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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

mjfp said:
Sim, o problema é que a demo caseira é a única que pôde ser lançada, já que foi totalmente produzida pelo MJ, e eles não detêm os direitos da versão posterior produzida pelo Quincy Jones.

É verdade, "The Toy", por exemplo, não foi feita para o álbum "Thriller", mas gravada em 1981 para o filme. Mesmo assim, é uma gravação do período de composição de "Thriller" e, portanto, uma escolha válida para uma Edição de 40º Aniversário.

Foi o primeiro grande lançamento desde o Leaving Neverland e muitas gravadoras não queriam mais colaborações com Michael naquela época. A Sony e a MJE achavam que qualquer lançamento posterior não teria o mesmo sucesso. Além disso, nunca foi concebido como o lançamento principal, mas sim como um complemento ao documentário Thriller 40. Tecnicamente, se compararmos esse lançamento independente em 2 CDs com o lançamento do Bad 25, eu diria que o Thriller 40 não fica tão atrás em termos de qualidade. Mesmo engenheiro de masterização, mais demos, embalagem similar. As demos das sessões do Bad são, no geral, mais polidas do que as de Thriller e tiveram um orçamento de produção maior. As únicas demos mais polidas de Thriller são as que se encaixariam melhor em um lançamento comercial: Hot Street, Nite Line... e basicamente só. Todas as outras músicas são demos mais cruas ou nem sequer têm vocais completos. Aquelas que acabaram no álbum Thriller 40, incluindo "What A Lovely Way To Go" ou "The Toy", definitivamente não são músicas ruins, considerando todas as gravações dele daquelas sessões. O álbum Bad simplesmente tinha muito mais músicas gravadas e demos.

A demo de "The Girl Is Mine" não está disponível em nenhuma plataforma de streaming, e acho que esse é o principal motivo de ter sido deixada de fora. Por outro lado, eles adicionaram os remixes de 7" de "Thriller" e "Human Nature", além do Def Thrill Mix de "Thriller". Então, talvez eles simplesmente tenham se esquecido dela.

É, é apenas razoável, nada de extraordinário. Por algum motivo estranho, Karen escolheu uma fita cassete de Carousel em vez da original (e não é a primeira vez que ela pega uma fita aleatória da prateleira sem verificar o que é). Behind The Mask tem um erro de áudio do Logic Pro no início. Isso é simplesmente inaceitável.

É verdade, mas consertá-la não seria o caminho certo (viu o trocadilho? rsrs). A música está vocalmente completa e é uma ideia muito legal, então acho ótimo que esteja no álbum, principalmente porque provavelmente não haveria outra maneira de lançá-la. Mark Ronson não ficou nada satisfeito com o remix e é melhor lançá-la do que simplesmente mantê-la guardada. Principalmente porque não existem muitas gravações vocais tão completas daquela época que soem tão "avançadas", já que "Hot Street" e "Nite Line" foram guardadas para um lançamento comercial. O álbum do 40º aniversário sempre foi um produto para os fãs, não para o público casual.
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And remember that Michael, while alive, allowed "For All Time" to be released on Thriller 25 as an outtake from that time, even though it was recorded during the Dangerous era.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I would only say this was the case with Invincible. Dangerous and HIStory are masterclasses of genre blending and production. I will die on the hill that, so far as artistry and willingness to experiment is concerned, Quincy was holding MJ back. His ‘90s work is far more intriguing than anything before it, even if you could debate its quality.
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Totally agree. Even as far back as the Bad album, there were signs of that. Michael wanted to take some control over the production, even butting heads with Quincy at times about the Synclavier and all… Bad was when he started to show that perfectionist side of him the most, in attempt to beat the Thriller album.

But Quincy was more efficient in realising Michael’s ideas and bringing the whole project together with a vision. Michael wanted to experiment as he went along in the studio - different producers, technology etc. and sure enough he got to do that more after Bad.

Dangerous and HIStory were a good, diverse mix of songs, but the earlier albums had a clearer direction. And most of the material was sifted through before the recording, hence Thriller took as little as 3 months etc.
 
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In the biopic, it would be great if they addressed MJ's final years, his attempt to return to the music scene, the creative process of that time, and included some of the tracks he worked on between 2005 and 2009, even if they were unfinished ideas, just so we could appreciate the musical direction of that final period.
 
