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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

SmoothGangsta said:
Says MJ didn't record any vocals, then says he did but took them away with him? Am I reading that correctly?
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You are reading it correctly. I'm confused, also. If Michael didn't get around to recording vocals, then fair enough, I can live with that. But if he did, if there is a tape somewhere with his vocal of this song it's another thing I'd like to hear even if it's just a fragment (never gonna happen blah blah, just sayin').

This is why stories about Michael drive me mad. So often there just isn't a coherent narrative. It's like reading the worst kind of detective novel with no resolution!
 
zinniabooklover said:
You are reading it correctly. I'm confused, also. If Michael didn't get around to recording vocals, then fair enough, I can live with that. But if he did, if there is a tape somewhere with his vocal of this song it's another thing I'd like to hear even if it's just a fragment (never gonna happen blah blah, just sayin').

This is why stories about Michael drive me mad. So often there just isn't a coherent narrative. It's like reading the worst kind of detective novel with no resolution!
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He said: "We never cut vocals on. " Later he said MJ took his vocals with him. I understand out of this, that he recorded vocals, but they wasnt cut or mixed, just the bare vocal recoding.
 
Lordus Hanus said:
He said: "We never cut vocals on. " Later he said MJ took his vocals with him.
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"I also recorded a song called “Just a Lover in My Life” that he planned to record but ended up never cutting vocals on ...
Sounds like Michael didn't record any vocals.

"We never mixed it and finished it ...
Seems like they did work on the song but didn't complete it.

"Just vocals but Michael kept the reels with his vocals on there ...
Sounds like something does exist somewhere.

Lordus Hanus said:
I understand out of this, that he recorded vocals, but they wasnt cut or mixed, just the bare vocal recoding.
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Agreed. It's just a bit confusing the way the story is presented in the interview. Not being critical, I love Brice Najar interviews and I love these comments from Richard Stites. But the story comes across a little bit muddled, imo. I would love some clarification as to whether there really are recorded vocals for this song. Although, even if a tape exists, who knows if it would ever become available in any form.

Oh well, back to reality!
 
That was the goal at least for a while, to obscure the existence of certain things. To make the vaults seem more ambigious and mysterious. They want people in the hook while also being able to say "We have to keep a light hand". At least while the value is still up.
 
I always figured that Brice’s articles were initially typed up and published in his native language and were imperfectly translated to English by a contributor or a software. His interviews are full of very interesting and unique phrasings. No shame to him, but it could just be a translation bump.
 
BlackAnon said:
Year of composition is listed as 1981 but I think it's one of those songs Michael probably had in his head for a while, which is why it sounds so polished outside of the lyrics.
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In contrast to The Toy which is very developed vocally and lyrically, yet is a pretty basic composition that still feels like the same era. And remained so for basically 30 years.
 
I've resigned myself to the fact that we're not getting anything else. The vaults are done. The Estate doesn't give a s***.
 
The best material left is from the 80s. The 90s probably have the odd track that’s decent (Joy) 2000s have essentially nothing complete, 70s probably has more developed material but it’s probably just not that great. The 80s are where it’s at. Especially Bad outtakes.
 
Inthestudiowithmj said:
The best material left is from the 80s. The 90s probably have the odd track that’s decent (Joy) 2000s have essentially nothing complete, 70s probably has more developed material but it’s probably just not that great. The 80s are where it’s at. Especially Bad outtakes.
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There are still more Thriller outtakes we have yet to hear. Also some from The Jacksons albums (Destiny, Triumph, and Victory). BAD is the goldmine. Maybe a few from Dangerous, like you mention Joy.

So there's still some gems left. But we aren't getting any younger.
 
Ganesh said:
I've resigned myself to the fact that we're not getting anything else. The vaults are done. The Estate doesn't give a s***.
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No we will probably get a greatest hits to co incide with the new movie next year. However when it comes to concerts , new releases , I think a definete no. Maybe unoffical ones but I would love to see a Victory Tour performance , we know they have them in amazing quality hence the quality on the Thriller documentary but I think there were plans years ago to release it but it was vetoed by the brothers , probably a question of money. Though we will never know what is in these vaults and what has happened .
 
Derek1984 said:
Maybe a few from Dangerous, like you mention Joy.

So there's still some gems left. But we aren't getting any younger.
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But if teddy riley can't even find the og recording....I feel like we'll never ever hear it. I highly doubt the estate has a copy or we probably would've been heard it by now.

