Spike Lee announces Off The Wall Documentary - Estate Announcement Page 66

Well my only hope for seeing this before the discs are released is that someone uploads it somewhere...I am pretty hyped for the doc. Maybe because we had nothing for 1 1/2 years.
 
Does anyone here have plans to record it and upload a TV Rip in 2000 Watts?
 
Not so great review by the guardian

Michael Jackson’s Journey from Motown to Off the Wall review – Spike Lee plays it safe in documentary

The archival footage is smile-inducing, and some of the talking heads are perceptive – but this film is straightforward and ignores Jackson’s demons

Spike Lee’s documentary work has seen the director delve into huge moments in African American history, pulling at threads and reopening old wounds in the pursuit of shedding new light on familiar stories. In 4 Little Girls he explored the church bombings in Alabama that claimed the lives of four young black girls; When the Levees Broke explored the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina that left many in New Orleans asking whether the Bush administration cared if they lived or died. With Michael Jackson’s Journey from Motown to Off the Wall the MO endures, with Jackson’s evolution from child star to solo pinup drawing Lee’s gaze.

Format-wise, Lee isn’t reinventing the wheel. He opts for smile-inducing stock footage of Jackson and his brothers becoming the Jackson Five and then managing the transition into the (edgier) Jacksons – renamed for legal reasons after they left Motown. The story is told by talking heads including David Byrne, Rosie Perez, Philadelphia soul production unit Gamble and Huff, Lee himself, Kobe Bryant and John Legend. Lee reminds us that Michael Jackson as a solo prospect wasn’t the dead cert you’d imagine in the 70s: he was seen as child star whose flame might have burned out. Could this spotty, insecure tween really become a global megastar?

It’s that journey from boy to man that interests Lee and he makes the case that there were a few crucial moments in that evolution. The first was his move with four of his brothers from Motown to Epic (Jermaine couldn’t join them as he was married to Motown mogul Berry Gordy’s daughter). That saw them pair with Gamble and Huff, who’d established themselves as the Jam and Lewis of the 70s – producing hits for the O’Jays, Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes and MFSB, as well as developing the “Philly sound”, which set the template for the decade’s best disco.

The second came when Jackson ventured to New York City and spent time in Studio 54, absorbing the dance moves and the music. The third was Jackson himself becoming more confident and outspoken (in a letter he wrote on tour he outlines his desire to become the “greatest” and to be known henceforth as “MJ”). There’s also the endless work he put into his singing and dance moves, taking inspiration from Gene Kelly’s “street style” (and white socks), as well as riffing on the moves of Fred Astaire and Sammy Davis Jr. It’s a point hammered home by Bryant, the former LA Lakers point guard who was the subject of his own documentary last year, and who revelled in his selfishness and control – he makes the point that many of the greats share that trait, including Jackson.

It’s a brazen celebration of Jackson, which unlike Lee’s other documentary work doesn’t look under the hood to tell the whole story and examine some of the more uncomfortable inner workings. The patriarch Joseph Jackson appears, but there isn’t a second spent on his abusive treatment of Michael or his siblings, which drove them to heights he couldn’t achieve himself.

Due to the parameters set by the film there’s no time spent on Jackson’s troubled later years or indeed his actual evolution into a global megastar which came with his next album, Thriller. Lee delivers what the title promises, but it feels very much like a film that’s been made to coincide with an album reissue. In a period of top quality, inventive music documentaries (Amy and 20000 Days on Earth, Montage of Heck et al) this feels like late-night BBC4 fare or for those in the US, something Showtime would broadcast – and indeed the cable channel has bought it and is showing it on Friday 5 February at 9pm ET.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/201...to-off-the-wall-review-sspike-lee-documentary
 
^Its fine. People want a 10 hour biography instead of what it is. An analysis of an album in a cultural and personal context.
To me, this is the most important time in Michael's life. I celebrated then. I celebrate now.


(The only real gripe I've heard is that Rosie Perez is given too much screen time. Not sure why she's in it, except she was important to Soul Train back then.)
 
av club review

Spike Lee looks back at the moment when Michael Jackson went Off The Wall

The follow-up to Lee’s acclaimed doc about Bad examines how Jackson left Motown (and boyhood) behind.

