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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

AlwaysThere said:
There’s no evidence “Turning Me Off” was considered for XSCAPE. As far as I recall, the only “source” was that a DAT/cassette tape with the song on it was spotted in a promo video. That doesn’t really say anything.
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It definitely means it was looked at and considered, now it being remixed is a whole different story.
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
I do like the raw funk of the Loren tracks. They feel unpolished and contain more spontaneity, which is a nice change of pace for Mike. Probably the closest he ever came to trying to get Prince's sound
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Don’t Believe It supposedly has this style- Shana said MJ and Loren have a casual conversation at the end of the demo. Seems like it would be fun to listen to.
 
ChanceToDance said:
It definitely means it was looked at and considered, now it being remixed is a whole different story.
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Does it? Or could it mean that a demo of “Turning Me Off” was on the same tape/DAT as demos/multitracks of “Loving You” or “Do You Know Where Your Children Are”? There are many possibilities.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Does it? Or could it mean that a demo of “Turning Me Off” was on the same tape/DAT as demos/multitracks of “Loving You” or “Do You Know Where Your Children Are”? There are many possibilities.
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It's been a long time since I saw the frame of the tape but wasn't it just one tape with the name "Turnin' Me Off" written on it? It seems like it was pulled individually from the vault.

I think it was the same case with GYWOOM though, they heard the song once, decided it was best not to include it on the album and left it laying around.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
This feels like way too many good songs to leave on a disc 2. These few alone

Tomboy
Chicago 1945
Dream Away
Throwing Your Life Away
Buffalo Bill

Would easily have made the top 10 if they had been released in MJs career. They're worth sharing with more than the hardcore fans.

The rest would be good demoes though.
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I don’t see Dream Away being that popular imo
 
AlwaysThere said:
I think the Loren tracks have potential. “Serious Effect” and “Superfly Sister” anre awesome, and “She Got It” is flat out excellent. “Work That Body” is a little rote and I don’t care for the little we’ve heard of “Don’t Believe It.” I think MJ was better served with Teddy at the end of the day.
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Funny enough I think 'Work That Body' has the most hit potential of them all! Obviously a lot is missing but just imagine some sort 'Remember The Time'-bassline underneath it and a hard hitting beat; that track has potential guys!
 
Its so weird to think with this AI stuff they could just give us fake stuff and we would never know
 
Dilan said:
Its so weird to think with this AI stuff they could just give us fake stuff and we would never know
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There are several ways to find out the truth about a track. First the source. If for example the song is a "seminar leak" we would know because of the attendees. If the title is unknown without further information (auctions, interviews etc) the song is probably fake. If the title is known on the other hand all we have to do is to ask Damien or someone else who has/had access to the songs (that actually happened with Jungle snippets which were confirmed to be real from both Damien and the auction tape's existence). That's why I'm not really worried.
 
Imagine if AI was
NetflexKingGR said:
There are several ways to find out the truth about a track. First the source. If for example the song is a "seminar leak" we would know because of the attendees. If the title is unknown without further information (auctions, interviews etc) the song is probably fake. If the title is known on the other hand all we have to do is to ask Damien or someone else who has/had access to the songs (that actually happened with Jungle snippets which were confirmed to be real from both Damien and the auction tape's existence). That's why I'm not really worried.
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NetflexKingGR said:
There are several ways to find out the truth about a track. First the source. If for example the song is a "seminar leak" we would know because of the attendees. If the title is unknown without further information (auctions, interviews etc) the song is probably fake. If the title is known on the other hand all we have to do is to ask Damien or someone else who has/had access to the songs (that actually happened with Jungle snippets which were confirmed to be real from both Damien and the auction tape's existence). That's why I'm not really worried.
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We could easily get an unknown title from the estate like Who Do You Know and then on top of that they start adding extra instrumentation and ad libs and verses and say mj revisisted the song
 
Dilan said:
Imagine if AI was




We could easily get an unknown title from the estate like Who Do You Know and then on top of that they start adding extra instrumentation and ad libs and verses and say mj revisisted the song
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Oh you mean that they estate can trick us. Yeah that's pretty easy actually. If Kai can create such a realistic song with almost no budget, imagine a multimillion company. But I think as long as the producers are alive they can confirm if the song is real. I mean If the estate randomly releases Adore You with full vocals then Brad Buxer will step in.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Those are two of my favorite tracks off the album. Calling them horrible is straight up tasteless, no offense.
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I see people saying the Bad album is dated and Speed Demon and JGF are fillers all the time and you don't see me saying nothing. I like them and opinions don't change how I see them.

