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Happy to hear the good news from court. Let's hope the other people are not allowed to testify either.

But, going back to the meds found on 03, how is it possible the the "milky white fluid" was in iv bags. Isn't it that once open, it has to be used or it goes bad. And Demerol, I know this is used for extreme pain, but I'm in shock. Did he realized what he was doing to himself? Oh God, how lonely he must had felt.

It's common knowledge, at least among most fans, that Michael was suffering from severe back-pain during the trial era; and also, he had a serious fall and injured his back, and ribs. "What HE was doing to himself?" More like what was being done to him, with false accusations?

Since 2003 material will not be discussed in court, I sincerely hope it will not be discussed HERE, either. Thanks.
 
Dr. Conrad Murray's criminal defense team has been dealt a crushing blow when the judge presiding over his involuntary manslaughter trial, ruled that Michael Jackson's dermatologist and long time friend, Dr. Arnold Klein won't be allowed to testify.

Dr. Murray wasn't in court for the pre-trial hearing on Monday in Los Angeles.

Judge Michael Pastor agreed with the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office -- which opposed the defense's attempt to call Dr. Klein as a witness in the trial.

Judge Pastor stated that Dr. Klein's testimony isn't relevant to the case, and that it could confuse the jury.

“Dr. Murray's lawyers were planning on asking Dr. Klein about Demerol that he allegedly prescribed to Michael Jackson in the days before he died. The defense was going to contend that Dr. Murray didn't know that Dr. Klein was giving Michael Jackson Demerol, at the same time he was giving him Propofol, to sleep," a source close to the case tells RadarOnline.com.

Judge Pastor also ruled that no testimony would be allowed regarding past allegations of child abuse and molestation involving Michael Jackson.

However, two doctors that gave Michael Jackson Propofol in medical settings will be allowed to testify at the trial. The singer’s former nurse Cherylin Lee will also testify and in documents filed by the defense they claim she will discuss Michael asking her for Propofol on April 19, 2009, just two months before he died.

Jury selection is scheduled to begin on September 8, with opening arguments most likely to take place the last week in September.
 
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You ever think that maybe he was in extreme pain? Just like you

No, I've never been in such a physical pain that requires that kind of med. What I said was out of concern, even thought is too late for that. My father and my brother died of cancer and they were in heavy pain med, but you know what, it didn't matter if their organs got bad or if they got addicted, they were dying. Michael needed a doctor whose interest was on the patient. And when i said, if he knew what he was doing to himself was because he already had a problem with pain killers on 93 and then, on 03 these drs keep prescribing him with those pain killers. Hope you didn't misinterpret my previous post.
 
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Cherylin Lee I want her on the stand something is not right with her
 
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Adams and whos the other one? Ratner or someone else? There was a couple of drs name in the motion i didnt recognise so maybe one of them? Lee should be intresting.So thats the only drs to testify? And Adams is a pros witness Bad day for murray happy birthday mike.Lets see about judas grace and the rest now
 
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good I am glad that Pastor is on his toes with this case...Kline was not there on JUne 25th so he has NO business even testifying, Also it is stupd for them to even to try and get any testimony form 2003 in there. Michael was innocent on ALL accounts besides that has NOTHING to do with June 25th either....the defense is gasping at straws wherever they can...their goose is cooked and they know it
 
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from the prosecution document I think those doctors that gave propofol or talked about propofol is Adams, Ratner, Metzger, Etok and Hoefflin. and Lee.
 
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It's common knowledge, at least among most fans, that Michael was suffering from severe back-pain during the trial era; and also, he had a serious fall and injured his back, and ribs. "What HE was doing to himself?" More like what was being done to him, with false accusations?

Since 2003 material will not be discussed in court, I sincerely hope it will not be discussed HERE, either. Thanks.

Autumn, I knew about his injuries, but i didn't know they found those meds; that was new to me. When I said if he knew what he was doing to himself is because there are pople who without realizing hurt themselves by surrounded themselves with the wrong people. I respect him very much as a human being and I never intended to say that he was enjoying it, on the contrary; I think that he suffered a lot and he endured more pain and insult in life and in death than anyone else on earth. My apologies to you to anyone who was offended.
 
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Okay. I just hope that this trial doesn't go all over the place and really sticks to what happened those last few days of Michael's life. I think we have a better chance that way.
 
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Dr. Klein about Demerol that he allegedly prescribed to Michael Jackson in the days before he died
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Not "prescribed" but administered ...

two doctors that gave Michael Jackson Propofol in medical settings will be allowed to testify at the trial.

One is Dr. Adams and who is the other one?

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Im glad that there will not be any talk of the 03 trial as it has nothing to do with this case.
 
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Yes so far so good, keep it as close to June as possible murray need to man up and face mj fan/family and tell why he drug mj and leave him to die?
Try to confuse the jury about 03 and mj debts are out, l am glad the judge see through Murray defance smoke screen.
 
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I have said it before and I will keep saying it, I Like This Judge.

I want to see what they do with the other witnesses too. Those like Karen who stated he looked as though he was on drugs. Can you imagine what the prosecution will do with her on cross-examination, if she is allowed to give evidence? He would ask her if she was a doctor, how many people she dealt with who were under the influence of drugs, etc. I really want to see her on the witness stand.
 
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Jackson molest case barred from doctor's trial
By LINDA DEUTSCH , 08.29.11, 08:18 PM EDT

LOS ANGELES -- The judge in the upcoming trial of Michael Jackson's doctor ruled Monday that the defense cannot call any witnesses to testify about the child molestation investigation that led to the pop star's trial and acquittal in 1995.