In 1971, Marvin Gaye released What’s Going On, an ambitious, socially conscious LP that he had to fight with his bosses at Motown to make. That same year, Stevie Wonder finished up his Where I’m Coming From, the first of a string of 1970s album that he wrote, produced, and performed mostly by himself, using his leverage as a hitmaker to get Motown to leave him alone. Meanwhile, around the same time, The Temptations had begun pioneering a sound that came to be known as “psychedelic soul,” stretching out on singles like “Ball Of Confusion” and “Papa Was A Rollin’ Stone.”

This freedom to experiment was paid for in part by The Jackson 5, Motown’s newest and youngest stars, who in 1969 and 1970 recorded four straight Billboard No. 1s: “I Want You Back,” “ABC,” “The Love You Save,” and “I’ll Be There.” While the label’s other acts were rebelling against their leader Berry Gordy’s rules and regimens, the Jacksons were proof that the old blueprint still worked: If musicians let Gordy groom them, train them, and provide them with songs, they could get famous. All it cost them was their creative freedom.

Spike Lee’s documentary Michael Jackson’s Journey From Motown To Off The Wall explains how The Jacksons’ frontman stealthily—almost imperceptibly—achieved his independence. This is the second doc that the Jackson estate has hired Lee to helm, and it’s a marked improvement over the one made to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Bad. That film, while fleetingly insightful, was overlong, laboriously documenting the creation of every song and every video. From Motown To Off The Wall is shorter and fleeter, even though it covers a lot more ground.

Lee opens with a subtle sort of overture, holding back any kind of narration or talking-head interviews for a few minutes so that he can show short clips of Michael Jackson at the end of the 1970s and the start of the 1980s—ending on him in concert with his brothers, half-pretending that he’s not going to do a medley of Jackson 5 hits because they’re “old.” Then Lee jumps right into the story, moving swiftly from the heyday of the J5 to the startling moment in 1975 when the Jacksons turned their collective back on Gordy and signed with Columbia Records’ Epic imprint.

Nearly half the film goes by before Lee gets to Michael’s groundbreaking, multiplatinum 1979 album Off The Wall, at which point he follows much the same formula that he did with Bad 25, going through the LP song-by-song. Interviews with some of the musicians and writers who worked on the record—along with testimonials from Questlove, John Legend, Kobe Bryant, John Leguizamo, and more—help explain how what initially seemed like just another slick set of pop and R&B songs became a phenomenon.

Also like Bad 25, From Motown To Off The Wall particularly emphasizes what Michael Jackson meant to the black community during the time period covered in the documentary. Early in the film, former Motown executive Suzanne De Passe talks about how The Jackson 5—with their frequent TV variety appearances and Saturday morning cartoon—gave African-American kids their own equivalent to The Mickey Mouse Club. Then came The Jacksons’ massive, eyebrow-raising Epic deal, which at the time was a risky investment in the persistent popularity of an act that white America assumed was played-out.

At first, the naysayers seemed to be right, as The Jackson 5 struggled with a new home and new expectations. But then the band’s third Epic album, 1978’s Destiny, produced the Top 10 pop hit “Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground).” That same year, Michael Jackson was the highlight of Sidney Lumet’s otherwise disappointing movie version of the musical The Wiz; and he also became a high-profile regular at New York’s hottest disco, Studio 54. It wasn’t just Epic’s gamble that was starting to play off. It was as though all the years that young fans followed one cute little boy’s career were retroactively becoming time well-spent, as he matured into manhood.

He capped off that flurry of activity by planning and recording Off The Wall with one of his Wiz collaborators, producer Quincy Jones. The album features club-ready tracks like “Don’t Stop ’Til You Get Enough,” roller-skating pop jams like “Rock With You,” tearjerking ballads like “She’s Out Of My Life,” unclassifiable genre-bending hybrids like the title track, and even a song, “Girlfriend,” written for Jackson by Paul McCartney. In Lee’s film, the panel of expert interviewees marvels at the album’s variety and ambition.

One talks about how black artists—just like black athletes—sometimes see their accomplishments diminished by critics and reporters who praise their “natural gifts” and ignore the years of training and calculation. But the archives and notes that Lee taps for From Motown To Off The Wall reveal how carefully Jackson thought about his music and his public image—right down to his plan to ditch his child star persona by reinventing himself as someone mysterious and “magic.” One of the best anecdotes mentions how “She’s Out Of My Life” writer Tom Bahler hesitated to give the song to Jackson because he was saving it for Frank Sinatra, until Jones reassured him that after Michael sang it, “Sinatra will do it anyway.” That’s some kind of confidence right there. Or maybe just awareness.