Chill, man. If you like them, go for it. My opinion shouldn't change a thing for you since it only applies to me. They keep being horrible to me and I shall keep skipping them and that's it.
 
Would MJ have used the term, or even the concept 'filler' at all? It was his goal to make albums with only hits right? I don't think lesser songs were chosen to let other songs stand out, or for cohesy of the entire album, but that he genuinely thought they would become hits (perhaps accompanying the right video/medium/marketing)
 
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AdeZ said:
Brad Buxer was involved heavily with Mind Is The Magic dare I say most of it was Brad Buxer's work despite Bryan Loren being given the credit.
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I don't remember exactly what is the name of the Early version of Mind In The Magic ?
 
MJbr2 said:
I see people saying the Bad album is dated and Speed Demon and JGF are fillers all the time and you don't see me saying nothing. I like them and opinions don't change how I see them.

Chill, man. If you like them, go for it. My opinion shouldn't change a thing for you since it only applies to me. They keep being horrible to me and I shall keep skipping them and that's it.
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Well you stated it differently this time. If you don't like it, cool and fine. Just felt you yucked my yum a little too hard. No grudges held.

I think those Bad tracks are underrated as well. In fact I'm gonna listen to Speed Demon right now. As a matter of fact, it, Sunset Driver, and She Drives Me Wild are all amazing to actually drive to as well.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Well you stated it differently this time. If you don't like it, cool and fine. Just felt you yucked my yum a little too hard. No grudges held.
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Well, no opinion is the sole truth of anything. They're just different views. As I said, my opinion shouldn't change yours. Feel more than free to do you, man.
 
MJbr2 said:
Teddy's work is overrated imo. Not saying he didn't shift the direction Dangerous was gonna take in 1990, but he let the triad of fillers slide when they're as abysmal as the Loren tracks people mention.
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Blood on the dancefloor
Ghosts
In The Closet
Remember The Time
Joy
Dangerous
WYWTOM
Jam (Teddy’s contributions)

The teddy x MJ collaboration was the best move he made after he left Quincy. Unfortunately the best Teddy songs did not end up on Dangerous.
 
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I love half of the Teddy contributions, but they were a little too samey for me. “Jam,” “In the Closet,” and “Dangerous” are effectively the same songs, which is the first (and last) time that issue has ever arisen for MJ. I think Dangerous would be better suited cutting “Why You Wanna Trip on Me” and “Can’t Let Her Get Away.”
 
Guys why you don't ask Shana mangatal to play snippets for us from songs call it off and all truth you need
 
AlwaysThere said:
I love half of the Teddy contributions, but they were a little too samey for me. “Jam,” “In the Closet,” and “Dangerous” are effectively the same songs, which is the first (and last) time that issue has ever arisen for MJ. I think Dangerous would be better suited cutting “Why You Wanna Trip on Me” and “Can’t Let Her Get Away.”
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Unbreakable, Heartbreaker and Invincible sound like 3 variations of the same song to me. Imo those are significantly more similar than any of the Teddy Riley tracks on Dangerous.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I love half of the Teddy contributions, but they were a little too samey for me. “Jam,” “In the Closet,” and “Dangerous” are effectively the same songs, which is the first (and last) time that issue has ever arisen for MJ. I think Dangerous would be better suited cutting “Why You Wanna Trip on Me” and “Can’t Let Her Get Away.”
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Leave WYWTOM and replace CLHGA and SDMW with For All Time and Someone Put Your Hand Out. Boom.
 
MJbr2 said:
Leave WYWTOM and replace CLHGA and SDMW with For All Time and Someone Put Your Hand Out. Boom.
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Replace Heal the World with Someone Put Your Hand Out and Gone Too Soon with Blood On the Dance Floor. Would’ve been an even better album Imo.
 
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