& i wholeheartedly agree "time is not our friend"
 
It's kind of bleak how even though we know for a fact that the vault is filled with content (all in varying state of completion obviously but nothing that stops us fans from enjoying them) 8/10 of the times we even get to hear new material is because of seminar leaks, otherwise we would have gotten no new songs for almost 10 years. And the new material we got officially was only 2 new songs on top of that.

On the Faking Michael podcast it was revealed that Sony had worked out a deal with the estate which they had to release a few dozens of songs in the span of 10 years and I hope they've worked out a similar deal with the sale of the catalog. I hate having to depend on LQ seminar leaks that got out simply because it ended up on the hands of some dumb teenager on Discord to be able to listen to hew music, and I sure as hell don't wanna have to potentially wait until I reach middle age to listen to a demo that was made in the 80's.
 
https://imgur.com/a/nec4SQ0
Do we know anything about the song „Dreams“ thats been mentioned in this screenshot from the Dangerous sessions?

Also, what about the songs from the auction last year. Does the Estate have the master tapes in their possession as for now?

www.rollingstone.com

Michael Jackson's Unreleased Studio Tapes Yanked From Auction Site Amid Lawsuit Threat

Michael Jackson's estate threatened Gotta Have Rock and Roll with a lawsuit over its proposed sale of 25 tapes featuring unreleased recording sessions
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mjfan_93 said:
https://imgur.com/a/nec4SQ0
Do we know anything about the song „Dreams“ thats been mentioned in this screenshot from the Dangerous sessions?

Also, what about the songs from the auction last year. Does the Estate have the master tapes in their possession as for now?

www.rollingstone.com

Michael Jackson's Unreleased Studio Tapes Yanked From Auction Site Amid Lawsuit Threat

Michael Jackson's estate threatened Gotta Have Rock and Roll with a lawsuit over its proposed sale of 25 tapes featuring unreleased recording sessions
www.rollingstone.com www.rollingstone.com
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Most of the reels from that auction were other artists songs with the exception of 2 or 3 that were labeled for Michael and mixed by Bruce.
 
ChanceToDance said:
It's kind of bleak how even though we know for a fact that the vault is filled with content (all in varying state of completion obviously but nothing that stops us fans from enjoying them) 8/10 of the times we even get to hear new material is because of seminar leaks, otherwise we would have gotten no new songs for almost 10 years.
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The problem, in my opinion, is that many fans on here see Michael’s music, his art, as nothing but “content”.

Michael isn’t a social media ‘content creator’, he’s a deceased artist, and his estate doesn’t have any obligation to release ‘content’ for fans.

I think we should count ourselves lucky to have heard any unfinished material at all. Most fans here complain about The Girl is Mine and The Lost Children, but do you think the unreleased songs he wrote are going to be better than them? If he’d written another Billie Jean level composition it would have been released, end of story.
 
BlackAnon said:
We're better off going to the Copyright office and hearing the songs submitted.
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That's still something I want to do, but it seems like a lot of work... time and money. And the other thing is, not all the songs at the Copyright office are in their final state as they were left. Some were further progressed, but not residing at the office. And also, not everything is there. To my knowledge, the holy grail Buffalo Bill is not there.
 
Derek1984 said:
That's still something I want to do, but it seems like a lot of work... time and money. And the other thing is, not all the songs at the Copyright office are in their final state as they were left. Some were further progressed, but not residing at the office. And also, not everything is there. To my knowledge, the holy grail Buffalo Bill is not there.
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And it's VERY expensive too, I saw someone requesting the song Dark Lady and they charged over $300 for it, imagine how expensive it could get if you requested multiple songs, or even one of those registered tapes which the search fee is said to be even more costly. It's no wonder very few people went on to do this kind of thing.
 
Bill Bottrell:

"Leave Me Alone" was finished and mixed.
The BAD version sounds identical and I don't know what they say was changed.

We worked all day and into the night on Feb 28, 1986 on "Bad Girl" including vocals. I'm not sure what level of completion. We never worked on it again.
Since it wasn't worked on more than that day, I can't remember how it sounded.
I maintained strict security, I never took home tapes.
 
Fuzball said:
Bill Bottrell:

"Leave Me Alone" was finished and mixed.
The BAD version sounds identical and I don't know what they say was changed.

We worked all day and into the night on Feb 28, 1986 on "Bad Girl" including vocals. I'm not sure what level of completion. We never worked on it again.
Since it wasn't worked on more than that day, I can't remember how it sounded.
I maintained strict security, I never took home tapes.
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Another possible gem in the vaults, just collecting dust.
 
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