The narrow scope of both Bad 25 and now From Motown To Off The Wall has advantages and disadvantages. The upside is that Lee is freed from having to delve into some of the more bizarre, unsavory, and controversial aspects of Jackson’s later life and career. The downside is that both docs are more or less just extended ads for Sony’s anniversary reissues of Michael’s albums. This new one also has some qualities of hagiography, establishing how with Off The Wall the artist’s singular genius shown through, unfiltered, for the first time—leading eventually to Thriller, an unparalleled commercial blockbuster.

Still, there’s plenty of Lee’s personality in this movie: from the snippet of a film about disco that he shot in 1977 to the eclectic assemblage of people he talks to about Jackson and Off The Wall. Who else would think to ask Misty Copeland about Michael’s dancing, or would take a few seconds to ask The Wiz screenwriter Joel Schumacher about writing the scripts for Car Wash and Sparkle? (Lee even gets a few comments from David Byrne, a literal Talking Head(s).)

The use of the word “journey” in Michael Jackson’s Journey From Motown To Off The Wall is key to what Lee does with what is, essentially, a corporate assignment. There’s a strong sub-current to the film that isn’t about the album per se, but about how Jackson spent a decade quietly watching, listening, and strategizing while friends like Marvin and Stevie made bigger statements—and about how the truly hip were paying attention all along.

http://www.avclub.com/review/spike-lee-looks-back-moment-when-michael-jackson-w-231720
 
OnirMJ;4132941 said:
Not so great review by the guardian

The archival footage is smile-inducing, and some of the talking heads are perceptive – but this film is straightforward and ignores Jackson’s demons

All his demons from his early 20s when no one was trying to invade his personal life 24/7. Right.

Sometimes I wonder how these people have jobs.
 
They want to see a documentary of tabloid Michael, not the real one. They want elephant man bones, plastic surgery, Bubbles, hyperbaric, and casting spells on Spielberg and so on. The Michael who made music is so boring to compare to tabloid Michael:smilerolleyes:
 
Some of the media always wants to focus on controversy and they are never going to be satisfied with something that doesn't include much controversy. To me it is positive that this documentary does not dwell on such things. First of all there hasn't been much big controversy at the time in MJ's life, second there are enough "documentaries" out there focusing exclusively on gossip and trash about MJ. Why is that not enough? Why is 20 years of trashing him is not enough for these people? Why do these people act as if those "demons" haven't been covered already to death? They can call it a "fan documentary" all they want (I'm sure that they would never call negative "documentaries" about him "hater documentaries" though) but I am sure not only hard core fans will be happy to see something that actually focuses on his work for a change, rather than irrelevant tabloid garbage that's been already discussed to death.
 
They want to see a documentary of tabloid Michael, not the real one. They want elephant man bones, plastic surgery, Bubbles, hyperbaric, and casting spells on Spielberg and so on. The Michael who made music is so boring to compare to tabloid Michael:smilerolleyes:

Because "the tabloid Michael" is their creation.
 
since it will be released officially, that's not allowed

It is. It's a TV rip. It's not a leak. After it airs publicly on TV you can share it. Fans should, of course, buy the official copy. I already pre-ordered both DVD and blu-ray versions.

Sharing of DVD or blu-ray rips are not allowed, of course.
 
They want to see a documentary of tabloid Michael, not the real one. They want elephant man bones, plastic surgery, Bubbles, hyperbaric, and casting spells on Spielberg and so on. The Michael who made music is so boring to compare to tabloid Michael:smilerolleyes:

I guess they just can't give that up. And they make sure that we all know that their version of Michael came later. (Instead of just admitting they were wrong).

Speaking of tabloid docs, I had no idea how many there were. Between YouTube and Reelz channel there must be hundreds.
 
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second there are enough "documentaries" out there focusing exclusively on gossip and trash about MJ. Why is that not enough? Why is 20 years of trashing him is not enough for these people?
simple answer: because they're vultures
 
OnirMJ;4132943 said:
av club review

Spike Lee looks back at the moment when Michael Jackson went Off The Wall

The follow-up to Lee’s acclaimed doc about Bad examines how Jackson left Motown (and boyhood) behind.

In 1971, Marvin Gaye released What’s Going On, an ambitious, socially conscious LP that he had to fight with his bosses at Motown to make. That same year, Stevie Wonder finished up his Where I’m Coming From, the first of a string of 1970s album that he wrote, produced, and performed mostly by himself, using his leverage as a hitmaker to get Motown to leave him alone. Meanwhile, around the same time, The Temptations had begun pioneering a sound that came to be known as “psychedelic soul,” stretching out on singles like “Ball Of Confusion” and “Papa Was A Rollin’ Stone.”

