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So Katherine will be on 60 Minutes Australia?

^^Gee why start back with an issue that ended over the weekend. This is Tuesday of the next week.
 
It would break Michael's heart to see us behave like this :(
I don't know any of them personal, so I happen to believe that Michael did best when he decided to choose his mum (Which he loved very much!) to take care of his kids, if somthing ever chould happen to him.
I also strongly believe, that Katherine is doing the best she can, as she said herself ; these are different times, so many things has changed.
I considder myself as a good mum, still I make mistakes too, like every parent does.
...I can imagine it must be so hard for her to raise these kids while the whole world is watching her every move.

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^^ Yes sure MJ would be happy to see how his mum is raising his kids. MJ was barely buried when she sold kids to porn producer. To her, times hasn't changed at all, she sold her own kids to the entertainment business to get out of ghetto of Gary, but what was her reason to sell PPB to this porn producer? Lack of money? Needing warm clothes and food? Her family was starving, and she needed to make money?

You or I do not know what MJ would say if he was still here and seen everything that has happened to his children since 06/25, but I take a wild quess and say he would have taken trip to his lawyer and altered his will to remove KJ as guardian to his kids.
 
Bubs said:
^^ Yes sure MJ would be happy to see how his mum is raising his kids. MJ was barely buried when she sold kids to porn producer. To her, times hasn't changed at all, she sold her own kids to the entertainment business to get out of ghetto of Gary, but what was her reason to sell PPB to this porn producer? Lack of money? Needing warm clothes and food? Her family was starving, and she needed to make money?

You or I do not know what MJ would say if he was still here and seen everything that has happened to his children since 06/25, but I take a wild quess and say he would have taken trip to his lawyer and altered his will to remove KJ as guardian to his kids.
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Have there been ever taken porn photo's of these kids??

I hate to say it, because God knows I love the man (Michael) but he should have thought about it better before....for a man who loves his kids so dearly, I can't imagine it never crossed his mind, to change his wil, even because he so often thought people were going to kill him.
 
^^ The point wasn't that HM was going to take naked photos of kids, although he is such a creep he would have done it if possible. The point was that KJ signed a contract with HM in which also says Katherine has the legal right to "forever bind" Michael's kids, Prince, Paris and Blanket.

Legally she couldn't do that, but she signed it anyway and what for? If you ask me what she did was sick. Who does that, do you?

Yes, I agree MJ should have thought better guardian to his kids, like wolves take better care of kids than KJ, but she showed only one side of herself to MJ, not the cold calculating side, or maybe MJ just refused to see his mother in real light?
 
^^Oh no, he hasn't done anything porn related with PBB but those events and interviews they did shortly after their father's passing were Howard Mann's (aren't I mistaking him with other guy?) and KJ's idea. Probably Michael though she wouldn't commit the same mistakes with his children than with him but yes, I agree with Bubs there wasn't ANY need to sell PPB out.
 
Bubs said:
^^ The point wasn't that HM was going to take naked photos of kids, although he is such a creep he would have done it if possible. The point was that KJ signed a contract with HM in which also says Katherine has the legal right to "forever bind" Michael's kids, Prince, Paris and Blanket.

Legally she couldn't do that, but she signed it anyway and what for? If you ask me what she did was sick. Who does that, do you?

Yes, I agree MJ should have thought better guardian to his kids, like wolves take better care of kids than KJ, but she showed only one side of herself to MJ, not the cold calculating side, or maybe MJ just refused to see his mother in real light?
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Maybe he just loved her too much to see (If there is another side)

I just read the thread :MJ's handwritten notes AEG Trial ...first of all I have to say, how sorry I feel for Michael , all these notes are to see for the whole world :(
Note nr 3: He wrote Mother do you need $?
I think Michael took financially care for his mum over the years...I can't see anything wrong with that.
 
@Treasure, re the notes, Michael totally supported his mother with little (I mean little) help from Janet. I don't doubt that he wanted to support her but it's tough when we know the debt he was in and yet would still gift his mother money and cars. Unfortunately in order to support KJ he also ended up financially supporting many other members of the family, and I just don't think it's fair that that was expected of him.

It saddens me, but imo Michael was the cash cow for the family and since his death the family have started using his children to make money and endorse certain project, their lives now are totally the opposite to when he was alive.
 
I think that Michael knew the type of person his mother was. He knew her good points and not so good points. I think he was in the business for decades and knew how much he would be valued after his death. He felt his mother would get a lot of money through his will, so she would not have to do anything that would impact his children negatively. She would have money to live in style and relaxation, with staff to help care for his children. I think he had the right idea, but he forgot that his siblings were part of the equation. His siblings are the ones who are driving Katherine to do all these business deals, and becoming a public speaker. Michael only thought mother and my children when he made his plans, and that was the error he made.