The-King said:
In the biopic, it would be great if they addressed MJ's final years, his attempt to return to the music scene, the creative process of that time, and included some of the tracks he worked on between 2005 and 2009, even if they were unfinished ideas, just so we could appreciate the musical direction of that final period.
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Sounds fun but it's not realistic. I also don't think Michael was self producing as much in his later years and relied on outside creators.
 
BlackAnon said:
Parece divertido, mas não é realista. Também não acho que Michael tenha produzido tanto por conta própria nos últimos anos e tenha dependido mais de criadores externos.
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BlackAnon said:
Sounds fun but it's not realistic. I also don't think Michael was self producing as much in his later years and relied on outside creators.
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I believe that MJ's work with NeffU is just sketches, very early projects, small fragments. Because I think if there was anything releaseable, he would have given it to the estate for the Michael Jackson album in 2010. I think Will.i.am would have most of the releaseable material, and RedOne said in an interview that he only has one track that could be released, but he would only release it for charity.
 
The-King said:
I believe that MJ's work with NeffU is just sketches, very early projects, small fragments. Because I think if there was anything releaseable, he would have given it to the estate for the Michael Jackson album in 2010. I think Will.i.am would have most of the releaseable material, and RedOne said in an interview that he only has one track that could be released, but he would only release it for charity.
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Will.i.am only has the music and Michael kept the files with his vocals. His estate isn't going to release anything if they can't have full control
 
Eventidescape1 said:
Dangerous and HIStory were a good, diverse mix of songs, but the earlier albums had a clearer direction. And most of the material was sifted through before the recording, hence Thriller took as little as 3 months etc.
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But even then, with the “cohesive” material, you could argue it starts to get the same after a while. People still only pick a few songs; rarely does everyone love all 10 on OTW or all 9 of Thriller. People still favor a ballad over one, or one up tempo over another. Some like Beat It a lot while others might lament it. I Can’t Help It gets appreciated more than something like Burn This Disco Out, etc.

People naturally do like diversity and everyone’s tastes are different. MJs albums tried more directly to play to that human nature, no Thriller.
 
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Eventidescape1 said:
Dangerous and HIStory were a good, diverse mix of songs, but the earlier albums had a clearer direction. And most of the material was sifted through before the recording, hence Thriller took as little as 3 months etc.
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I like this take because people forget when Quincy and Michael worked together, they sifted through material before the official session took place which is why we have little to no outtakes from OTW, Thriller and Bad. The songs were chosen before discarding everything else. Quincy knew what they should be focused on.
 
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BlackAnon said:
I like this take because people forget when Quincy and Michael worked together, they sifted through material before the official session took place which is why we have little to no outtakes from OTW, Thriller and Bad. The songs were chosen before discarding everything else. Quincy knew what they should be focused on.
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No outtakes from Bad?
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
No outtakes from Bad?
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Correct. The other songs we've heard were not outtakes as they were discarded during pre-production of the album which takes me back to Quincy bringing in the core records to work on and discarding everything else. They brought 12 songs to Westlake if you include Streetwalker, which is the only official outtake from that album
 
BlackAnon said:
Correct. The other songs we've heard were not outtakes as they were discarded during pre-production of the album which takes me back to Quincy bringing in the core records to work on and discarding everything else. They brought 12 songs to Westlake if you include Streetwalker, which is the only official outtake from that album
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By that logic there’s basically one outtake per album. Which might be true.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
By that logic there’s basically one outtake per album. Which might be true.
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Could be. As far as OTW, we don't have an early track list so we don't know what was worked on during the session outside of what appears on the album. For Thriller, our known outtakes are Hot Street, She's Trouble, Nite Line and Carousel as they were originally set to appear on the album before being discarded
 
Gredf RWW said:
Personally, I think "Neverland Landing" is one of those unreleased MJ songs that has everything for the state to release commercially in some posthumous project. It's a real shame that the state has wasted that opportunity.
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Agreed. It’s lyrically complete with no mumbles. Estate should try and work something out with Buz to get access to the songs they collaborated on before it becomes a missed opportunity
 
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