The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

It's one of the few songs where I think MJ "over sings". I like the song, but I prefer "Just Good Friends" by a good bit.

I see it like Michael was portraying himself in a manner of speaking, a rival portrayl. He’s Michael Jackson, and he’s Bad (Out Now)

I like it.

 

[threepea11]

I wonder if 'Changes' was based on 'Cheater' (same melody) and, if so, if it's verses would be sound somewhat similar

Changes was recorded before Cheater iirc. Changes was '86, Cheater was '87

 

[Fuzball]

Changes was recorded before Cheater iirc. Changes was '86, Cheater was '87

Cheater dates back to Soundcastle (1984). According to Bottrell.

 

[threepea11]

Cheater dates back to Soundcastle (1984). According to Bottrell.

Oh huh, so there are demos of Cheater we haven't heard? and wouldnt that make it a Victory track?

 

[Fuzball]

Oh huh, so there are demos of Cheater we haven't heard?

not necessarily; the released version could be the same

and wouldnt that make it a Victory track?

Michael was working on solo cuts alongside cuts for Victory

 

[Fuzball]

Cheater dates back to Soundcastle (1984). According to Bottrell.

Correction, 1984 or 1985. My bad.


I didn't say Cheater was considered for Victory.
It was a song done at Soundcastle (maybe) at the end of or after Victory sessions. I could look it up but not now.


I hear "Cheater" for the first time a month ago. I heard Greg. I remember one song done at Soundcastle with Greg and MJ. I remember John McClain there, I remember doing claps in my usual way.
I can hear my console, my studio, my mixing style in '85.
I can hear all that in the recording of Cheater.
I have no other song to place in those sessions.
I could be wrong.
But credits on unreleased songs are notoriously wrong also.


I heard Cheater again yesterday. Credits and dates on various sites do not match what I was thinking.
Sites say outtake from Westake/Quincy sessions for Bad.
I can not hear that. At all.
Somebody should reach out to Greg

 

[BlackAnon]

Streetwalker wasn’t discarded til atleast 2 weeks before the album released. It wasn’t discarded early

The configuration people see is when the songs were transferred on the tape. It was already decided it wasn’t going to be used way in advance. Brad said configurations of the album were being done to include SW because they were sequencing the album with whatever songs were available at the time

 

[Eventidescape1]

Cheater dates back to Soundcastle (1984). According to Bottrell.

Not exactly, though, considering the drum machine on it (the Linn 9000) came out in December 1984 from my research. And features on a lot of Bad demos made in 1985-86.
Assuming Michael did not have a prototype of that machine (and there is no evidence he did), it makes sense to say post-1984. Likewise with APOM.

It seems Cheater was not documented in Bottrell’s notes for the Bad sessions so he thinks it is from 1984 from his memory.

Perhaps an earlier version/idea came from the Victory sessions in 83/84. But the recording we have most certainly dates to the Bad sessions at Hayvenhurst in 85/86.