I think if Katherine had to deal only with Michael's children and live in that house with them, we would have none of these tragedies. If all her kids were grown & financially stable with their own businesses, she would be left alone to take care of Michael's children. I really don't understand why Michael dismissed the influence of his siblings, unless he did not realize the extent of their greed for his money?
 
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I know Michael supported his mum and yes maybe even family (We don't know for sure, but we assume) afterall I don't know any members of the family personal.
Even when Michael wasn't in the position, he still did, isn't that his choice?
I am from a very close family ...believe me, if I were rich I would support my family too! (I am not, thank god, cause see what it brings)

If Michael would be still alive, his kids would have been on internet etc as well ..don't forget they are not that little anymore....Little kids, little worries, big kids,big worries.
For example: wearing a mask? Thats easy when they are little, but I'll bet they had complained by now ;)
 
^^ About MJ keeping kids faces covered. He wasn't going to keep them covered forever, there are tons of photos of them with MJ without veils.

I understand what you say that you want to help your family. You see, the difference between you and MJ was that you want to help you family, but all of his life MJ was made to feel that it was his responsibility to help all family members, and I honestly don't think he helped many of them, at least not in the later of his life. He refused to pay Marlon's mortgage, so he lost his house. Marlon was old enough to tackle with his own money problems, or at least should be man enough to take care of his own issues.
MJ paid education to some of his siblings kids, but when his siblings asked him to tour with them so they could make money to support themselves, MJ point blank refused, and I can see why. He wanted his siblings to stand on their own and not rely on him everytime they run in to troubles. That is the thing those Jackson's never learnt, stand on their own.
You teach your kids do their best when you send them out in the world and stand on their own, why Jacksons (most of them nearly qualify for free bus pass) couldn't do the same?

Btw, if MJ wanted to support his siblings, their names would have been in his Will.

Not to mention what he said to Prince:
As long as I can remember my dad had repeatedly warned me of certain people and their ways.
-Michael Jackson Jr.

Why do you think MJ repeatedly warned about those people?
 
Treasure said:
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I know Michael supported his mum and yes maybe even family (We don't know for sure, but we assume) afterall I don't know any members of the family personal.
Even when Michael wasn't in the position, he still did, isn't that his choice?
I am from a very close family ...believe me, if I were rich I would support my family too! (I am not, thank god, cause see what it brings)

If Michael would be still alive, his kids would have been on internet etc as well ..don't forget they are not that little anymore....Little kids, little worries, big kids,big worries.
For example: wearing a mask? Thats easy when they are little, but I'll bet they had complained by now ;)
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Well, we know other members lives at Havenhurst and we know Michael footed the bill for every household expense, that is support imo. We also know he paid school fees for at least three of the brothers children.

And of course that his his choice, and I really hope he did so willingly and easily, I hope given how the finances ended up that it wasn't just another burden that he felt was his responsibility. Don't forget KJ had lawsuits against her for business deals, don't forget she was bankrupt.

Having said all of that, I don't think you will find anyone here claim that Michael didn't love her.
 
Michael loved his mother with all his heart til the last breath he took. That makes her betrayel even worse IMO.
 
There is nothing wrong with helping your mom out or your family out from time to time. But in Michael's case it didn't seem like it was a some time thing. It seems like he was required to do so and all these people for the most part are older than him. Does anyone wonder why Michael kept his distance from them and they hardly saw him? It's not because he was a druggie or people keeping him away. He chose that. Other people spent time with Michael more than they did and knew things more than they did because Michael wanted to spend time with them. I believe Katherine loved Michael and her grief is real because you can see it her face the pain of it all. She needs to let her kids grow up already. She gets money and it's like she gives the money like an allowance and they are pushy in their 50s and 60s.
 
marebear said:
There is nothing wrong with helping your mom out or your family out from time to time. But in Michael's case it didn't seem like it was a some time thing. It seems like he was required to do so and all these people for the most part are older than him. Does anyone wonder why Michael kept his distance from them and they hardly saw him? It's not because he was a druggie or people keeping him away. He chose that. Other people spent time with Michael more than they did and knew things more than they did because Michael wanted to spend time with them. I believe Katherine loved Michael and her grief is real because you can see it her face the pain of it all. She needs to let her kids grow up already. She gets money and it's like she gives the money like an allowance and they are pushy in their 50s and 60s.
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That bolded part was my point. MJ was never let to feel that he WANTS to help his family, he was made to feel like it was his sole DUTY to take care of all of them. Want and need are wo different things.
I think that was the reason for when he needed a place to stay, he never went to stay with any of his family members. He rather stayed months with Cascios cramped house sleeping on the couch, than stayed with any Jackson's with same amount of rooms.
I always think that its not what MJ said, but what he did, actions speak louder than any words.
 
His will says it all too in my opinion. He did enough for them and more. I wonder if he ever got a thank you from anyone.
 
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