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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Victorious said:
So does no one agrees that at least these titles look like they were created by MJ..? Would be weird for anyone else to come with stuff like 'Jelly' and 'Diana Ross'..?
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Those sound like MJ titles, but "sexy love song" definitely is not MJ's style.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Honestly, I agree with them on this front. The estate has released enough poorly mixed and mastered music already. If the available mix sounds anything like the leaked demos from Sundberg’s laptop, they aren’t up to par. MJ deserves to have his music presented in the highest quality.
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It sounds EXACTLY like all the Westlake demos on Bad 25. I'd be more than fine with it.

robotchicken14 said:
Peter Jackson's MAL technology would undoubtedly do a great job on TYLA, considering the sound quality of the song is 100x better than Now and Then.
But there's no way he'll license it out in a hurry. Maybe if the estate pays him well enough, but can't see that happening
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You're just forgetting something: what they did for Now and Then was strip the vocals from the instrumental. For a proper remix, they'd need to do stem separation and that's not possible. Peter Jackson's MAL was used on the remix of Revolver, but they had the original 4-track masters.
One thing is separating each element on a track consisting of guitar, bass and drums. Splitting the stems of a 24+ track mixdown is a whole different game.
 
MJbr2 said:
It sounds EXACTLY like all the Westlake demos on Bad 25. I'd be more than fine with it.


You're just forgetting something: what they did for Now and Then was strip the vocals from the instrumental. For a proper remix, they'd need to do stem separation and that's not possible. Peter Jackson's MAL was used on the remix of Revolver, but they had the original 4-track masters.
One thing is separating each element on a track consisting of guitar, bass and drums. Splitting the stems of a 24+ track mixdown is a whole different game.
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Sounds like a more complicated version then.
 
MJbr2 said:
You're just forgetting something: what they did for Now and Then was strip the vocals from the instrumental. For a proper remix, they'd need to do stem separation and that's not possible. Peter Jackson's MAL was used on the remix of Revolver, but they had the original 4-track masters.
One thing is separating each element on a track consisting of guitar, bass and drums. Splitting the stems of a 24+ track mixdown is a whole different game.
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I was assuming that the estate would take their 'straight to remix' approach for the track and therefore would only need the vocals. And then release the existing tape as the 'original version' without mixing it.

But yes, of course for a remix of the original they'd need the master tapes
 
robotchicken14 said:
I was assuming that the estate would take their 'straight to remix' approach for the track and therefore would only need the vocals. And then release the existing tape as the 'original version' without mixing it.

But yes, of course for a remix of the original they'd need the master tapes
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Oh, that? Yeah, valid point, but I don't think they'd be willing to remix any and every track for release. Let's face facts, enough is enough with that.
 
MJbr2 said:
Oh, that? Yeah, valid point, but I don't think they'd be willing to remix any and every track for release. Let's face facts, enough is enough with that.
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It would be nice to contemporize the original demoes, instead of constructing new songs around his vocals. Just strip the vocals and recreate the songs in the modern day.
 
In 1993 deposition there is title called cry .or don't cry so MJ have second song called cry
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
It would be nice to contemporize the original demoes, instead of constructing new songs around his vocals. Just strip the vocals and recreate the songs in the modern day.
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This is probably a good middle ground in my opinion. The original TYLA certainly sounds dated and wouldn't have any chart success in the current state, if that's what they wanted.
I wish they had done the same for Price of Fame from Bad25. With a live orchestra and rerecorded instruments it would've been great, but to me the released version sounds very dated even compared to the original Bad album tracks. The Pepsi version sounds just as crappy so I doubt Quincy ever worked on it either
 
Why don’t we have any multitracks from the thriller era demos. I always wanted to hear the stems for state of shock with Freddie mercury or starlight
 
JamesCMJJ said:
its unknown where the original 1988 master tape lies. brad has a copy, korgnex has something related to it, but thats about it.
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Why would Korgnex have it? That’s what I hate about him, why would you spend so much money to buy a song just for yourself to enjoy? He just seems greedy imo
 
Guys. Imagine if estate will give us a present. They will release all unreleased songs on album, promoting Michael movie.
TYLA, GYWOOM, BB and other songs will be released on this album 😃
 
robotchicken14 said:
I wish they had done the same for Price of Fame from Bad25. With a live orchestra and rerecorded instruments it would've been great, but to me the released version sounds very dated even compared to the original Bad album tracks.
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I mean, I kinda get it. I strongly disagree though. Something about Price of Fame cuts right to the heart really.
 
I have always said I think The Estate should re-relase We've Had Enough and Price of Fame on the next all new album.

So if The Estate wants to release an album with 8 songs - they should make it 10 by adding those two songs. It would be a win-win. Because we would get the 8 new songs they wants releaased - and we (and mostly casual fans) will get to hear two amazing songs they have propably never heard before.
 
Hess said:
I have always said I think The Estate should re-relase We've Had Enough and Price of Fame on the next all new album.

So if The Estate wants to release an album with 8 songs - they should make it 10 by adding those two songs. It would be a win-win. Because we would get the 8 new songs they wants releaased - and we (and mostly casual fans) will get to hear two amazing songs they have propably never heard before.
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I just don't like the sound of it. But you've kinda worn me down. I guess they can get away with it.

If they really want publicity for it, the biopic soundtrack would work way more.
 
Yeah - if they release an album to the movie. - They should maybe give Price of fame some finishing touches and polish it a little and the release it on the soundtrack album.

We've Had Enough does not need to be touched at all. - It's perfect and ready for release. But I would prefer it on an all new MJ album so most people hear it. - Such an important song. Especially now with all the war going on in Ukraine and Hamas attacking Israel. :(
 
Hess said:
I have always said I think The Estate should re-relase We've Had Enough and Price of Fame on the next all new album.

So if The Estate wants to release an album with 8 songs - they should make it 10 by adding those two songs. It would be a win-win. Because we would get the 8 new songs they wants releaased - and we (and mostly casual fans) will get to hear two amazing songs they have propably never heard before.
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I don't think I think The Estate need to release new unheard songs that we never heard before
 
Hess said:
Yeah - if they release an album to the movie. - They should maybe give Price of fame some finishing touches and polish it a little and the release it on the soundtrack album.

We've Had Enough does not need to be touched at all. - It's perfect and ready for release. But I would prefer it on an all new MJ album so most people hear it. - Such an important song. Especially now with all the war going on in Ukraine and Hamas attacking Israel. :(
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:mad:(n)
 
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