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The Brad Sunberg Seminar Leak/Theft of 2023

Hiker said:
who is planning and encouraging? I just see one person bragging about being the thief with no idea if their claim is true or false. Gaz has taken the stand that its ok to discuss these new leaks, so that's why discussion is allowed.
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The only reason this is being allowed is because of traffic. What an absolutely pathetic state of affairs. This board is gone to the dogs.
@LordJackson, your a tosser. Hopefully the law will catch up with you very soon!
 
1nn5 said:
So the admins are seeing a member describing a thief he did, and have nothing to say / to do with him ??
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Shut up, get off your high horse! Thanks to that man we now have a huge amount of material floating around and I for one am damn grateful! We haven’t received shit from the estate in years except for a half assed Thriller 40 with really only 2 new demos and the best thing we’ve had in a decade has been two of the 3 Thriller short films being remastered but they didn’t even bother with Billie Jean. I’m loving all of this, keep the leaks coming!! Love Brad and I hope he got his laptop back, but I’m excited about all of this! Felt like a birthday present and my birthday isn’t even till June 😂😂
 
MegaMix12” said:
If anyone has details of LordJackson‘s whereabouts please PM me. I’m going to pay him a visit. I’m going to break his jaw. I’ll only do about 6 months.
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Calm down there tough guy lmao, I know you want your kudos for being Mr. Morality but you just sound ridiculous. You can’t tell me you didn’t listen or watch any of the leaks, because you’d be lying and you can’t say you didn’t enjoy them. Well boom! Now you’re just as guilty as everyone else now hush.
 
james283126 said:
Shut up, get off your high horse! Thanks to that man we now have a huge amount of material floating around and I for one am damn grateful! We haven’t received shit from the estate in years except for a half assed Thriller 40 with really only 2 new demos and the best thing we’ve had in a decade has been two of the 3 Thriller short films being remastered but they didn’t even bother with Billie Jean. I’m loving all of this, keep the leaks coming!! Love Brad and I hope he got his laptop back, but I’m excited about all of this! Felt like a birthday present and my birthday isn’t even till June 😂😂
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Real leakers do it the old fashioned way, hacking a Server of the music company.
 
I find it extremely ironic that @Lord Jackson is of the crowd that thinks Brad is some greedy fraudster literally extorting fans for his own personal profit, and yet he admits he needs crowdfunding himself to support the financial expenses of flying out to the seminar to commit this crime.

Brad literally is "extorting" money from the fans for the exact same reasons, after all. The travel costs of himself plus whoever he invites to be a guest at these seminars, as well as the payments to the professional recording studios he uses for the seminars to provide the experience he wants to replicate for the fans (it is called "In the Studio" With MJ, afterall. Replicating that in the studio experience in a professional studio and asking to allow crowds of people from the general pubic to fill out what is usually a more intimate environment surely doesn't come cheap with how much sensitive equipment you're giving people access to).

Seems the supposed Robin Hood in this story has come out of all this with the same "extortionist" needs the person he stole from has needed from people this whole time. The only difference is that one is a personal longtime friend of Michael who wanted to share his experience in a way he thought Michael would approve of, while the other is someone who has lost sight of any messages Michael ever taught us about humanity and how we should treat one another, becoming a criminal without any regard for what kind of person Michael would have wanted them to have become at this point in their life as a fan.

That's my two cents in any case. :whistle:
 
james283126 said:
Calm down there tough guy lmao, I know you want your kudos for being Mr. Morality but you just sound ridiculous. You can’t tell me you didn’t listen or watch any of the leaks, because you’d be lying and you can’t say you didn’t enjoy them. Well boom! Now you’re just as guilty as everyone else now hush.
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Yeah the point I was making was that this guy has said he’d only do 3 years for engaging in organised crime therefore he’s willing to go ahead with another planned robbery. Dress it up all you like but the manner in which this took place is wrong and Brad didn’t deserve to go through that.
I have no problem with leaks per se. I listen to them and also buy every official release as I’m a collector. Leaks have always been around and most hardcore fans are going to listen to them. That’s a given. It’s the fact that he stole Brads laptop and added insult to injury by rubbing it in and bragging online as though he’s actually taking pleasure out of inflicting damage on someone, and the attention seeking arrogance of seeing himself as some sort of anti hero. It wasn’t enough that he committed the crime but he also wants the fame and notoriety to go along with it. All he’s doing is creating a mountain of evidence that will insure he’s locked up. What an act of total idiocy and what a total bell end he is. Even his name, LordJackson! Give me a break! And he’s mentioned another planned attack! Total clown!!! MJ loved Brad and wouldn’t have stood for this or wanted LordJackson for a fan.
 
