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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Fuzball said:
So, C45 made it to Westlake (in 1986??). Interesting.

This means the entire "crime trilogy" songs (C45/AC/SC) have been worked on at Westlake to some degree under Qs supervision.
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Did Al Capone make it out of Hayvenhurst?
 
Fuzball said:
So, C45 made it to Westlake (in 1986??). Interesting.

This means the entire "crime trilogy" songs (C45/AC/SC) have been worked on at Westlake to some degree under Qs supervision.
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Alaslam said:
Did Al Capone make it out of Hayvenhurst?
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I don’t think Capone made it to Westlake….C45 was probably played but he didn’t say it was worked on
 
Steve Porcaro said he made 3 instrumental grooves for C1945, I wonder how different they are from the one MJ picked and if they're better or worse.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Listened through just now, and I’m still a little lost. It sounds as though Porcaro came up with the instrumental shortly after Thriller, which is feasible.
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His original story was C45 was recorded a few months before the Victory tour started….so that could be anywhere from January to June 1984
 
Fuzball said:
According to Bruce Swedien AC was among the submitted songs.
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Roger Troutman mentioned recording the song with Michael at Hayvenhurst and John Barnes said the song wasn’t finished….if it did make its way to Westlake, I don’t think it was worked on any further than what we hear since Smooth Criminal was already done by 1986
 
AlwaysThere said:
Listened through just now, and I’m still a little lost. It sounds as though Porcaro came up with the instrumental shortly after Thriller, which is feasible.
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That tracks.
AlwaysThere said:
Sounds like “She Don’t Love Me” is a prime candidate for another future “Don’t Matter to Me” type collaboration. I know many of us dread something like that happening, but under the right circumstances I would be thrilled.
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Just get Kendrick instead of Drake on it. I'm all ears.
 
Derek1984 said:
We still haven't heard the Al Capone version featuring Roger Troutman.
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"He [Roger Troutman] worked with us on several early Bad tracks. It wasn't kept but it felt and sounded great. Tomboy and Al Capone."

"Roger was not on smooth criminal or the way you make me feel. As far as tomboy, I didn't make it and was not fully completed. Al Capone had
Roger as a guest Muscian. The track was mostly done when he came in."

- John Barnes
 
BlackAnon said:
"He [Roger Troutman] worked with us on several early Bad tracks. It wasn't kept but it felt and sounded great. Tomboy and Al Capone."

"Roger was not on smooth criminal or the way you make me feel. As far as tomboy, I didn't make it and was not fully completed. Al Capone had
Roger as a guest Muscian. The track was mostly done when he came in."

- John Barnes
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Wonder why that version wasn't used for B25?
 
AlwaysThere said:
Sounds like “She Don’t Love Me” is a prime candidate for another future “Don’t Matter to Me” type collaboration. I know many of us dread something like that happening, but under the right circumstances I would be thrilled.
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Also, we'd have

She Was Lovin Me
Loving You
She Don't Love Me

But Chicago is a bad name change? Never mind about Chicago 1945.
 
ChanceToDance said:
When the estate releases Chicago 1945 I hope they change its name to Chicago Nights, it's a more intriguing title. I bet that MJ was eventually going to make that the title anyways since he says "Chicago night" more than he says "Chicago 1945" on the song. C1945 was probably just a working title.
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Chicago Nights is also seen in Moonwalker before Michael walks into the club….wasn’t that the working title?
 
BlackAnon said:
Chicago Nights is also seen in Moonwalker before Michael walks into the club….wasn’t that the working title?
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AlwaysThere said:
Sounds like “She Don’t Love Me” is a prime candidate for another future “Don’t Matter to Me” type collaboration. I know many of us dread something like that happening, but under the right circumstances I would be thrilled.
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Other potential ideas:

Turn it into a full song using random lyrics and vocal takes, ala "You Don't Fool Me" by Queen.

Mash it up with another incomplete song, maybe with verses and no chorus.

Give it to the Jackson's for their next album, or Janet. Let her/them create something with it.

Use it as a sample, like Brandy's "It's Not Worth It".

If it's got lyrics, put it on a tribute album....
 
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