Prosecutor David Walgren argued that lawyers for Dr. Conrad Murray were seeking to engage in character assassination of the victim in the involuntary manslaughter case.

"The people are concerned about this trial deteriorating into an attack on Michael Jackson," Walgren said.

The hearing took place on what would have been Jackson's 53rd birthday.

Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor barred a half-dozen witnesses related to the molestation case, including the police detective who headed searches of Jackson's Neverland home in Santa Barbara County in 2003. The judge said such testimony would be distracting and misleading for the jury in Murray's trial and is irrelevant.

The judge said he was barring any mention of the molestation case because, "It proves nothing regarding the year 2009," when Jackson died.

Defense attorney Edward Chernoff said he was seeking testimony that in the past Jackson had been addicted to the painkiller Demerol.

Chernoff repeated a previously stated defense position that the pop star was addicted to that drug and was withdrawing from it when he died of an overdose of propofol and other medications in June 2009.

Walgren, however, said Jackson's autopsy found no Demerol in his body.

The judge effectively blocked the Demerol defense when he also excluded the testimony of Dr. Arnold Klein, a dermatologist blamed by the defense for giving Jackson Demerol. Pastor said written reports on Klein's statements could be used but neither the doctor nor his assistant will testify.

Walgren argued that the defense was seeking to transfer responsibility for Jackson's death to Klein. The judge appeared to agree with the prosecutor.

"The calling of Dr. Klein does raise the issue of third party culpability," the judge said, noting jurors would become distracted by that issue.

Opening statements in the trial of Murray are scheduled to begin on Sept. 27. Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter, could face up to four years in prison if convicted.

Authorities allege he gave Jackson a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol and other sedatives in the bedroom of his rented mansion on June 25, 2009.

In court on Monday, Chernoff suggested that Jackson was desperate for sleep and turned to propofol because he was withdrawing from Demerol.

Pastor said he would permit two other doctors and a nurse to testify about their interactions with Jackson regarding propofol. One was a dentist who used Murray's office for a dental procedure on Jackson in which he administered propofol.

Outlining the planned defense for the Houston-based cardiologist, Chernoff reiterated that he would claim Jackson self-administered the drug in a desperate quest for sleep.

Also barred was the testimony of Tohme Tohme, a one-time Jackson manager who negotiated the contracts for Jackson's ill-fated "This Is It" concerts, and John Branca, the co-executor of Jackson's estate. Pastor has said Jackson's finances won't be discussed at the trial.

The judge ordered lawyers back to court Sept. 6 to finalize jury questionnaires which will be handed out beginning Sept. 8.

He said in-court questioning will begin Sept. 23 with each side allotted 20 minutes to question each jury prospect.

When Chernoff suggested that time was too short, the judge said, "Counsel will have the most comprehensive jury questionnaire I've ever seen, perhaps the most comprehensive one ever. You will know from that who they are and what they are thinking."

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/08/29/entertainment-us-michael-jackson-doctor_8649268.html
 
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Did the defense read the autopsy? How are they going to prove Michael was withdrawing from Demerol when it was not found in his body? I wonder if they think he was withdrawing from it since 1995. They are so stupid they might even think that. The doctor who gave Michael propofol did it for a dental procedure, so how is that going to help Murray?
 
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Thanks for all of the updates everyone. Sounds like we had good news today.
 
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Wait, so Dr. Tohme Tohme won't be testifying either? I must say its seems to me that this judge wants to keep things tight as it relates to the days and moments surounding June 29th and I must say I am thankful for that, this judge is not about to put up with any crap from the defense. A big blow to the defense indeed.
 
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Those like Karen who stated he looked as though he was on drugs. Can you imagine what the prosecution will do with her on cross-examination, if she is allowed to give evidence? He would ask her if she was a doctor, how many people she dealt with who were under the influence of drugs, etc. I really want to see her on the witness stand.

Oh God... I can really imagine. :eek: The thing would get ugly for KarenFaye. I hope she will testify. :fear:
 
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Pastor said he would permit two other doctors and a nurse to testify about their interactions with Jackson regarding propofol. One was a dentist who used Murray's office for a dental procedure on Jackson in which he administered propofol. The denist who did Michael's dental work and the doctor who put him under. Something about the rest of this statement makes no sense
 
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Did the defense read the autopsy? How are they going to prove Michael was withdrawing from Demerol when it was not found in his body? I wonder if they think he was withdrawing from it since 1995. They are so stupid they might even think that. The doctor who gave Michael propofol did it for a dental procedure, so how is that going to help Murray?

technically speaking defense do not need to "prove" anything. all they need is "reasonable doubt".
 
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^^Yeah you right Ivy, but can you imagine them trying to prove anything. I do not think they have that type of intelligence.
Justthefacts, I am trying to remember, but wasn't there a dentist that did the dental work, and then another doctor who gave the propofol to put him under. Maybe the judge wants both of them.
 
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Adams put Michael under and the dentist who I don't know did the work.
 
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I'm done with that murderous fiend, Conrad Murray.
May he rot and burn in
Hell Fire. :angry:
 
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Adams put Michael under and the dentist who I don't know did the work.

Yes so the judge is allowing both to give evidence. Now this will not help Murray either because here we have a dental procedure and Adams was qualified to do the work. The only problem was that the dentist did not have a license for his office to us the anesthetic procedure, is that correct, and he was reprimanded. The issue was only about the site.
 
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