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amaterasu said:
I find it extremely ironic that @Lord Jackson is of the crowd that thinks Brad is some greedy fraudster literally extorting fans for his own personal profit, and yet he admits he needs crowdfunding himself to support the financial expenses of flying out to the seminar to commit this crime.

Brad literally is "extorting" money from the fans for the exact same reasons, after all. The travel costs of himself plus whoever he invites to be a guest at these seminars, as well as the payments to the professional recording studios he uses for the seminars to provide the experience he wants to replicate for the fans (it is called "In the Studio" With MJ, afterall. Replicating that in the studio experience in a professional studio and asking to allow crowds of people from the general pubic to fill out what is usually a more intimate environment surely doesn't come cheap with how much sensitive equipment you're giving people access to).

Seems the supposed Robin Hood in this story has come out of all this with the same "extortionist" needs the person he stole from has needed from people this whole time. The only difference is that one is a personal longtime friend of Michael who wanted to share his experience in a way he thought Michael would approve of, while the other is someone who has lost sight of any messages Michael ever taught us about humanity and how we should treat one another, becoming a criminal without any regard for what kind of person Michael would have wanted them to have become at this point in their life as a fan.

That's my two cents in any case. :whistle:
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None of them is "extorting"... to keep with the comparisons, Brad would be more like a traveller who shows you some spectacular show (and there's no scam) ... (The issue from my point of view, already explained earlier is rather, is that the right way for MJ's works to be shown/heard...)
The comparison with Robin Hood works in the sense that unlike some other leakers, LJ doesn't try (not that I know) to make money by selling what he has stolen and makes it free for many. Where the comparison stops working is if one focuses on an idealistic/perfect image of Robin Hood... while, for reminder, Robin Hood is a thief and a "real life Robin Hood" is not necessarily someone you'd want to stumble upon... but the image gets loose on this side of interpretation. (And, he's trying get crowdfunded because otherwise he's financially blocked...)
You got a point about current community behaviours going far far away from MJ's messages...
 
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Prometheus77 said:
Geez. Simmer down. The Laptop has been returned, the music and videos liberated and no real harm done. I doubt that any fan is actually interested in violence.
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I don't think returning the laptop makes it ok. He still stole (copied) the material on it. That is probably the more valuable thing to Brad not the laptop.
 
There is no excuse what so ever to steal like this. End of story.

No matter what you think of The Estate, no matter what you think of Brad and ITSWMJ, there is no excuse.

It's like trying to come up with excuses for someone robbing a bank. - They needed money, the bank was greedy etc. etc. Simply just NO.

I do not know Brad, I have not went to ITSWMJ seminars, but I can not believe anyone would actually risk ruining their lives for some MJ songs and videos. You can go to jail, that's one thing. But when you get out there are tons of jobs you will never ever be able to get. So it is beyond stupid to risk that.

I am not holy or perfect or anything. I have listened to the leaks and seen (and enjoyed) the videos.

But that simply does not change the fact that it's wrong in every possible way. And the way it was stolen. Disgusting. And someone desperate for new footage and material trying to come up with excuses?? Get a grip. There is no excuse. And the Thief should not be priased but condemned.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I wonder if MJJcommunity will be legally culpable for basically allowing active planning and encouragement of theft here. It's kinda funny that the mods really don't do anything to people around here, unless I called someone a (reclaimed) slur or something.
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Pls take ur pills
 
Going back to the sound quality of Chicago, JacksonUnreleased just put up this 'Rework' version of the song. Is it just me or does the quality sound better then what was originally uploaded a few days ago? Remember this is YouTube also so is compressed yet it sounds better to me.

