away with it and keep flooding messages boards and news media. CANT KILL ALL OF GOD'S CHILDREN and you CERTAINLY CANT GET AWAY WITH KILLING just "1". Apparantly you dont know who some of the people on this forum really are and you certainly dont know who we are and who MICHAEL JACKSON is to your GOD and MY GOD the CREATOR OF THIS EARTH, but GOD certainly want mind proving to you WHO he IS and WHAT HIS CHILDREN mean to him. Like I said in another post there where people who conspired to MURDER MICHAEL JACKSON and I can certainly understand your BLINDNESS but to much has come to the LIGHT now and anyone that wants to continue to walk in DARKNESS its by there choice now, there are only "3" kinds of people involved with this; the 1st ones who are really blind and still living in the past they will be enlighten and will choose one of the other two sides, the 2nd ones who know the TRUTH and want to keep it hid and the third ones who KNOW the TRUTH and WILL NOT LET MICHAEL JACKSON KILLERS go UNPUNISHED. Michael's MURDERERS either didnt want to accept or chose to forget there are PEOPLE in this EARTH placed by GOD to UnCover what was done to MICHAEL JACKSON, when they MURDERED Michael Jackson they ENDED their OWN LIFE, Michael was CHOSEN and CALLED BY GOD TO COME INTO THIS EARTH AND DO JUST WHAT HE DID, in away it was a setup by GOD but MAN made their choice, Michael Jackson's MURDERERS are the WALKING DEAD NOW and Michael is alive and all those whom GOD has CHOSEN to handle this will never DIE, we are IMMORTALS and we FEAR NO MAN whose limit is his MORTALITY. Anyone thats wants to play with this can make fun, critizes, send more red herrings, doubts, this man was MURDERED and there is NO ESCAPE for his KILLERS, we will all see who's laughing FOREVER. You give alot of information Mr. Penguin, I like your name it reminds me of Ebony and Ivory, Good and Evil.

 

[Mr. Penguin]

not "1" but "MANY" people WILL BE ARRESTED, CONVICTED and SENTENCE for Michael Jackson's MURDER.

What ? ? ? WHO SAW or GOT DRUGS for MICHAEL JACKSON since he returned to the USA in 2007 ? ? ? No one is that BAD to come forth with the LIE. Even LAPD know Murray DIDNT MURDER Michael Jackson they want his KILLERS who planned and carried out this MURDER not just using people from different states but different COUNTRIES oh yes they know about them too, this is an INTERNATIONAL HOMICIDE.

and WHATEVER drug problems Michael Jackson HAD was "STARTED" by his DOCTORS which already has been PROVEN.

MICHAEL JACKSON WAS MURDERED and that in the 1st DEGREE just watch the JURY VERDICT.

NO ONE WILL GET AWAY with the PREMEDITATED MURDER OF MICHAEL JACKSON no one. NO matter how hard any tried to get away with it and keep flooding messages boards and news media. CANT KILL ALL OF GOD'S CHILDREN and you CERTAINLY CANT GET AWAY WITH KILLING just "1". Apparantly you dont know who some of the people on this forum really are and you certainly dont know who we are and who MICHAEL JACKSON is to your GOD and MY GOD the CREATOR OF THIS EARTH, but GOD certainly want mind proving to you WHO he IS and WHAT HIS CHILDREN mean to him. Like I said in another post there where people who conspired to MURDER MICHAEL JACKSON and I can certainly understand your BLINDNESS but to much has come to the LIGHT now and anyone that wants to continue to walk in DARKNESS its by there choice now, there are only "3" kinds of people involved with this; the 1st ones who are really blind and still living in the past they will be enlighten and will choose one of the other two sides, the 2nd ones who know the TRUTH and want to keep it hid and the third ones who KNOW the TRUTH and WILL NOT LET MICHAEL JACKSON KILLERS go UNPUNISHED. Michael's MURDERERS either didnt want to accept or chose to forget there are PEOPLE in this EARTH placed by GOD to UnCover what was done to MICHAEL JACKSON, when they MURDERED Michael Jackson they ENDED their OWN LIFE, Michael was CHOSEN and CALLED BY GOD TO COME INTO THIS EARTH AND DO JUST WHAT HE DID, in away it was a setup by GOD but MAN made their choice, Michael Jackson's MURDERERS are the WALKING DEAD NOW and Michael is alive and all those whom GOD has CHOSEN to handle this will never DIE, we are IMMORTALS and we FEAR NO MAN whose limit is his MORTALITY. Anyone thats wants to play with this can make fun, critizes, send more red herrings, doubts, this man was MURDERED and there is NO ESCAPE for his KILLERS, we will all see who's laughing FOREVER. You give alot of information Mr. Penguin, I like your name it reminds me of Ebony and Ivory, Good and Evil.