This freedom to experiment was paid for in part by The Jackson 5, Motown’s newest and youngest stars, who in 1969 and 1970 recorded four straight Billboard No. 1s: “I Want You Back,” “ABC,” “The Love You Save,” and “I’ll Be There.” While the label’s other acts were rebelling against their leader Berry Gordy’s rules and regimens, the Jacksons were proof that the old blueprint still worked: If musicians let Gordy groom them, train them, and provide them with songs, they could get famous. All it cost them was their creative freedom.

Spike Lee’s documentary Michael Jackson’s Journey From Motown To Off The Wall explains how The Jacksons’ frontman stealthily—almost imperceptibly—achieved his independence. This is the second doc that the Jackson estate has hired Lee to helm, and it’s a marked improvement over the one made to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Bad. That film, while fleetingly insightful, was overlong, laboriously documenting the creation of every song and every video. From Motown To Off The Wall is shorter and fleeter, even though it covers a lot more ground.

Lee opens with a subtle sort of overture, holding back any kind of narration or talking-head interviews for a few minutes so that he can show short clips of Michael Jackson at the end of the 1970s and the start of the 1980s—ending on him in concert with his brothers, half-pretending that he’s not going to do a medley of Jackson 5 hits because they’re “old.” Then Lee jumps right into the story, moving swiftly from the heyday of the J5 to the startling moment in 1975 when the Jacksons turned their collective back on Gordy and signed with Columbia Records’ Epic imprint.

Nearly half the film goes by before Lee gets to Michael’s groundbreaking, multiplatinum 1979 album Off The Wall, at which point he follows much the same formula that he did with Bad 25, going through the LP song-by-song. Interviews with some of the musicians and writers who worked on the record—along with testimonials from Questlove, John Legend, Kobe Bryant, John Leguizamo, and more—help explain how what initially seemed like just another slick set of pop and R&B songs became a phenomenon.

Also like Bad 25, From Motown To Off The Wall particularly emphasizes what Michael Jackson meant to the black community during the time period covered in the documentary. Early in the film, former Motown executive Suzanne De Passe talks about how The Jackson 5—with their frequent TV variety appearances and Saturday morning cartoon—gave African-American kids their own equivalent to The Mickey Mouse Club. Then came The Jacksons’ massive, eyebrow-raising Epic deal, which at the time was a risky investment in the persistent popularity of an act that white America assumed was played-out.

At first, the naysayers seemed to be right, as The Jackson 5 struggled with a new home and new expectations. But then the band’s third Epic album, 1978’s Destiny, produced the Top 10 pop hit “Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground).” That same year, Michael Jackson was the highlight of Sidney Lumet’s otherwise disappointing movie version of the musical The Wiz; and he also became a high-profile regular at New York’s hottest disco, Studio 54. It wasn’t just Epic’s gamble that was starting to play off. It was as though all the years that young fans followed one cute little boy’s career were retroactively becoming time well-spent, as he matured into manhood.

He capped off that flurry of activity by planning and recording Off The Wall with one of his Wiz collaborators, producer Quincy Jones. The album features club-ready tracks like “Don’t Stop ’Til You Get Enough,” roller-skating pop jams like “Rock With You,” tearjerking ballads like “She’s Out Of My Life,” unclassifiable genre-bending hybrids like the title track, and even a song, “Girlfriend,” written for Jackson by Paul McCartney. In Lee’s film, the panel of expert interviewees marvels at the album’s variety and ambition.

One talks about how black artists—just like black athletes—sometimes see their accomplishments diminished by critics and reporters who praise their “natural gifts” and ignore the years of training and calculation. But the archives and notes that Lee taps for From Motown To Off The Wall reveal how carefully Jackson thought about his music and his public image—right down to his plan to ditch his child star persona by reinventing himself as someone mysterious and “magic.” One of the best anecdotes mentions how “She’s Out Of My Life” writer Tom Bahler hesitated to give the song to Jackson because he was saving it for Frank Sinatra, until Jones reassured him that after Michael sang it, “Sinatra will do it anyway.” That’s some kind of confidence right there. Or maybe just awareness.