 
ChanceToDance said:
There are different versions of the song that's for sure, Damien talked about a version made for TUC and another that MJ was gonna work on before he died. I just don't know if a version from Invincible exists for certain.
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I think the version that would have been on TUC is like Cheater

mostly the same song, mixed differently
 
MegaMix12” said:
If anyone has details of LordJackson‘s whereabouts please PM me. I’m going to pay him a visit. I’m going to break his jaw. I’ll only do about 6 months.
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If this is not a reason to ban this idiot for at least a week, I don't know what is.
 
Agonum said:
Senile means old. That’s the current definition.
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www.merriam-webster.com

Definition of SENILE

of, relating to, exhibiting, or characteristic of old age; especially, sometimes disparaging + offensive : exhibiting a decline of cognitive abilities (such as memory) associated with old age; approaching the end of a geologic cycle of erosion… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com www.merriam-webster.com
dictionary.cambridge.org

senile

1. showing poor mental ability because of old age, especially being unable to…
dictionary.cambridge.org dictionary.cambridge.org

Maybe in Sweden the word senile means something else, but in International English it does not mean "old".
 
amaterasu said:
I find it extremely ironic that @Lord Jackson is of the crowd that thinks Brad is some greedy fraudster literally extorting fans for his own personal profit, and yet he admits he needs crowdfunding himself to support the financial expenses of flying out to the seminar to commit this crime.

Brad literally is "extorting" money from the fans for the exact same reasons, after all. The travel costs of himself plus whoever he invites to be a guest at these seminars, as well as the payments to the professional recording studios he uses for the seminars to provide the experience he wants to replicate for the fans (it is called "In the Studio" With MJ, afterall. Replicating that in the studio experience in a professional studio and asking to allow crowds of people from the general pubic to fill out what is usually a more intimate environment surely doesn't come cheap with how much sensitive equipment you're giving people access to).

Seems the supposed Robin Hood in this story has come out of all this with the same "extortionist" needs the person he stole from has needed from people this whole time. The only difference is that one is a personal longtime friend of Michael who wanted to share his experience in a way he thought Michael would approve of, while the other is someone who has lost sight of any messages Michael ever taught us about humanity and how we should treat one another, becoming a criminal without any regard for what kind of person Michael would have wanted them to have become at this point in their life as a fan.

That's my two cents in any case. :whistle:
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Too Long : Didn't Read

You're forgetting that Brad basically charged 300€ per people and there were about 50 people there.

Quick Maths: 300x50 = 15000

Don't tell me he needs ALL of that money to do a seminar...
 
All talk of violence and other criminal acts needs to stop.

Let's enjoy the leaks we've gotten and let's agree something like this should never happen again.

No one should ever steal from others or commit any others crimes.
 
Lord Jackson said:
www.merriam-webster.com

Definition of SENILE

of, relating to, exhibiting, or characteristic of old age; especially, sometimes disparaging + offensive : exhibiting a decline of cognitive abilities (such as memory) associated with old age; approaching the end of a geologic cycle of erosion… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com www.merriam-webster.com
dictionary.cambridge.org

senile

1. showing poor mental ability because of old age, especially being unable to…
dictionary.cambridge.org dictionary.cambridge.org

Maybe in Sweden the word senile means something else, but in International English it does not mean "old".
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Yes, it does. The additional meaning of ‘dementia’ is attested since long, but is due to misusage.

What I’m mostly getting at is your use of the word in regards to Steve. I can buy it if you were using it in its true meaning, but I doubt that’s the case.
 
SmoothMel7 said:
I understood that you had returned the PC. However you copied personal information also according to Brad. Did you delete these files?
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The only PI I had were invoices of the seminar (who bought tickets, etc.)

Those files I've never shared, and I've deleted them a long time ago.

There's possibly some photos with Brad, but since they were in the MJ section I kept them (like Brad with his daughter in the studio, with MJ next to them)
 
Agonum said:
Yes, it does. The additional meaning of ‘dementia’ is attested since long, but is due to misusage.

What I’m mostly getting at is your use of the word in regards to Steve. I can buy it if you were using it in its true meaning, but I doubt that’s the case.
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I don't care why or how the word got it's meaning that it has today, all I know is that I correctly used the word to describe Porcaro, who is 65 years old, and obviously doesn't have all of his mental faculties.

I have no idea why you differed the subject to semantics yet here we are....
 
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