God should've saved Michael when time was due...

 

[princessleia]

You can't be charged when it cannot be proved that you are the owner of these drugs.

No one could prove that the drugs found at Neverland were Michaels.

And that's exactly the point, you also have absolutely no proof they were his. I think it's actually very unlikely they were his, why would he keep something like that in the kitchen of all places so that any employee can find it and run to the tabloids or the police with it???

Also, it's just totally irrelevant what was found or not found in his house six years ago, because with a rational mind you can't draw any conclusions from that about his condition in 2009.
Even if he'd been the greatest drug addict in the world - which of course he wasn't and I have serious doubts if he was addicted at all - it still wouldn't make any difference because he didn't die from "being a drug addict", but from receiving a lethal amount of propofol from someone else.

If the coroner was willing to call a homicide, it means that there is absolutely no chance that he could have administered it to himself or that it was an accidental overdose. I believe if they had any chance not to call this a homicide they wouldn't have, so the evidence has to be pretty obvious.

 

[MJ#1WhoIsIt]

God should've saved Michael when time was due...

Michael was SAVED when GOD sent him forth into this EARTH and he is alive forever more now. Or do you mean saved from Man MURDERING him ? ? ? because if thats what you mean then you should know its his MURDERERS that need to be saved, you dont really believe EVERYTHING ENDS in DEATH here do you? ? I know you are smarter than that just from reading your posts, you know Death is just a DOOR.

 

[CantHelpIt28]

Is an easy thing to make someone a scapegoat when that person isn't around to defend himself or herself. Michael was a star but he was a little guy in comparison to the corporate world. But no one is bigger than God.

 

[Diana Hart]

Is an easy thing to make someone a scapegoat when that person isn't around to defend himself or herself. Michael was a star but he was a little guy in comparison to the corporate world. But no one is bigger than God.

100% agree

 

[Diana Hart]

you dont really believe EVERYTHING ENDS in DEATH here do you? ? I know you are smarter than that just from reading your posts, you know Death is just a DOOR.

agree , too!

 

[MJ TinkerBell]

It sounds like I am building a case for his full Defence. And Not Guilty of anything that he did. It all be understood and explained,
with no questions un-answered.

Complete and utter VINDICATION..of him and for HIM..!!!

I am not afraid of the message, it's actually seeing what he went through, and not as the adoring, worshiper that I was. This is more, because I yearn and long for more of him.

A craving about having him so fresh and present in my life, like air.

I realized I was beginning to shake and quiver all over. And I rememebered what had happened to wonderful Wondering, last night when we got on here.

I was at work and became so close to tears, at the words that were coming at me in their perfect order.

I couldn't let people see me trying NOT to panic..The poem wasen't stopping for the customers as I had to.

I ran here to the house (Chatroom on here..) and called an emergency crisis intervention MJ style.. And Wonderful Wondering and NJ, and Princess answered my 911 so I could give them the 411..STAT!!

As I had to get control and stop the writting of the message, I had to stop the music to be able to stop..Like taking myself off oxygen..it's in the music.

I always knew he could talk to me and US through his music. And the reason he was able to be what he was, through the music. I can't rememeber how many times I said he is talking and conversating with us through it..

It saved him, it saved US, it will always save you..

I realized that when I got the vision 8 days before he died, I continued to ask GOD why he had allowed me to know this. It came through the music AT ME..

I had to look a round an empty room to verify what I just heard, but did not see. I heard it..The music was like different, it was like the blood in the music had stopped. I stopped breathing, holding my breath..