The narrow scope of both Bad 25 and now From Motown To Off The Wall has advantages and disadvantages. The upside is that Lee is freed from having to delve into some of the more bizarre, unsavory, and controversial aspects of Jackson’s later life and career. The downside is that both docs are more or less just extended ads for Sony’s anniversary reissues of Michael’s albums. This new one also has some qualities of hagiography, establishing how with Off The Wall the artist’s singular genius shown through, unfiltered, for the first time—leading eventually to Thriller, an unparalleled commercial blockbuster.

Still, there’s plenty of Lee’s personality in this movie: from the snippet of a film about disco that he shot in 1977 to the eclectic assemblage of people he talks to about Jackson and Off The Wall. Who else would think to ask Misty Copeland about Michael’s dancing, or would take a few seconds to ask The Wiz screenwriter Joel Schumacher about writing the scripts for Car Wash and Sparkle? (Lee even gets a few comments from David Byrne, a literal Talking Head(s).)

The use of the word “journey” in Michael Jackson’s Journey From Motown To Off The Wall is key to what Lee does with what is, essentially, a corporate assignment. There’s a strong sub-current to the film that isn’t about the album per se, but about how Jackson spent a decade quietly watching, listening, and strategizing while friends like Marvin and Stevie made bigger statements—and about how the truly hip were paying attention all along.

http://www.avclub.com/review/spike-lee-looks-back-moment-when-michael-jackson-w-231720

What an interesting review, especially that last paragraph........it sure sounds like Michael, doesn't it? His drive and determination were always there, his observant and meticulous ways, signature Mike right there spelled out ON the wall - sorry for the lame pun folks, guess I couldn't help it :p

As far as the Guardian review, I'm not sure I see it as terribly offensive. Not every product with the MJ logo needs to receive universal approval and we cannot really expect that.

Of course we all know the media finds it far more lucrative to dwell on tabloid trash than on "boring"/safe issues like Michael's artistry, especially somethin' as socially innocuous as Off the wall (in terms of lyrical content anyhow, not social impact). But then again, maybe I just have a soft spot for the Guardian because of their coverage of the Paris Conference last December when they were the only ones who had some real time news. Perhaps I'm overly optimistic in thinking the main stream media has been saturated with tabloid stories about Michael.

In any case, the documentary should be quite the show both for fans and the general public willing and ready to be reminded of Michael's talents and rejoice in them.
 
If I don't find a way to watch this over the weekend I'm gonna go a little banana sandwich!!!!

I'll try the showtimes website for a free trial (tonight I have a work function) but I hope I can figure out... If I can't I'll be bugging everyone here to help
 
But then again, maybe I just have a soft spot for the Guardian because of their coverage of the Paris Conference last December when they were the only ones who had some real time news.

The Guardian, as almost all British publications (tabloids and broadsheets alike), usually has a very negative, cynical tone about MJ. Often they also adopt stories straight from tabloids and refer to them as fact. So basically they are hardly any better than tabloids when it comes to MJ.
 
As far as the Guardian review, I'm not sure I see it as terribly offensive. Not every product with the MJ logo needs to receive universal approval and we cannot really expect that.

It's not terribly offensive but it's overly negative for the wrong reasons. They gave it 3/5 stars. AV club gave it 4,5/5 stars.
 
Guys I'm not entirely sure it'll work but you can try using a proxy website to gain access to Showtime if you don't live in the US. Just Google a proxy website and try it. If you need help understanding, you can PM me.
 
I'm signed up for the free trial and am now at the house I'm dog sitting at. I hope I don't mess this up. I guess I'll get on their computer at 7 and try to be ready.

The NAACP image awards are on at the same time so I'm ecstatic they have a dvr. And a Best Ever Super bowl Halftime special. They better pick Michael's as #1.

Five more hours!!!
 
Can someone get me up to speed. Is there actually a new Off the Wall album with demos, extras, unreleased songs etc and a Triumph tour? Or is it just the Documentary.
 
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^^It's a reissue with the documentary and a chalk. Unfortunately there will be no demos and no full Triumph Tour DVD.
 
I'm signed up for the free trial and am now at the house I'm dog sitting at. I hope I don't mess this up. I guess I'll get on their computer at 7 and try to be ready.

The NAACP image awards are on at the same time so I'm ecstatic they have a dvr. And a Best Ever Super bowl Halftime special. They better pick Michael's as #1.

Five more hours!!!

Who would you say had the 2nd best super bowl show?

Also, you can test out the stream now. Just click the Live TV to see if everything is good to go.
 
Don't understand why they wouldn't release the Triumph tour :0(
 
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