Like it ceased to exist. Michael's music has personalities all their own, a character in each and none are the same, and he sang thousands of songs..His very life in every single one.

That is why his music is ART!!! Something created by one that wasen't afraid to put it out here or there for others, to admire, stare at and touch off a spark in you that you could change the world, over his art!!!

Michael was an ARTIST, and that word is thrown around to liberally these days, by people who think they thought they knew what it really means.

There was no one who did what Michael did, he was better than Michaelangelo, Raphiel, and Leonardo, for this one reason, he did it with his MUSIC..

No ARTIST has EVER done this, in history.

He was created human by a GOD who meant to prove to you, how something so unexplainably perfect by design, can really achieve and attain the fibre of pure unadulterated LOVE..Through his MUSIC..

He wasen't a perfect cook, he would never be a bus driver, he was exactly what GOD made him to be. The inspiration that we could do it if he could it, becasue he was a guarantee and powerful evidence that it could be done.

He wasen't arrogant, but he damned well could have been. He didn't take short cuts. He didn't have the world served on a platter to him. This would all come as a sidekick to his ULTIMATE PERFECTION..in his ART!!

I want to take every peice of art he made, and put it all in my room, and never come out I wouldn't share. I would never stop looking and seeing the beautiful compositions fit for a GOD, his GOD..unfold in his very being.

My heart is flying right now thinking of his energy, pure air in the space he was in, the sheer vibrations of the very place he occupied.

His own Atmosphere and Galaxy..Who knows what it would have felt like in it..

He doesn't need to be arrogant, he knew! He was a champion for women's rights as I have ever seen. He was squeaky clean for the spotlight. Living up to the image and conformity that is the entire world's MAGNIFYING GLASS.

It wasen't enough that he gave ALL he had been given, there where others who wanted whatever it was he had and they weren't above stealing it, either.

It's only WACK-O *****, they'd say, "who would listen to a child hugging, rollercoaster riding, ARTIST, who saves cancer ridden little kids and doesn't drink" and doesn't he play with monkeys?"!!!! HAHAHAHAHA

No one..but US..his first LOVE..HIS KIND of LOVE, he returned our LOVE...No one esles for 45 years, the entire playbook of my nightmare called my childhood, many scars but no healing...

He was there with me in every dark night when I cried and prayed for more death or more life, it had to get better than this. I needed him to survive. I needed him to comeback, I would have taken a crumb..


If you really love him, you know it could NEVER end between him and US.
You don't have to let him go, because we are his and we are US now....

Remeber silly he always used to say "No, I Love you, MORE..."


Sorry- I cannot obviously carry on talking like this and my heart not break with incredible joy and severe pain, thinking of him..oh the tears are coming faster now, they don't burn me anymore..though..
But I don't know if I can sleep, because just getting this out tears me up..and I don't think I can get anymore out, I am still at work, and I can't stall anymore to stay and say more..
-If I can't sleep, that means I will be up all night. I will finish, whatever comes out.
-If I decide to look at some of the greatest art I have ever heard on planet earth..I may sleep and and dream of him, and search and chase him til I get my crumb..

I am so Michael Jackson in Love with you all right now..

-Always and Forever Michael's Joyangel
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[Autumn II]

Are you guys now implying that I murdered Michael, just because I'm new here and go against these conspiracies? -.-'

THIS is the kind of prejudice I'm talking about... It's paranoia beyond comprehension

With all due respect, that is quite enough of that type of argument. Please, everyone, don't even engage with it!

Again, here are the guidelines of the Investigative Unit:

MJJC Investigative Unit In this forum we question Michael's death, the latest news and stories surrounding his death and the conspiracy theories - contains heavy speculation so please if you aren't able to respect the atmosphere of this section do not enter.

And everyone, it's digressive to have this type of argument. Please do not engage with it, nor quote posts that are digressive about what is being done here. No one is required to enter this forum, and if it's too upsetting, there are plenty of other forums to visit.

Thank you,

Vic

 

[AmberR]

MJ#1WhoIsIt absolutely brilliant post, Thanks
Yes there are peple put on earth by God to uncover the truth.